Dale Thomas.

[GreyWind]

I would much rather have Murphy playing for the dogs rather than Thomas any day of the week, I reckon he is a more complete package than Thomas and while both are/going to be great players I would prefer Murph in my side. Just my two cents.

 

[Team Mo']

Thomas is a gun player - no doubt. But he is the icing on the cake for a good side.

In the position Carlton were in (and still are) we needed some 'solid citizen' type players to build a team around liek Murphy. Thomas would be a waste of talent in the Carlton team at the moment.

Happy with our choice of Murphy at #1 - he will win a Brownlow one day.

perfect assumption of thomas...he is just a bit of glam thats looks good in a winning side...

murphy is still rising and shall only get better....

and i'm still happy we took him before thomas

 

[Magpie Mick]

Thomas is a gun player - no doubt. But he is the icing on the cake for a good side.

In the position Carlton were in (and still are) we needed some 'solid citizen' type players to build a team around liek Murphy. Thomas would be a waste of talent in the Carlton team at the moment.

Happy with our choice of Murphy at #1 - he will win a Brownlow one day.

Spot on! If Murphy played at Collingwood he would be an absolute gun. He has struggled at Carlton as he is tagged every week and it would be very difficult for any young player who has gone to carlton in the last few years as the team has been so poor.

If Thomas was drafted by Carlton I reckon he would have struggled also.

Having said that I am very happy that Thomas is a magpie!

 

[HBF]

Spot on! If Murphy played at Collingwood he would be an absolute gun. He has struggled at Carlton as he is tagged every week and it would be very difficult for any young player who has gone to carlton in the last few years as the team has been so poor.

If Thomas was drafted by Carlton I reckon he would have struggled also.

Having said that I am very happy that Thomas is a magpie!

And we are already seeing the benefits of him not being tagged by the oppositions best each week.

 

[Vampire013]

And we are already seeing the benefits of him not being tagged by the oppositions best each week.

Maybe true.

But..........

It still has not helped you win a game in more than 300 days

You can have Murphy and we'll keep Thomas.

Everyone Happy. Pointless argument.

The objective of a game of football is to WIN as a TEAM.

 

[RiCHii]

Maybe true.

But..........

It still has not helped you win a game in more than 300 days

You can have Murphy and we'll keep Thomas.

Everyone Happy. Pointless argument.

The objective of a game of football is to WIN as a TEAM.

Havent won a game in 300 days, but when we beat you scum it will be all the more sweeter.

PS: Sorry to the Collingwood supporters who have shown no biased in this thread, this guy just took it too far, troll.

 

[LeisureSuitLori]

Both future champions for their respective clubs.

Thomas adds that gloss and flair that was needed at our club, while Murphy gives Carlton that 'in and under' type that was greatly lacking in their line up.
Both clubs would be extremely satisfied.

 

[blues4flag]

Both future champions for their respective clubs.

Thomas adds that gloss and flair that was needed at our club, while Murphy gives Carlton that 'in and under' type that was greatly lacking in their line up.
Both clubs would be extremely satisfied.

Exactly. Both highly talented with big futures ahead of them (though Murph with the bigger future )

 

[Lazyboy]

Plodding midfielders are a dime a dozen.

Match winning freaks are not.

Cannot wait for need weekend, hopfully MM has a sense of humor and puts Thommo on Murphy lol.

 

[Bomba Sheldon]

Its a lot easier to hang out and be fed the ball in a top side than it is to be in a bottom side. Rest assure Murph is a gun and will become a blue chip player in a few years time.

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

So if this is the case, why doesn't DT spend time in the midfield? .

Because he is more value as a HFF, where he is a polished finisher. He'll be pushed into the midfield when he does some more preseasons, gets a bigger tank aerobically.

You can't deny 2 things, if there was such a massive gap b/w Murphy & Thomas, 1) Murphy would be averaging more than 3 disposals per game than a HFF'r & 2) Dale Thomas has influenced more games via his own play than Murphy (he won us the Swans & St. Kilda games in 07).

 

[BluesRules]

Plodding midfielders are a dime a dozen.

Match winning freaks are not.

Cannot wait for need weekend, hopfully MM has a sense of humor and puts Thommo on Murphy lol.

Don't get me wrong, Thomas is a good player. But, kicking a few hero goals when your 8 goals up isn't a match winning effort. I would have prefered to see him kick the goal in the last term against Brisbane last week. The Pies needed a goal to win the game, he was directly in front and he missed.

It's easy being a hero when you're ten goals up.

 

[Frederlick]

Don't get me wrong, Thomas is a good player. But, kicking a few hero goals when your 8 goals up isn't a match winning effort. I would have prefered to see him kick the goal in the last term against Brisbane last week. The Pies needed a goal to win the game, he was directly in front and he missed.

It's easy being a hero when you're ten goals up.[/quote]
Well Murphy is safe playing at Carlton then.

 

[OniAu]

should i even dare

pendlebury vs murphy would be a good comparison also.

i think both clubs did well out of that draft. kennedy would have improved more this season. but to get judd u have to give up some quality, thats the only reason hes gone.

murphy thomas pendlebury is that or will that be as big as the judd hodge ball draft?

judds an out and out superstar, but i think the murphy thomas pendlebury draft has some big name players for years to come

 

[hellfire]

There's a lot of crap in this thread about Thomas being "the icing on the cake" etc. He is no frontrunner, regardless of what you guys say or think. That is a fact. "All we want is facts, facts, facts!" As Dickens put it. (God I hate reading his crap).

Thomas gets the hard ball more than the majority of our players. Yes, he does the flashy things. He backs himself and takes on his opponent more often that not, and beats them more often that not. He can do the miraculous, and he is a brilliant overhead mark. However, this seems to overshadow the hard work that he does, and creates the apparent unanimous perception among Carlton fans that he is soft. He camed 4th at the club for hard ball gets, even above Shane Obree, in 2007. He just never stops trying and chasing, always puts his body on the line, and does the team things. Throw that all on top of his flashy runs, and moments of sheer brilliance... and you have a package that is going to LEAD us to future success, not shine FROM it.

In saying that, Murphy is a star, and will be one of the elite midfielders in coming years. I can't really split them at this stage, and only time will be able to. Would be happy with either of them.

 

[hellfire]

should i even dare

pendlebury vs murphy would be a good comparison also.

i think both clubs did well out of that draft. kennedy would have improved more this season. but to get judd u have to give up some quality, thats the only reason hes gone.

murphy thomas pendlebury is that or will that be as big as the judd hodge ball draft?

judds an out and out superstar, but i think the murphy thomas pendlebury draft has some big name players for years to come

The way Pendlebury is playing at the moment... it's not contest. He is having a shocking start to the year! Though his 2007 was better.

 

[hellfire]

Don't get me wrong, Thomas is a good player. But, kicking a few hero goals when your 8 goals up isn't a match winning effort. I would have prefered to see him kick the goal in the last term against Brisbane last week. The Pies needed a goal to win the game, he was directly in front and he missed.

It's easy being a hero when you're ten goals up.

I'll give you a couple of examples:

vs. St.Kilda last year. He kicked the winning goal twice. The game was on the line in the last quarter, 2 points in it (from memory??), and he kicked what would've been the goal of the year if he was one inch further inside the line. Then, he takes a mark a few moments later, and kicks the winner from 50m out in the wet. He won us that game, and he got 3 brownlow votes.

vs. West Coast in the semi final. He put us in front with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. He kicked the last goal of regular time. But WC kicked a point or two, and it went into extra time, where Thomas shined, and his run and carry, helped get us over the line.

He is a big game, high-pressure player. His miss last week was very uncharacteristic.

 

[Ari]

Thomas is good, bloody good.

Was at the match yesterday and everything he seems to tough turns to gold. Anyone who doesn't want him in their team needs their head checked.

 

[Krueger]

Thomas is still a ways behind Murphy..you pies ferals tend to overrate EVERY player on your list .

Lol. That has to be the funniest thing I've heard in a long, long time. We overate our players??? LMFAO!

 

[thylacine60]

Lol. That has to be the funniest thing I've heard in a long, long time. We overate our players??? LMFAO!

Not too many jokes when you're on permanent remand I guess.

 

[Beloved]

All I am going to say is you shot yourself with that part of your post.

Why is that?

Okay, fine, if you call dancing around like an attention seeking show pony (Thomas) is magic, be my guest. I'd much rather prefer to see a no-nonsense midfielder who is more determined to do what he has to do thank you very much.

 

[Silvagnis]

Thomas is good, bloody good.

Was at the match yesterday and everything he seems to tough turns to gold. Anyone who doesn't want him in their team needs their head checked.

We wouldn't want Thomas in our team ahead of Murphy.

A player who can run forward, stop and prop between Dal Santo and Hudghton as if in slow motion and squeeze a kick across his body to Hampson 30 out is a class above anyone taken in that draft. Fletcher had Murphy cold on Saturday night, but Murphy still got the ball off to Hadley and helped set up Stevens for a great goal on the run.

Thomas has won games off his own boot.

Ryder will be better than Thomas and Pendlebury and has more upside, but you won't ever see Collingwood fans admit that.

 

[augie]

Murphy was rated the absolute standout of that draft and was always going to be number 1. Had Collingwood gained pick 1 we would have taken him. He would have slotted nicely into our team and would be a better player than he is now.

Having said that there would be very few Pies fans who would swap now. He is a special footballer who is getting better and better.

 

[swiftdog]

We wouldn't want Thomas in our team ahead of Murphy.

A player who can run forward, stop and prop between Dal Santo and Hudghton as if in slow motion and squeeze a kick across his body to Hampson 30 out is a class above anyone taken in that draft. Fletcher had Murphy cold on Saturday night, but Murphy still got the ball off to Hadley and helped set up Stevens for a great goal on the run.

Thomas has won games off his own boot.

Ryder will be better than Thomas and Pendlebury and has more upside, but you won't ever see Collingwood fans admit that.

St Kilda last year Thomas won the game off his own boot.

 

[HBF]

That Murphy's statistics as a midfielder aren't particulary superior to Thomas, who in your words is a HFF, who spends quite a lot of time out of the midfield. A lot of Carlton fans use the excuse, Murphy has the number 1 tag when defending him, on the contray, if DT played more time in the midfield he would be getting numbers superior to Murphy.
Another common misconception is DT is cream on the cake, he is doing well because he plays for a premiership contender. It's a lot harder to gets kicks on a HFF line than in the middle, where Murphy spends the majority of his game.

I'm not going to expect you to favor Thomas but most neutrals would.

Because he is more value as a HFF, where he is a polished finisher. He'll be pushed into the midfield when he does some more preseasons, gets a bigger tank aerobically.

You can't deny 2 things, if there was such a massive gap b/w Murphy & Thomas, 1) Murphy would be averaging more than 3 disposals per game than a HFF'r & 2) Dale Thomas has influenced more games via his own play than Murphy (he won us the Swans & St. Kilda games in 07).

Mate, you can't have both ways. You are saying that he plays HF because he is a good finisher, which I would agree with. Yet, you are also saying that if he played in the midfield, he would get superior numbers to Murphy.

Now, if it was me, and I was guaranteed that one of my players would average around 20 touches per game, I know where i'd want him. Certainly not stuck out on a HFF, that's for sure.