Dan24's proposal in a parallel universe

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Imagine if the situation was reversed and we had been using Dan24’s format for 100 years? Here is what I think would happen...

For 100 years, the team which finishes on top of the ladder has been awarded the premiership, while the Grand Final is still a magnificent event in its own right because it is the last match of the season. For 100 years, we have had Premiers and Grand Final champions in every season. It is accepted in football culture and everyone loves it.

Then, on the BigFooty message boards, a person called Nad42 proposes a new system whereby the premier team which has finished on top of the ladder after the season is given no recognition, but has merely qualified first for a finals series upon which the entire season hinges. And there is more. Nad42 also declares that the three-week knockout competition to determine the Grand Final champion should be scrapped, in favour of a four-week season-defining series with a fair and logical double chance situation where the best team can rightly have its achievements rendered meaningless by a single upset.

Nad42 says this is unquestionably the fairest system. You are stupid to think otherwise and the people will accept whatever is given recognition to, Nad continues.

Well, how the people cry out against this upstart Nad42 and his ridiculous proposal! What an arrogant fool you are, Nad42! Who would accept a blatantly unfair system like that? Don’t you see the best team isn’t rewarded and that it is wrong to make our already prestigious knockout series mean everything? We will never accept that. You have to finish top to be the best. It’s what every team strives for.

But Nad42 is firm in his belief. I know how it IS, but I’m telling you how it SHOULD be, he says. The true definition of premiers is Grand Final champions. If they were REALLY the best team, they would win the Grand Final at the end of my four-week finals series. Remember the top team is still rewarded with a double chance, just like in the Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia Football League. So what if they “proved” they were better by winning 95% of the season? Uncertainty is what the people want. Who wouldn’t want that? Coaches acknowledge that the best team doesn’t always finish top and that winning the Grand Final is the harder achievement. The top team should only be called “minor premier” and receive no recognition unless they win in the finals when the season is on the line.

But we already have a separate finals series, the people say. It is an exciting three-week knockout competition that rewards a great team without overriding the Premier’s achievements.

But how can they call themselves premiers, argues Nad42. All they did was finish top. For all intents and purposes the finals are a continuation of the home-and-away season anyway. It would be a joke to call this team “premiers” if they were to lose a one-off match to a team that was thrashed in the first week of the finals. Remember that the top four get a double chance (as they do in the Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia Football League, which the people have accepted for 100 years). If they aren’t good enough to perform when it counts then they don’t deserve to be premiers.

Ah, but Nad, they reply. You are only saying that because Essendon won the Grand Final while Carlton were crowned Premiers for finishing top! Be content with your prestigious Grand Final title.

No, Nad42 asserts. I would be saying this anyway. It doesn’t matter that Carlscum happened to finish top (which means they get a double chance under my system, remember, just like they do in the FYROM Football League). Grand Final champions are the best and should be duly rewarded. This is the logical way. Trust me.

Nad42 extensively argues this point of view in one thread and then never mentions it again.
 
I think this is the greatest pice of writing I have ever read, Daniel.

A+

After all this time, ironically it might be you (as opposed to me) who gets the others seeing the "right" way.
 
Daniel
Why does everyone keep bringing up the topic. We'll all never agree & we just keep going around & around in circles.
Jeeeeez.

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Interestingly such a parallel universe exists - English soccer. There was a time when the winners of the H&A championship in the lower divisions were automatically promoted to the division above and the wooden spooners of the higher division relegated. The soccer authorities abandoned this for a play-off (finals) series to determine promotion/relegation.

Minor point as well re your analogy - the FA Cup and the English League are run by completely different bodies. A truer analogy would be if the AFL had a H&A style champion and the SANFL had been running in parallel a hundred year old knockout competition involving every senior club in the country. Yes, the two would be separately celebrated and yes, amalgamating them to give a finals series championship for the AFL would make no sense. However, this is not the case in Australia.
 
Me am thinking this be bad thing for ballfoot.

So agree do I that should be how done it is.

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Tim,

I think you are getting mixed up by promotion/relegation issue in England. There is a playoff series, however, this is contested between teams in third to sixth positions on the league table. The top two teams qualify automatically.

The playoff system was brought in so sides in mid-table could get promoted to a higher division.

For example, last season Charlton won the 1st division and got promoted to the premier league along with Manchester City who finished second. Ipswitch Town won the playoff system.
 
I must admit I've lost track of it in recent years but there was certainly a time when the top three and the bottom one were in the play-offs. I seem to remember Man City missing out despite coming first? But regardless of who is in the play-offs, someone has now been forced to win the play-offs rather than automatically being promoted - say the third team.
 
I think the 3rd, 4th,5th and 6th teams play in a semi-final knockout series, and the winner gets to be the 3rd team promoted (joining 1 and 2 who get promoted automatically)
 
Please Dan, we know you feel strongly about this, however, it is unlikely that the finals series will be eliminated and made a seperate tournament.

No-one (including yourself) has mentioned anything about this for about a month, so please dont re-ignite it because it is as boring as Roo Boy 96 going on about how crap Essendon is.
 

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The finals series is by default a "seperate tournament".

All I keep hearing from fans, coaches and commentators in finals time is "finals are a whole diffenent ball game. What you done in the regurlar season doesn't mean nothing"

So what does winning the grand final got to do with the Home & away season? Anyway that's the way I see it.
 
Good point "The ball"

It's basically a separtate tournament NOW. It's just not officially recognised that way. So, let's "officially" make it a separate tournament to the H&A, which can be won in it's own right!

[This message has been edited by Dan24 (edited 18 March 2001).]
 

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