Dangerfield + Kerridge + 53 = Milera + Menzel + Gore - Discuss

[SaltPeter]

Anyone remember how well Dangerfield performed vs Richmond in the 2017 final series. Sure he got plenty of the ball, but at DE% of 45. I remember feeling slightly embarrassed for him he was that s**t

 

[Mego Red]

Of course Geelong would have traded two first round picks if we asked, he was the best ******* player in the competition!

Noble s**t himself and we got reamed

Why would they have done that?

They would have just not re-signed Enright and Bartel, and absolutely blown us away with what they could offer Dangerfield as a free agent.

They would have lost a couple of club stalwarts and had to deal with the fallout of that and losing their salary structures for their best players (Selwood would be shitty) - but they also would have kept their picks to make their other trades, and they could have painted us as the villain.

They had WAY more higher paid players coming out of contract than we did. This was very plausible.

 

[Mego Red]

When the Crows stated they would ask for the best deal possible for Danger, then literally had the deal done in the first 5 mins of trade week, for well unders, I was very surprised. Thought the club would have held out all trade week if the trade wasnt fair, threatening to match the deal. We s**t ourselves for some reason, and jumped at the first offer.... First trade made that week I think?
Danger himself even stated he wanted the Crows to get fair compensation.

They had been negotiating for three months. What would another week have meant?

 

[1970crow]

Why would they have done that?

They would have just not re-signed Enright and Bartel, and absolutely blown us away with what they could offer Dangerfield as a free agent.

They would have lost a couple of club stalwarts and had to deal with the fallout of that and losing their salary structures for their best players (Selwood would be shitty) - but they also would have kept their picks to make their other trades, and they could have painted us as the villain.

They had WAY more higher paid players coming out of contract than we did. This was very plausible.

Exactly, they were never going to do that.

 

[rocket18]

These threads are ridiculous, it was a s**t deal.

We dont need to wait and see how Milera turns out, we got massive unders for Danger.

Think of the Burgoyne trace, Port got two first rounders, just because they are s**t at talent ID (Butcher & Shittard) doesn't mean it wasnt a good trade. Fyfe went at 20 odd, Port picked Moore before Fyfe went as well.

If they had picked Fyfe they would be "oh we won that trade". No, you won it at the time, just because you picked 3 spuds doesnt mean you lost the trade, it means you ****ed up the proceeds.

If Milera wins 3 Brownlows it still doesn't matter WE LOST THE TRADE.

 

[Elite Crow]

Why would they have done that?

They would have just not re-signed Enright and Bartel, and absolutely blown us away with what they could offer Dangerfield as a free agent.

They would have lost a couple of club stalwarts and had to deal with the fallout of that and losing their salary structures for their best players (Selwood would be shitty) - but they also would have kept their picks to make their other trades, and they could have painted us as the villain.

They had WAY more higher paid players coming out of contract than we did. This was very plausible.

How much do you think we paid Menzel? We could easily have upped our offer to match them, they wouldn’t have gone to ridiculous money for Danger and that’s the only way we could have been blown away

 

[Southerntakeover]

Also, if we made them pay ridiculous money: good. Why are we considering allowing them to keep important players a net benefit?

Enright in particular killed us when we played that year. You know, when we missed top 2 by a game.

 

[Elite Crow]

Also, if we made them pay ridiculous money: good. Why are we considering allowing them to keep important players a net benefit?

Enright in particular killed us when we played that year. You know, when we missed top 2 by a game.

I can’t believe the line we used was “we couldn’t get next years 1st as they needed that for Henderson”

It wasn’t Geelong would have blown us out of the water, it was because they also wanted to recruit another player. * me drunk, what a pissweak excuse that was.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I think it's ultimately irrelevant, but is it outside the realm of possibility that Milera would have lasted to our natural pick in any event?

Given that we likely over drafted Doedee (in terms of where he might have gone on the night, not where he would go now), it's conceivable that we didnt gain anything from the trade at all.

 

[GROTTO]

I can’t believe the line we used was “we couldn’t get next years 1st as they needed that for Henderson”

It wasn’t Geelong would have blown us out of the water, it was because they also wanted to recruit another player. **** me drunk, what a pissweak excuse that was.

Given we were talking to the Cats three months prior, it was a very poor job by the AFC to not have drawn a line in the sand and only accepted 2 1sts for Danger.

 

[Sanders]

They tried to make me go to rehab
I said, no, no, no


Anyway, you can **** off D\H, you're only a week late to this party

Oooooh look at you all butch and commanding.

 

[SaltPeter]

Oooooh look at you all butch and commanding.

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Aaaaaw .. thank you Wane ..

 

[Elite Crow]

They traded because it suited them and because we matched so they had to. That and they knew we'd be more keen to take on the trade than the compensation pick. We got more value than we would have, they got Dangerfield for cheaper contract than they would have.

I've been patient enough with you. You're trying to act all clever and intelligent but its clear you aren't because you cant understand simple concepts.

Also out of contract and free agent are not the same thing. Kelly had no option to move for free at all.

You know how I said given how foolish you are made to look, that you shouldn't throw insults? Well this is a classic example.

Lets look at your first line:

"They traded because it suited them and because we matched so they had to. That and they knew we'd be more keen to take on the trade than the compensation pick."

So it was a trade.

Why did it suit them?

We did not match, it was a trade.

Why would Geelong care about us being more keen to trade than receiving a compensation pick?

Geelong traded because they were afraid we would match, that's the only reason they did it. The fact it was a trade meant normal trading rules applied and we accepted unders.

Danger couldn't move for free as he was a restricted free agent.

Pretty basic stuff really, why are you struggling with it?

 

[Elite Crow]

"its as good as its going to get" he says on this trade (someone who isnt a free agent)
But on a guy who was a free-agent we got "bent over".

Wow your mental gymnastics and levels of hypocrisy are impressive.

Do you understand what a restricted free agent is? Because you keep missing that word and the impact it has.

 

[DangerSloane]

You know how I said given how foolish you are made to look, that you shouldn't throw insults? Well this is a classic example.

Lets look at your first line:

"They traded because it suited them and because we matched so they had to. That and they knew we'd be more keen to take on the trade than the compensation pick."

So it was a trade.

Why did it suit them?

We did not match, it was a trade.

Why would Geelong care about us being more keen to trade than receiving a compensation pick?

Geelong traded because they were afraid we would match, that's the only reason they did it. The fact it was a trade meant normal trading rules applied and we accepted unders.

Danger couldn't move for free as he was a restricted free agent.

Pretty basic stuff really, why are you struggling with it?

It was ONLY a trade AFTER we matched their contract offer for Dangerfield.
If we don't match he goes for free as essentially an unrestricted free agent.
It never becomes a trade if they offer him more money/we don't match.

So you're already lost by the time you get to here. Your whole argument has fallen down before its started.

The reason they wanted to trade is becuase he was willing to accept a lower contract, therefore we were always going to match at that low number.
So to get him for the lower contract price, they had to accept that we would match and then trade for him.

WE DID MATCH OTHERWISE THERE IS NO TRADE

 

[DangerSloane]

What twisted logic that is. So if someone wasn't happy with what we got for Dangerfield, then they automatically have to be unhappy with what we get for any OOC player in the future despite the players having different values?

Getting pick 13 in any deal for Keath is a win, but what we got for Dangerfield was not a win.

No.
Someone that is unhappy with what we got for Dangerfield doesnt understand the free agency rules, simply.

We got what they offered or a compo pick.
We were in zero position to negotiate.

Dangerfield was a free agent, not simply out of contract.
When someone is OOC the team holds a lot more cards than a free agent (even if they're restricted)

How can you people not understand this? Honestly an 8 year old could get this.

 

[Thetrader15]

It was ONLY a trade AFTER we matched their contract offer for Dangerfield.
If we don't match he goes for free as essentially an unrestricted free agent.
It never becomes a trade if they offer him more money/we don't match.

So you're already lost by the time you get to here. Your whole argument has fallen down before its started.

The reason they wanted to trade is becuase he was willing to accept a lower contract, therefore we were always going to match at that low number.
So to get him for the lower contract price, they had to accept that we would match and then trade for him.

WE DID MATCH OTHERWISE THERE IS NO TRADE

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allegedly we discussed with Geelong and said we will match, so Geelong didn't even offer and we went straight to the trade discussions (obviously Noble said just give us something better than the compo and we will take it )

 

[70lethal]

Someone that is unhappy with what we got for Dangerfield doesnt understand the free agency rules, simply.
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Your completely wrong.
We said we would match but didn't have to. Geelong entered into a trade that suited them and we being weak as pissed agreed.
We got shafted end of story.

 

[BrissyCrow]

They didnt get around the system with Dangerfield.
They actually gave us more than they had to, so they could sign him for less money.

They didnt have to give us anything at all.

You believe that. The other option would have been to put Danger through the PSD and he wouldn't have got through to the Cats pick. We still got screwed.

 

[Elite Crow]

It was ONLY a trade AFTER we matched their contract offer for Dangerfield.
If we don't match he goes for free as essentially an unrestricted free agent.
It never becomes a trade if they offer him more money/we don't match.

So you're already lost by the time you get to here. Your whole argument has fallen down before its started.

The reason they wanted to trade is becuase he was willing to accept a lower contract, therefore we were always going to match at that low number.
So to get him for the lower contract price, they had to accept that we would match and then trade for him.

WE DID MATCH OTHERWISE THERE IS NO TRADE

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WOW. Its clear I should now go easy on you.

If we matched their contract offer to Danger, he becomes like any other player and a trade needs to occur. Thats why Geelong went down the trade path and didnt try to claim him as a free agent.

They obviously did not want to offer Danger more money, hence why they traded. So that argument is moot. Not only that, they must have believed even if they offered more money we would have matched, again forcing them into a trade.

Anyway, this is the past and we are polluting this thread. Its clear you don't get it, so I will move on and leave others to shake their head at your ignorance.

 

[DangerSloane]

Someone that is unhappy with what we got for Dangerfield doesnt understand the free agency rules, simply.

Your completely wrong.
We said we would match but didn't have to. Geelong entered into a trade that suited them and we being weak as pi**ed agreed.
We got shafted end of story.
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Doesnt change the fact that we either take the trade or we take the FA compo.

Where is your other option?

 

[GetInMyVanBerlo]

No.
Someone that is unhappy with what we got for Dangerfield doesnt understand the free agency rules, simply.

We got what they offered or a compo pick.
We were in zero position to negotiate.

We were never going to get the compo pick because, as you said earlier, we matched/were going to match and Geelong weren't going to offer a bigger contract, so it should've been treated as Geelong trading for an OOC player, no different to Keath now.

 

[DangerSloane]

You believe that. The other option would have been to put Danger through the PSD and he wouldn't have got through to the Cats pick. We still got screwed.

And what do we get in that case?
Nothing. Not even FA compo

 

[DangerSloane]

WOW. Its clear I should now go easy on you.

If we matched their contract offer to Danger, he becomes like any other player and a trade needs to occur. Thats why Geelong went down the trade path and didnt try to claim him as a free agent.

They obviously did not want to offer Danger more money, hence why they traded. So that argument is moot. Not only that, they must have believed even if they offered more money we would have matched, again forcing them into a trade.

Anyway, this is the past and we are polluting this thread. Its clear you don't get it, so I will move on and leave others to shake their head at your ignorance.

It actually doesnt matter if we match or not, there is no way we get any more than Geelong are willing to offer.
Not in any world.

We held zero cards.

The options were:
1. We trade for what we get.
2. FA Compo
3. Preseason Draft

Would you have preferred us to hold fast and let him leave for free and get only FA compo?
What did you actually want the club to do? There was no option.

 

[DangerSloane]

Have I missed something? Are we trying to trade with Geelong to get Dangerfield back or have I stumbled into a thread from 2015?

Youve stumbled into people 3 years on that still dont realise we couldnt have actually got any more for P.D. than what we did.