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Nup 100% Mardi, Danger quite clearly no longer makes the decisions
Look - clearly Mardi has been a strong consideration in this process. But I consider it extremely disrespectful - and also removes his accountability which I DO NOT like - to to talk about it in this way.
 

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It would be the same as saying "hey, if you come to us we might give your partner a job wink,nudge"

It isn't enforceable, and it isn't happening until after the contract is signed, but it is still illegal.
Pretty sure there are rules around this that can be enforced?
 
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That's not reverting to fair value, that's paying overs to price others out and then paying unders to bring the total over the 4 years to a fair value.

Nobody is being fooled by that. Saying, "We made the deal after" is an excuse nobody is buying in that situation.
which is draft tampering of the player is picked up from the draft
 

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Pretty sure there are rules around this that can be enforced?
It's the rules around having outside agreements. Everything needs to go in the contract submitted to the AFL.

We went down because they had evidence of the side deal in the form of an email. That's not the only evidence they can use though, it isn't a criminal court. If there's a huge drop in salary after an initial 2 year mega deal all signs point to it being dodgy.
 

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Being screwed? Being screwed?

How about this? We lost the best player of the last twenty years (Gary Ablett jnr) by an AFL plot to strengthen GC by allowing GCS such a big salary cap that, to match, we would have to pay our whole cap just on Ablett alone.

At least the AFL haven't directly intervened in making sure that a player of yours ends up at a club by engineering a situation where two new clubs can price anyone out of a bidding war.
You got 2 firsts. Already had flags etc
 

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Needs to be declared

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-warns-clubs-on-shady-deals-20150916-gjoao5.html

As are doing dodgy deals outside of the compo, all in the article, it will be played with a straight bat. Ironic thing about the article Dangerfield is pictured as if big brother want be watching!
That's my point really. IF there is an enforaceable agreement made - it needs to be declared. But if no such contract exists, of cours eyou can do it. This is where the player is at risk. They get a career ending injury and they can't come back and ask for that extension or money that was discussed - because there is no enforceable agreement as such things have to be declared.

Saying, look - if you're still going great guns I reckon we'll probably come to terms at the end of two years is nothing that needs declaring.
 

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That's my point really. IF there is an enforaceable agreement made - it needs to be declared. But if no such contract exists, of cours eyou can do it. This is where the player is at risk. They get a career ending injury and they can't come back and ask for that extension or money that was discussed - because there is no enforceable agreement as such things have to be declared.

Saying, look - if you're still going great guns I reckon we'll probably come to terms at the end of two years is nothing that needs declaring.
Only the contents of the official AFL contract are ever enforceable. Outside deals, either in other contracts, verbal, emailed or winked are all illegal as the players and clubs agree to that with their registration.
 

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So, you would have no problem with a deal where the club wins, but the AFC screw Geelong and Danger, then?

Do you want to see a win-win-win situation here, or one where AFC win, and everyone else loses?
I don't see that it's any different to your mob (supporters )...on your board what percentage of people are saying they would like the AFC adequately compensated for danger ???

I'd predict zilch

Thankfully I think your clubs tradings history is a little more pragmatic than your supporters attitudes

I'd expect the crows would ask for 2 first round draft picks and a player eg murdoch, gregson or kolidashnij and then geelong will say no that's too much but you can have the 2 first round draft picks and the deal will be done there and then

That's presuming you don't blow us out of the water with a 6 year $1.2 million deal that we struggle to match (although we may be able to )

So it's clear that if you want danger enough you will either fork out a big offer for him or a couple of 1st round draft picks

If fyfe came knocking at AFC today and we paid with it with 2 first round draft picks I probably wouldn't work for a week in celebration

So in summary you guys win the deal despite losing 2 first round draft picks so stop acting like f####### sooks while meanwhile accusing us of being the whingers.

Danger wants to play for geelong, I get it , make it
happen
 

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It's the rules around having outside agreements. Everything needs to go in the contract submitted to the AFL.

We went down because they had evidence of the side deal in the form of an email. That's not the only evidence they can use though, it isn't a criminal court. If there's a huge drop in salary after an initial 2 year mega deal all signs point to it being dodgy.
That does not mean there is an enforceable contract agreed to though.

I keep referring to the player getting injured as I think that's a good way to think about it.

If the player was injured would they be able to claim that extra period of time as money they are due? (even if it is at a reduced rate).
Or alternatively - would the club be able to ask them to continue playing or could they go elsewhere at the end of the 2 years...

They are the risks both player and club have to consider when they have a nice chat about 'possibilities' that don't end up as as contract. It's a big risk.
 

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Only the contents of the official AFL contract are ever enforceable. Outside deals, either in other contracts, verbal, emailed or winked are all illegal as the players and clubs agree to that with their registration.
Gotcha.

Going to be hard to argue something was in place then isn't it ;)
 

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That does not mean there is an enforceable contract agreed to though.

I keep referring to the player getting injured as I think that's a good way to think about it.

If the player was injured would they be able to claim that extra period of time as money they are due? (even if it is at a reduced rate).
Or alternatively - would the club be able to ask them to continue playing or could they go elsewhere at the end of the 2 years...

They are the risks both player and club have to consider when they have a nice chat about 'possibilities' that don't end up as as contract. It's a big risk.
What I'm saying is that enforceability is irrelevant.

It isn't only illegal if it is enforceable.
 

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If the rumors are true, that trade has already been agreed, it's possible that we won't be the first team to match a free agency offer. They might just skip free agency and wait until the first day of trade.
 

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Fairness would be the 2 1st and a player worth a 2nd round pick.

We should start our claim with 2 1st and Motlop, and then we either drop a 1st or Motlop for Murdoch.

There are plenty of clubs sniffing around who I'm sure could offer Danger a lot more $$$ than Geelong which will easily pay for his fuel costs travelling in to Melbourne, or for rent at a cushy townhouse near training so he doesn't have to commute every day.

Unfortunately if Danger went this way fearing the Crows and Cats are at an impasse then he could accept RFA offer from another club which we can't match. As long as we are confident we can match any deals and Danger def won't stay here then we are in the box seat. Honestly we should get a decent steak knife on top of the 1sts.
 

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I would take their 2015 and 16 first round picks. Except that if they get him, the 2016 pick could be #18 :(
Doubtful 18 but yes Geelong quite possibly could have 1 last spike with this list + Danger before dropping down. So could be around pick 15.

9 + 15 for the 2nd best player in the competition…pathetic.
 

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This years and next years is way unders... need a decent player on top. Make them make it happen. They will lose so much face if it doesnt. Id be pissed if the afc just took 2 crappy picks.
Spot on! Look at the AFL weighting on draft picks…pick 9 is nowhere near as valuable as the pick 3 that the Eagles got in the Judd deal! And we aren't getting a Kennedy either at this stage.

If we only get 2 first rounders they should both be in single figures.
 
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