Oppo Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

[jenny61_99]

They did it for the club not for Dangerfield though. I would love for Danger to stay but guilt is not the right reason.

Not trying to guilt him. Just making the comment that people are far more invested in the club than just casual hobbyists. Not sure Paddy understands that without the fans, they don't have anything. Treat them with contempt and they'll vote with their wallets.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I posted this in the Geelong thread ... with some tweaking from the discussions since ... use the "Value Index" that they will use for father/son and academy players for Free Agents.

A simple formula that uses age / games played / contract value / etc ... to put a point value on a player - then give a 20% discount for Free agents. Make the following year's picks the same as this year's picks (ie first round pick this year is the same value as the first round pick next year). Teams have to use the lowest available picks from the next two years first.

I don't think subjective things like AA or Brownlow medals or team stuff like Premierships should be included in the formula.

This will give a base that the receiving club has to pay for a player - and that "payment" should go to the club that is losing the player.

The two clubs can trade players instead of picks - but the base compensation is determined by the points - as would be reverted to if a trade could not satisfy the club losing the player.

What the new team is paying the FA or what length contract they are on is not relevant.

For instance:

• PD is valued at 4000 points
• Geelong want him - so with the 20% FA discount - they need to come up with 3600 points
• The base payment would be - 2015 Pick 9 (1469) + 1st Round 2016 (1469) + 2015 Pick 27 (703) = 3641 points
• Adelaide can say immediately they do not want to trade, and Geelong must hand over those picks immediately BEFORE the normal Trade Period begins
• OR Adelaide agree to trade with Geelong = 2015 Pick 9 (1469) + 2nd Round 2016 (703) + Corey Gregson

Would that work?

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Good idea. I would be happy if rookie contracts were for 3 years, then restricted free agency under your system with the discount starting at 15% for a fourth year player and increasing by 5% per year until 10 years service where it's unrestricted. So by year 10, instead of being a 50% discount, it's no trade required.

Of course it is hard to value the starting value of a player. Perhaps need to base ia formula off the average annual value of the contract they are offered by their current club. Doing it this way ensures the current club is putting their best offer forward in the first place.

 

[Wood_Duck]

That's a smaller summary than many ES's I've read

I gave my PA the weekend off though.

 

[TrainRoo32]

No not trolling. Just thought about the effort of all those that drove/flew to Melbourne three weeks in a row. And those that travel for every away game. Mighty effort.

Why, thank you..... I'm still broke though lol!
I just honestly believe that sport teams, matter a lot to there supporters!
I just reckon it's an irrational feeling that probably feeds on the feelings of belonging to something........

 

[Bovo]

Not trying to guilt him. Just making the comment that people are far more invested in the club than just casual hobbyists. Not sure Paddy understands that without the fans, they don't have anything. Treat them with contempt and they'll vote with their wallets.

No we won't. It is possible we could do it, however it would take one hell of a revolution for every fan to use their wallet as leverage. Although it is our hard earned money that makes the club, a couple of members would be nothing in the scheme of things. 30%++ now that would make a club stand and listen. As Geelong are going to be paying his salary, I would guess their fans would be a bit "meh" about it....as it was addressed specifically to us......

I hated how he said that though. It was flippant and takes away the importance of the club to us.

 

[ams4crows]

Hypothetical.

Would it be wrong for a club to get a player into university? To pay for their tuition and tutoring along the way?

My Cousin played for North Melbourne and they paid for his Pilot training so he could do crop dusting and even though he's been delisted now North are still paying for the rest of the training to become a commercial pilot. Something along the lines of he was so unlucky with injuries he got in which he couldn't control (eg Shoulder reconstruction from an opposition tackle, metal plates in his face from an opposition Spoil gone wrong, broken Collarbone from trying to take a hanger and being 'tunnelled' they felt bad cos he should of made it. If I'm being honest the Sub rule ruined his career.

 

[SugarShane]

Not trying to guilt him. Just making the comment that people are far more invested in the club than just casual hobbyists. Not sure Paddy understands that without the fans, they don't have anything. Treat them with contempt and they'll vote with their wallets.

Spot on. It may just be a "hobby" for us, but if we didn't pay memberships, buy merchandise and tickets for this hobby, he wouldn't have a job.

 

[1990crow]

Spot on. It may just be a "hobby" for us, but if we didn't pay memberships, buy merchandise and tickets for this hobby, he wouldn't have a job.

He would, but he wouldn't be able to live off of it.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Part of the Dangerfield agreement should be that he has two boys and that Geelong and Adelaide get to split.

 

[Wright Away]

I just remembered that when we drafted him we allowed him to stay in Victoria to finish highschool before he came over to the Crows full time, I know he played a couple of Melbourne games, I just think it is a little bullshit, to be honest, he should've been a restricted free agent next year, if all things were fair. However, they aren't so I just think the trolling was a bit much, the club bent over backwards for patty, now it is time for us to bend the other way.

 

[ams4crows]

if Melbourne have the cash to pay him 1.2 Mil a season and he decides on MONEY rather than HOME are we still in a position to match that? probably not... then we are stuck with the compo... or if we cant work out a trade with Geelong do Melbourne offer us something so they don't have to wait on Carlton or Brisbane not selecting him in the pre season draft?

 

[jenny61_99]

Why, thank you..... I'm still broke though lol!
I just honestly believe that sport teams, matter a lot to there supporters!
I just reckon it's an irrational feeling that probably feeds on the feelings of belonging to something........

It's tribal.

 

[Wright Away]

Patrick getting ready for footy training:

 

[ams4crows]

Part of the Dangerfield agreement should be that he has two boys and that Geelong and Adelaide get to split.

but we get the better one....

 

[Bicks]

Interesting stat brought up on the ABC's Footy Agenda Program this arvo, the West Coast's list has 27 W.A. draftees currently....amazing stat!

 

[Golumless]

if Melbourne have the cash to pay him 1.2 Mil a season and he decides on MONEY rather than HOME are we still in a position to match that? probably not... then we are stuck with the compo... or if we cant work out a trade with Geelong do Melbourne offer us something so they don't have to wait on Carlton or Brisbane not selecting him in the pre season draft?

I'd be very surprised if we weren't in a position to match 1.2mil per year.

Especially considering it was expected Danger would get an offer around that mark.

 

[jenny61_99]

Part of the Dangerfield agreement should be that he has two boys and that Geelong and Adelaide get to split.

Or if they aren't prepared to travel, that he has only girls.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Patrick getting ready for footy training:

It actually looked a lot like him when he started to peel of the mask.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I just remembered that when we drafted him we allowed him to stay in Victoria to finish highschool before he came over to the Crows full time, I know he played a couple of Melbourne games, I just think it is a little bullshit, to be honest, he should've been a restricted free agent next year, if all things were fair. However, they aren't so I just think the trolling was a bit much, the club bent over backwards for patty, now it is time for us to bend the other way.

We knew that he wouldn't play the first year going in though.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Interesting stat brought up on the ABC's Footy Agenda Program this arvo, the West Coast's list has 27 W.A. draftees currently....amazing stat!

Someone mentioned that the other day and it was conveniently ignored. I believe they changes their recruitment strategy after losing Judd at the peak of his career. We should surely now do the same.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Someone mentioned that the other day and it was conveniently ignored. I believe they changes their recruitment strategy after losing Judd at the peak of his career. We should surely now do the same.

Is there the same level of talent from SA though?

 

[FR0GGY]

So he's not going to live in moggs creek. I thought that was the whole idea?

 

[1990crow]

So he's not going to live in moggs creek. I thought that was the whole idea?

Where'd you hear this?

 

[FR0GGY]

Where'd you hear this?

Kim Dillon stated it pretty categorically yesterday

 

[Iron]

I just remembered that when we drafted him we allowed him to stay in Victoria to finish highschool before he came over to the Crows full time, I know he played a couple of Melbourne games, I just think it is a little bullshit, to be honest, he should've been a restricted free agent next year, if all things were fair. However, they aren't so I just think the trolling was a bit much, the club bent over backwards for patty, now it is time for us to bend the other way.

I'm trying to picture us bending the other way.

It doesn't seem very threatening.