Opposition Camp Dangerfield's Gone (Zero tolerance to trolling) - READ THREAD LINKED IN OP BEFORE POSTING

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On top of this we retain our existing first round picks whereas Geelong damages their list profile and youth by getting rid of theirs
Geelong is ensuring that when Selwood and Danger are done the town will become a ghost town.
I reckon in 3 yeas they are in full rebuild... Get our picks right and we are top 4..
I think Danger would be aware of that
 

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I suppose that it's "painful" to be informed about something that you don't like hearing. I get that. But I am genuinely concerned about exchanging reasoned and robust dialogue and nothing more.
For a fellow South supporter you are not showing much class. We get your point. You think we will get nothing. We get you..
Anything else to add?
 

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There's no need for the personal attacks.

There's a six day overlap period between when RFA finishes and whe the AFL trade period commences. Geelong could easily hold off it offer to Patrick on the first three days of the RFA period. Adelaide CAN'T match until it knows what Geelong intends on offering Patrick. Geelong, as part of its overall list management strategy, could have set aside its draft picks for this year for other trade targets which it has already discussed and agreed upon with other suitors.

It's a very real possibility that Geelong will swap its pick #9 for two picks in the early 20s and use both of those picks for Lachie Henderson and, say a Zac Smith. What does Adelaide do if, by the time it comes around to Geelong offering Danger an offer, there's nothing left for Adelaide to be worth risking the loss of a first round compensation draft pick for? Does Adelaide a) match the deal anyway, knowing that they lose a first round draft pick, or b) accept pick #14 in compensation and move on?

If its the former, and as you suggest a "normal trade situation" ensues, what does Adelaide do? Trade Danger somewhere that he doesn't want to go? If he's nominated Geelong and Geelong only - which he will, then he WILL NOT be playing anywhere else. And if Adelaide's demands are too crippling, Geelong walk and Patrick ends up in the PSD where no club will take him. What club in their right mind would recruit someone who WILL NOT play for them, who WILL NOT even speak to them, who WILL refuse to have anything to even do with them?

Geelong can force Adelaide's hand by ridding itself of its draft picks by way of trading them BEFORE making a formal F/A offer to Danger. At that point Adelaide must match KNOWING that it WILL NOT be compensated for the loss of Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide forgoes its compensation pick and Patrick Dangerfield nominates himself for the PSD. Paul Connors tells every club of which whom have a PSD pick ahead of Geelong that Patrick WILL NOT under ANY circumstances play for any football clu other than Geelong in 2016, "so just don't go there".

The AFLPA will be up in arms about "restriction of trade". Patrick Dangerfield will be ropeable about having his passage to Geelong blocked by Adelaide who, despite having a compensation pick available to them at the time, elected to not accept the pick knowing that it couldn't extract anything of any notable value above and beyond the comp pick out of Geelong, and have done so just to spite him. That's not a good look.

The AFL under those unprecedented circumstances will either a) offer an additional compensation pick, possibly an end of first round pick to ensure that it most certainly is in Adelaide's best interest to NOT match, or b) behind closed door informs Adelaide in no uncertain terms that by matching and causing such a charade in the process, the outcomes which will ensue will not be favourable from an Adelaide perspective. My guess would be the former.
I would normally agree with a lot of what you say here. The bit I reckon you are completely dreaming about is no one else taking him in a draft. Several teams have already said they will take him if he is there. Brisbane being the most vocal.
 

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Not much point getting everyone's knickers in a twist about who might do what and what picks or players might come across.

No doubt in my mind Patty made the decision over 12 months ago, the club knew and have been working with Geelong. Last years pick swap wasn't an accident. Deal has well and truly been done. AFL know what it is and everyone is ready to move on.

Anything else is just posturing for members and to sell papers.
 

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Two first round picks is the right outcome IMO. This has to be the first deal done as so much else rides on it. If we match we are willing to risk pick 15 in the hope of getting more. That would have to be double or quits. It Geelong play hard ball then he goes into the PSD, we have to be willing for that eventuality. Given they have comitted to Patrick, I think it will be a "fair" trade in the circumstances, of two first round picks. If there was a bidding war he would be worth more than that, but that won't happen. Time to be realistic.
 

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Heard from a very senior person at AFLPA last night that the Hawks are up to their eyeballs in Danger at the moment. The Cats are not a forgone conclusion, hence why Danger made it clear he wants to go home and did not name Geelong - or Adelaide didn't name them anyway.
 
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Does anyone else get the vibe there are more to this 'due to personal circumstances' than just Danger wanting to get home?

The use of the word extraordinary in that sentence throws me - I saw Rucci meet with Chapman yesterday shortly after the Crows made the announcement.

The players have seemingly been quite forgiving.

I just wonder whether, without speculating (and I have no idea) but something along the lines of his Mrs is pregnant, family sickness (hopefully not), etc ... something along those lines that is drawing him home.
Not out of the question. I was chatting to one of my mad Cats supporting neighbours the other day, and she felt the Walsh tragedy actually swayed his decision even further...i.e. family is everything, footy is just a game (wish I could look at it this way!).
 

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Heard from a very senior person at AFLPA last night that the Hawks are up to their eyeballs in Danger at the moment. The Cats are not a forgone conclusion, hence why Danger made it clear he wants to go home and did not name Geelong - or Adelaide didn't name them anyway.
That rumor just wont go away. It keeps coming from some pretty good sources. It makes zero sense from Danger's point of view. He has clearly indicated to Geelong that they are his preference and it seems unlikely that he would want to let them down in such a manner. But then again what he did to Adelaide doesn't really make a lot of sense.
 

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Now that I've had some time for the dust to settle and process things, these are my thoughts on this situation.

1- There can be absolutely no doubt that Patrick played his heart out this season, is a deserving All Australian, will probably win our B&F and if he doesn't win the Brownlow he'll go awfully close. I still want him to win it, but won't be quite as proud as I would have been.
Apologies for quoting myself but I accidentally posted this last night half way through typing.

2- The comparisons with Gunston and Tippett are ridiculous! Gunston left after 2 years, we were fully expecting him to sign a new contract and he basically called us from the airport ant told us he wanted to be traded to Hawthorn!! Tippett strung us along for years, played like crap in his last finals series except his great game against the Hawks, and told us he wanted to go home only to take the $$$$ and run off to the Swans. He then didn't have the balls to even ring his teammates to tell them he was gone and took the soft option and sent them all a text message. Compare this behaviour with the known facts about Patty- He played his heart out for us until the final siren, from a playing viewpoint you could not fault him this year. He told the club in August that he wanted to leave at the end of the year giving the club plenty of time to prepare for the next step. He held off from announcing anything publicly until he had the chance to tell all of his teammates face to face that he was leaving.

I am as shattered as anyone that he is leaving, and it reinforces my man love for Sloaney for staying, but to compare his actions with those other two is not right.
 
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Heard from a very senior person at AFLPA last night that the Hawks are up to their eyeballs in Danger at the moment. The Cats are not a forgone conclusion, hence why Danger made it clear he wants to go home and did not name Geelong - or Adelaide didn't name them anyway.
Cyril 4 Danger :thumbsu:
 

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I suppose that it's "painful" to be informed about something that you don't like hearing. I get that. But I am genuinely concerned about exchanging reasoned and robust dialogue and nothing more.
As I said in another post above, it’s easy to come on here and act like a tough keyboard warrior claiming that Geelong will offload their picks before trading with us but it’s just incredibly unlikely in reality.

It is a well-known fact that AFL clubs don’t actively try and monumentally screw each other over like that as they fully well know that it might come back the other way in the future. Yes, there's always winners and losers in trading but AFL clubs always try and work things through in order to co-exist with each other. Once we match, they’ll come to a mutually agreeable outcome where, while we more than likely won’t get market value and lose out, but we will at least extract something resembling value. I’d be very confident the recruiters (Geelong admin/ppl talking tough in the media wouldn't come into play, that's purely for show) already negotiating reasonably behind the scenes.
 

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I would normally agree with a lot of what you say here. The bit I reckon you are completely dreaming about is no one else taking him in a draft. Several teams have already said they will take him if he is there. Brisbane being the most vocal.
If that is a real possibility then the AFL will give you and extra comp pick as incentive to not trade. That's fine by us. But we won't sell the farm for Danger.
 

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Best for both parties is Adelaide dont match the offer get a 1st round compo pick and Geelong hand over their 1st rd pick to be a fair deal
 

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Not much point getting everyone's knickers in a twist about who might do what and what picks or players might come across.

No doubt in my mind Patty made the decision over 12 months ago, the club knew and have been working with Geelong. Last years pick swap wasn't an accident. Deal has well and truly been done. AFL know what it is and everyone is ready to move on.

Anything else is just posturing for members and to sell papers.
Hadn't considered that, but this might be the most salient point in the entire thread.
 

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How do we get your first rounder if we don't match?
Afl wont like it but since a few crows dont want Mackay we can offer 1st round pick for him or any other players really and if we do have to trade 1st round and cockky would be fair deal as he has the pace you need, what ever the deal needs to be fair for Adelaide no point trying to screw teams these days
 
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