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Injury Daniel Menzel - second ruptured ACL

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The '09 draft crop is talented enough to deliver a flag, but bloody hell they've had an appalling run with injury.

I hope he comes back, but you can't help but get that Marc Woolnough feeling.
 
dazbroncos said:
just gutted...

that is 2 knees for Menz and doesn't Troy have 2 knee reco's as well...

that is genetic if ever I've seen it....

just horrible...

Go Catters
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Seriously, how can you say that it is genetic?

A more likely scenario is that it is a co-incidence.

Co-incidences happen all the time.
 
I think he was suggesting that the Menzel boys may have a genetic pre-disposition to weak knee ligaments - which is an entirely plausible hypothesis and one supported by substantiated evidence. It might not be true, but that doesn't give you the authority to discount it entirely.
Personally, my opinion is that it's a coincidence. :D
 

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Tragic news for Menzel.
The poor bloke just can't get a break.
At least it's the other knee.
 
Shocking news, really feeling bad for Menz. He has the right people around for support, thoughts go out to him...can not comprehend what he must be feeling right now. He will come back a better and stronger player by 2013 :thumbsu:
 
The only positive I can take out of this is what Balme said - that he will now have 2 reconstructed ACL's and therefore they will both be stronger than they were beforehand.

I know we are still a slim chance this year but in some way I just can't wait to get this year out of the way and hopefully have a fit Menzel and Vardy ready to go next season. Sigh...
 
The rabbi said:
Seriously, how can you say that it is genetic?

A more likely scenario is that it is a co-incidence.

Co-incidences happen all the time.
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Because his family has history, and they say loose ligaments 'can' be genetic.
 
So lousy-poor kid. Hopefully because is he is so young he can still have a 10 year career on 2 indestructable knees. All the best to Menzel.
 
xtatik222k said:
I think he was suggesting that the Menzel boys may have a genetic pre-disposition to weak knee ligaments - which is an entirely plausible hypothesis and one supported by substantiated evidence. It might not be true, but that doesn't give you the authority to discount it entirely.
Personally, my opinion is that it's a coincidence. :D
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If it is true, a family history certainly supports the notion that he has/had structural anomalies in his knees that predispose him to this injury. At surgery, if this is the case, the notch can be widened while performing the recon. I was seriously worried about this scenario watching his first R knee ACL rupture, which was very innocuous. There is nothing that could have been done to prevent this 2nd Left knee injury, and he will surely have another traditional reconstruction, Hamstring graft, and come back in 9 months. CS said he was dominating in the 1st/4 today, which adds to the anguish, but also means he should again be able to return to this level.

Prismall may be a similar case, trivial twists causing devastation. Although there are hardly any current AFL players playing with a history of BOTH knees reconstructed, Menzel is an exceptional talent, and all efforts will be made to get him back to Wojo standards. I doubt the Geelong hierarchy would consider the LARS. We may be in shock and devastated by this, but there is absolutely NO WAY HE HAD COME BACK TOO SOON. That thought can be put away. The rehab team at Geelong is state of the art. Menzel is in THE BEST HANDS.

Will have to wait 9 months again to see my favourite young cat.
 
vinum coupe said:
Because his family has history, and they say loose ligaments 'can' be genetic.
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It's all about a tight notch, or perhaps lax ligaments. The latter does occur. I know nothing about him personally, but I look after an elite 19 yo player who is now pondering his 3rd reconstruction in 4 years, I kid you not, and he has called it quits. Not quite the AFL standard, but certainly TAC cup standard. Point being he is really sloppy. Examining his knees, it is difficult to compare the injured v non-injured, his knees are that loose. If Menzel does have a family history, which may be the case, that still could be loose ligaments and/or a tight notch. If I had the nouse to download graphics for this, it would be clearer. Will get my daughter to help.
 
It might sound odd, but if it was going to happen, this might be the best way. He went down in a final, so he played nearly virtually all of last year prior to the injury. If he comes back by round 1 next year, then in effect he has missed only one full season (plus 2 finals and whatever other finals we play this year). Far worse to do a knee early in one season, come back and play early the next season and do another one. Cold comfort perhaps, but it beats missing two full seasons.
 

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vinum coupe said:
I friggin said it at xmas that he was too far ahead in his rehab.
Yep it's the other knee.

But for gods sake there is 20 years of history on how long it takes to come back from an ACL.

Bloody stupid by club and player.
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Oh piss off. His first knee went easy, and this one did too. It's just unbelievable bad luck. Feel sorry for the guy. :(
 
Once again I shed a few tears upon hearing the bad news. Why does it have to be Menz, again. I swear to God I won't be happy until I see a premiership medal around his neck. This kid should've had one already.
 
So shattered when I saw it happen...feel so bad for the kid but the club will rally around him so he is in good hands
 
Absolutely gutted for the kid.

A shocking piece of bad luck. And the last thing we need is fwits like VC saying 'I told you so'
 
Excuse the intrusion, guys. I just wanted to come over to share my heartfelt commiserations with you all. At our club, we know the multiple-ACL dilemma all too well having gone through it with big Max Bailey. Max, also a bit of a beacon of light for the future has unfortunately been very unlucky with his injuries, so I hope young Daniel can get back out there upon his return and excel.
Just a note on the "loose" knees discussion. Max was purported to have very loose knee joints before his ACLs. I remember a discussion about this on our board at the time and how the surgeries would (effectively) help tighten them up, so to speak. Fingers crossed, he's been ok with his knees ever since.
Looking forward to seeing Daniel out there next year. :thumbsu:
 
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vinum coupe said:
I friggin said it at xmas that he was too far ahead in his rehab.
Yep it's the other knee.

But for gods sake there is 20 years of history on how long it takes to come back from an ACL.

Bloody stupid by club and player.
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Come on Mods,give the w***er a medal

:rolleyes:
 

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neil balme
 
really sorry to hear this for menz.

The rabbi said:
Seriously, how can you say that it is genetic?

A more likely scenario is that it is a co-incidence.

Co-incidences happen all the time.
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my grandfather had varicose veins, my dad had varicose veins, my brother and i have varicose veins. co-incidence or genetic?

just as preposterous to dismiss any chance of genetics as accepting "bad luck".

VEEDUBS said:
It's all about a tight notch, or perhaps lax ligaments.
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vd, you seem to know a bit about these things. any chance that he may over developed the ligaments around the knee in his recovery?

i know of a guy that had no knee issues and wasnt an athlete of any kind, but started riding to work (doncaster to the city, so a fair ride). 6-12 months later he was doing the chicken dance (obviously inebriated) at some club and did his acl. the doc said it was due to muscles around his knee being too strong.

disclaimer: i am not suggesting this is the case with menz, just interested in vd's opinion.
 
darren forssman said:
really sorry to hear this for menz.



my grandfather had varicose veins, my dad had varicose veins, my brother and i have varicose veins. co-incidence or genetic?

just as preposterous to dismiss any chance of genetics as accepting "bad luck".



vd, you seem to know a bit about these things. any chance that he may over developed the ligaments around the knee in his recovery?

i know of a guy that had no knee issues and wasnt an athlete of any kind, but started riding to work (doncaster to the city, so a fair ride). 6-12 months later he was doing the chicken dance (obviously inebriated) at some club and did his acl. the doc said it was due to muscles around his knee being too strong.

disclaimer: i am not suggesting this is the case with menz, just interested in vd's opinion.
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Interesting thought, may have been a possibility when Josh Hunt did his ACL, the muscle issue that is, but DM looks like it was more an internal knee problem. It's a bit of a fallacy to think his reconstructed ligament cold ever be STRONGER than his original, but it is possible his notch or the tunnel the ACL passes through, can be widened so as to prevent it being choked in future. That is only based on cases familiar to me, I have NO KNOWLEDGE of DM, only surmising, but these thoughts are based on many cases.
 

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