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Injury Daniel Menzel - second ruptured ACL

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Was more dissapointed to hear about this injury than any other GEE injury I can recall in a long, long while. It is just such bad luck to do the other ACL on your first match back. Massive blow for such a young guy, and a massive blow to our chances this year, as he would have played a pivotal forward role by round 12.

Hopefully his recovery goes as well as the first reco, and he is back in the hoops by Rd 1 next year. I'm sure the club will get right behind him. Very happy he has re-signed.
 
Sorry to hear this
A big blow for a guy that trades on explosive leap and maneouverability. Hate to say it, but he may become another on the sad list of Geelongs' 'might have beens"
Still young - I hope he proves me wrong.
 
pollywaffle said:
Sorry to hear this
A big blow for a guy that trades on explosive leap and maneouverability. Hate to say it, but he may become another on the sad list of Geelongs' 'might have beens"
Still young - I hope he proves me wrong.
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There is a view that repairing the two might strenghten what could be a genetic vulnerability. His brother has had similar issues. I'm hopefull that viewpoint has validity as the kid has special talent.
 

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AM said:
There is a view that repairing the two might strenghten what could be a genetic vulnerability. His brother has had similar issues. I'm hopefull that viewpoint has validity as the kid has special talent.
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Correct weight. Also that he has done both knees would mean both are strengthened over just the 1. Could be why he did the left so soon, being now the weak link on its own opposed to being 1 of 2 weak links?
 
Every chance for Round 1 in the seniors next year.

Both Vardy and Menzel back on track will be a big shock for opposition teams. Lots of life left in this years team as well!
 
Poor lad, I do wish him the best with his recovery.

Looks like Pendles has done his knee, seems to like Geelong and Collingwood are having a bad run of knee/leg issues.
 
Would love to draft his brother and have both in the team next year, really hope the kid stays strong and feels the supporter of the whole club and supporters.

Still bloody shattered really has puta damper on this year
 
witsend said:
If there's the slightest positive it's that with 2 recos he may essentially miss just 1 season.
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Thats my point of view aswell, the timing has been good really, should be ready to go say round 4 next year so not all is lost but gee would have loved him out there later this year.
 
Alkanphel said:
Will Regards to Vinum, he's always like that.. Always Pessimistic about the cats but agree that was a low blow from him..
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I am not pessimistic !
What was the low blow?
Having a crack at the way he has been handled or suggesting 12 months ago that Duncan will end up the better player?

That's pretty much all I've said about Menz.

Oh, and that he seems to just want to take mark of the year.
 
VEEDUBS said:
Totally ill-informed comments.
He did injure the other knee, hope you realise. The reconstructed knee is sound. This injury today was going to happen, given how easily it happened. I miss Menzel as much as any supporter, think he is our brightest young star, but you have to accept that this happens, and is not preventable . Seriously.

None of your assertions about the medical team are accurate, and your comments need to be addressed like this, but I'll accept you are coming to these conclusions out of emotion and ignorance. You claim Menzel has come back too soon, yet you say others are coming back too slowly. Please reread your stuff and conclude you've had a bad day.
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Okay, let me put it like this.

These medical teams must know what the recommended lay-off is for an ACL. So, why even risk bringing back Menzel this year. Why not have him be 100% and start pre-season early, so that he is cherry-ripe for round 1.

Secondly, I know it was his other knee, but maybe the other knee has taken all the pressure, since he has been off his bad knee.

Look, maybe I am being irrational about this, but it pisses me off that we are struggling without key players, yet Essendon and Collingwood still win games with half their side out.
 
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Okay, let me put it like this.

These medical teams must know what the recommended lay-off is for an ACL. So, why even risk bringing back Menzel this year. Why not have him be 100% and start pre-season early, so that he is cherry-ripe for round 1.

Secondly, I know it was his other knee, but maybe the other knee has taken all the pressure, since he has been off his bad knee.

Look, maybe I am being irrational about this, but it pisses me off that we are struggling without key players, yet Essendon and Collingwood still win games with half their side out.
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He has been through stringent training sessions, "tearing the house down", passing all tests easily, and has been on both knees for 6 months now. He was absolutely ready, and if he came back in rd 1 2013, there is nothing that in theory would have prevented this injury occurring, given the innocuous way it happened. Had this not happened, very little doubt he'd be a senior selection during June 2012. You can't say that would not have been a sight to behold. He actually dominated in the 2/4 he played yesterday, does not sound like a lame player carrying an overloaded "good" knee. You may have to accept it is a freak injury because of dodgy anatomy, which may well be correctable before next season.
 

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Agree with Veedubs I fail to see what one injury has to do with the other.... It's like brining a bloke back early from a twisted ankle and then complaining when he goes off for a concussion......

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VEEDUBS said:
He has been through stringent training sessions, "tearing the house down", passing all tests easily, and has been on both knees for 6 months now. He was absolutely ready, and if he came back in rd 1 2013, there is nothing that in theory would have prevented this injury occurring, given the innocuous way it happened. Had this not happened, very little doubt he'd be a senior selection during June 2012. You can't say that would not have been a sight to behold. He actually dominated in the 2/4 he played yesterday, does not sound like a lame player carrying an overloaded "good" knee. You may have to accept it is a freak injury because of dodgy anatomy, which may well be correctable before next season.
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Spot on! The medical team in no way would have risked him if they thought there was any chance of this happening due to the previous knee injury.

With all the sports scientists in AFL clubs nowdays, they would have very stringently monitored him to make sure he was evenly distributing weight before they would have even let him start running!!
Failure to do this wouldnt just put pressure on the other knee but the whole of his body and risk further injury higher up(back, shoulder etc).

It just sounds like there may be some sort of genetic deficiency with the Menzel acl, especially with his brother doing the same thing.

Remembering that the function of the ACL is to stabilise the knee - mostly through lateral movement - it was a very freak incident when he did the other one on the weekend as he wasnt changing direction like he did with the first ACL.
 
Menz has been keen to get back for months and felt that all was going well.

This is just a poor freak accident and to say anything else is just trying to sound knowledgeable and a bit "Kingy"! (I know something you don't just in case I might be right!)

FFS......Do you honestly think GFC wanted Menz out for the rest of the year? Get a grip! The only person who could know how he felt was Menz and he has said numerous times he felt great!

VC you have surpassed yourself with your comments in here, you are an idiot.

Menz, keep fighting we will see you tearing it up next year! :thumbsu:
 
I was at a closed training session about a month ago and Menzel was flying. Looking at him out there, you wouldn't even guess he was coming back from an injury. He looked ready to play seniors that weekend. The second ACL was purely bad luck and the football gods hating us - nothing at all like the Egan situation where we were, in hindsight, negligent for the sake of trying to rush him back. If anything, we were extra cautious with Menzel - I believe he could have been in the VFL weeks ago.
 
catman 71 said:
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Okay, let me put it like this.

These medical teams must know what the recommended lay-off is for an ACL. So, why even risk bringing back Menzel this year. Why not have him be 100% and start pre-season early, so that he is cherry-ripe for round 1.

Secondly, I know it was his other knee, but maybe the other knee has taken all the pressure, since he has been off his bad knee.

Look, maybe I am being irrational about this, but it pisses me off that we are struggling without key players, yet Essendon and Collingwood still win games with half their side out.
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Especially given that his brother has also done his knee at a young age, it sounds an awful lot less like bad management and an awful lot more like bad knees to me.

Knee joints should be able to bear the vast majority of a player's weight whilst turning regardless of the health of the player, because that is what a knee does, especially while a player is running.

Leaving Menzel out for the whole year would most likely have just prolonged the biologically inevitable. I also don't think you could accuse Geelong of not being conservative enough with injury management given its history with Vardy, Hawkins, Ottens etc etc.
 

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All said and done this is pretty much the best result for the club. It sounds like it was destined to go anyway. So get it done and out of the way and only miss a season of footy.
 
obviously devastated by the news of Menz and wishing him the very best for a speedy recovery.

A few have pointed out the down side of a 2nd ACL but it's usually times likes these that make an individual stronger in the long term and facing the adversity he has been dealt with once again, he has a terrific opportunity to turn the negatives into a positive...work on the hand balling/left & right, work on the hand eye coordination, strengthening other areas of the body which would commonly be overlooked.

Plenty of ways he can become a better player in the long run due to the consequences of his 2nd ACL.

On ya Menzel!...will come back to playing his best footy ever ;)
 
menzel coming back was what i was most looking forward to this year.

he will be my favourite player if he can get back, and build on where he left of.

i had a weird feeling about his return, and when a friend of mine linked me to the article about his left knee, i was devastated but not actually surprised.

im hoping the operations have fixed up any inherent structural weakness his knees had - does anyone here know if that is a possibility? physiology is not my strong suit...
 
barmy44 said:
menzel coming back was what i was most looking forward to this year.

he will be my favourite player if he can get back, and build on where he left of.

i had a weird feeling about his return, and when a friend of mine linked me to the article about his left knee, i was devastated but not actually surprised.

im hoping the operations have fixed up any inherent structural weakness his knees had - does anyone here know if that is a possibility? physiology is not no strong suit...
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I think Veedubs mentioned earleir in the thread that they cant strengthen the actual ligament but they can possibly make the groove bigger so that it doesnt get jammed so easily. Something along those lines.
 

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