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Injury Daniel Menzel - third (partially) ruptured ACL

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I guess there would be some, including myself, who wonder if he can strain it doing simple exercises then how is he suppose to be all good playing AFL for the next 10 years without hurting it again?

Got no idea about the medical side of knee injuries so is it a case of most strain's etc occur in the first part of recovery and then it's good from then on or is it a sign of things to come?
 
It could be just a coincidence as its not the ACL this time, or it could point to other issues in his knees on top of the ACL structure issues he had. I guess we cross our fingers, hold our breath, etc for the first few of his games back.
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-18/more-knee-issues-for-menzel
GEELONG half-forward Daniel Menzel has suffered a setback in his recovery from his second knee reconstruction.

Menzel strained his left knee – the one he had reconstructed in June – during a training drill at Simonds Stadium in early December.

The strain has prevented him from taking part in the club's pre-season training camp at Falls Creek.

"Dan had a minor mishap at training … and we just wanted to make sure that the best treatment was available for him back in Geelong, so he's stayed back there," development coach Nigel Lappin told a press conference at the Mount Beauty football ground on Tuesday.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-18/more-knee-issues-for-menzel

I realise this is covered in the preseason thread but I may drag those posts into here for continuity.
 

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It's disappointing and a bit of a concern but the fact it wasn't the ACL I don't think it's too much to worry about long term. It probably does set him back a few weeks. I think the biggest impact this could have is not so much on the knee itself but his confidence in his knee. And as has been discussed, if he's not 100% confident in it, especially when he gets to full contact training and possibly playing footy, that's when things could really go bad. So in that regard I hope he or the team don't rush him back prematurely if he isn't right physically or mentally. Plenty of time for him yet and I see no point in setting dates or deadlines for when he plays again.

As for Smedts, although he lost all of season 2011 due to his hips, that was a problem with his hip joints which has been corrected. Nigel said this is a glute problem so it's muscle related and doubt it's connected to his original injury. But I'm not a physio so I just hope I'm right.
 
FromDawn2Dark said:
and I see no point in setting dates or deadlines for when he plays again.
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that's telling right there, even if he finally gets back by round 5-7 next year, be much better he goes slowly and ensures the knee gets plenty of rest in between his strength conditioning.
There will be no rush as we have a couple of lively kids in the VFL who are more than capable (Kersten & Burbury).
 
Can we get a break with some of first picks. Varcoe has missed a lot of games, then Brown, then Smedts and now Menzel.

It seems like curse presently that our first round draft picks.
 
Belisarius said:
Can we get a break with some of first picks. Varcoe has missed a lot of games, then Brown, then Smedts and now Menzel.

It seems like curse presently that our first round draft picks.
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Or it could just be that we trust our player development system to bring our kids through it.

Johnson and Selwood among many were some of our players with huge injury histories. Look at them now. Nothing to see here, Menz will play a decade for us if we install some confidence in him.
 
Belisarius said:
Can we get a break with some of first picks. Varcoe has missed a lot of games, then Brown, then Smedts and now Menzel.

It seems like curse presently that our first round draft picks.
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It's not good, but I think Thurlow is going to turn that around.

Lets hope Smedts is ok at least!
 
fpm84 said:
Story on Ten News just then - Menzel injured his knee earlier this week but the club is confident there's no serious problem.

Anyone know anything more?
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Was doing tackling drills with one of the coaches at the open seession, went down while laying a tackle and stayed down for a couple of minutes and chatted about it, didn't seem too concerned but then spoke at length with the medicos who kept stressing that he needed to trust his knee. Had a bit of a kick to kick while doing short leads side to side for a little while after that then pulled up stumps. Was looking fit and well, not sure if that is what this news story was referring to, as I said in my post at the time will be heart in mouth watching him for a while yet, hope this is just a bump on the road back.
 
The rabbi said:
He did do an ACL, or at least he needed a knee reco due to a knee injury during the pre-season Grand Final against Collingwood in '09.
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Read the posts b4 Rabs, we were talking about 2 ACL's, JH has had the ONE.
 
VEEDUBS said:
There aren't many in the 2 club, and pretty sure JH isn't. He did do a tibial stress injury early on, iirc, but unless he did a knee before he came to us, .....
Nevertheless, he'll help. By now, DM is an expert in rehab of ACL knees. He might want to have a chat with Prismall and learn what not to do and what to do?
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Don't go to backwards club like Essendon if you've been offered a contract to stay would be a good start :D
 

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Belisarius said:
What's up with McCarthy ? I know he had injury last season - thought he would be over by now and back training.

Any info ?
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Foot stress injury.
 
supahoops said:
Was doing tackling drills with one of the coaches at the open seession, went down while laying a tackle and stayed down for a couple of minutes and chatted about it, didn't seem too concerned but then spoke at length with the medicos who kept stressing that he needed to trust his knee. Had a bit of a kick to kick while doing short leads side to side for a little while after that then pulled up stumps. Was looking fit and well, not sure if that is what this news story was referring to, as I said in my post at the time will be heart in mouth watching him for a while yet, hope this is just a bump on the road back.
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Why would someone coming back from a knee reco be doing tackling drills in December?

Seems this could have been avoided.

I understand the need to trust his knee and getting confident, but its December.....

Not sure I understand the clubs move on this one
 
Topper said:
Why would someone coming back from a knee reco be doing tackling drills in December?

Seems this could have been avoided.

I understand the need to trust his knee and getting confident, but its December.....

Not sure I understand the clubs move on this one
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Tough love?
Seriously, I understand from a physio friend that it is all about, as the report said, learning to trust his knee/s again.
If he's to be fit for the season he needs to be doing a range of things concurrently with rehabilitating the knee.
 

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Topper said:
Why would someone coming back from a knee reco be doing tackling drills in December?

Seems this could have been avoided.

I understand the need to trust his knee and getting confident, but its December.....

Not sure I understand the clubs move on this one
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I guess it's all part of the recovery process, and if he's looking at playing AFL in 3 months he has to build up to it at some stage.
 
FredLeDeux said:
Seriously, I understand from a physio friend that it is all about, as the report said, learning to trust his knee/s again.
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and the club physios and fitness gurus would have had left no stone unturned when it came to making sure he was ready for certain drills.
They are pretty strict on this as a players career and jobs can be on the line if corners are cut.

Could be just a case of his knee getting use to the added bulk Dan has put on his upper body in recent months.
That left knee wouldn't have been use to it and I'd say he'd be carrying an extra 4-6kg's of muscle and fat which doesn't sound like much but it does have a bearing on the knees and feet, especially for athletes who do a hell of a lot of running and track work.

I haven't seen any photos of him doing any work on the beach, I know a lot of athletes who are coming back from knee reco's do a good deal of their rehabilitation on sand as it acts as a cushion as well providing excellent muscle strengthening for the lower legs.
 
Belisarius said:
Can we get a break with some of first picks. Varcoe has missed a lot of games, then Brown, then Smedts and now Menzel.

It seems like curse presently that our first round draft picks.
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Lappin seemed to make a veiled reference to Varcoe (foot injuries going pear-shaped) when discussing McCathy's foot injury on the Cat site. (He might also have been recalling the story of Matt Egan and also Hawkins had a navicular not long after and he also took a while). James Kelly another historic Cat to overcome serious injury, I recall, and J Hunt had a whole year away. Then there is Tom Lonergan. But the bottom line is that without a large number of these stars or up-and-comers, finals in 2013 are at risk. The big question marks re making it to Sept = Varcoe; Vardy; Menzel and, indeed, Bundy. Oh and Caddy has a bung shoulder, BTW, also on the Cats' site. Hadn't clocked that one til today.
Go Cats!
 
About the talk of Menzel "having to trust he's knee's", i think that sums it all up, there's no doubt it would be in his mind everytime he runs around and jumps that he could 'do it again' and so he trys to prevent it by not properly twisting or running etc, this may have caused the slight strain.
 
I will say this. This bloke has out the work into his lower body. When he was out there before he went off, his lower body definition was awesome. I know you can over train etc but he looked very very fit

Go Catters
 

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