Daniel Motlop asks to be traded

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Cyclops
...what if Porthos told you to go forth and multiply.......ah thats right; you didnt even come fourth

Touche' testube

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by ****
I think I know what Topjars was getting at.

Many aboriginal players do play an attacking style and aren't particularly diligent with the defensive side of things. I don't know if it's to do with race but think that race certainly could have something to do with it, afterall aboriginal players have a likeness in so many aspects of the game, like their evasive skills, their flashes of brilliance, their ability to produce feats of magic. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest race has something to do with all of these things. And it's not denegrating them. I mean we all acknowledge the positive aspects that their aboriginality brings to their football, why can't we be open about their negative tendancies?

It doesn't mean they can't be defensive it just means many are not and I don't think this is unreasonable to suggest.

I don't agree that they go missing in finals, though. Sure, Che CC is as soft as they come but that's just him.


****

I just think you can have too many of 'em on the field.
Its a little bit like having too many white ruckmen

 

[Mong]

Don't get me wrong Stiffy.

I am not saying we shouldn't go for him, I would love to have him. I am just trying to offer a different side to those who claim 'racism' everytime anyone comments on tendancies of aboriginal players. I just think there is some difference in their play, both positive and negative. That certainly doesn't mean I don't want them, I definately do.

People say white men can't jump. It's no big deal. Generally blacks ARE more athletic than white so there is truth to that, although there are obviously exceptions. In the same way black footballers do play a different style (once again, there are exceptions) and I don't think people should be called racist for acknowledging a difference in playing styles.


****

 

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
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Motlop has some freakish skills. Yes he is a bit unaccountable BUT
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That is more to do with being 21 and relatively inexperienced.
****, Topjars - how many 21 year olds do you know that play accountable footy all the time?
I suspect it's the same as me, none.

Topjars, your initial comments are a disgrace fella.
As you have already noted, Motlop would have some very good role models should he choose to play with the Crows.

 

[DaveW]

Look how many gutted Roos fans there are on the North Melbourne board because of his depature.

I think that says it all.

I still say we should go after Shannon as well.

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Originally posted by Porthos
I'd think that your end to the season would've shown the Crows to be perfectly capable of doing all of those things without extensive aboriginal influence.

Someone sounds bitter.

-clutches throat-

 

[Portia]

At least I'm not in denial.

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Pfft. I'm not in denial, I'm not too far off of ant in negativity sense.

-clutches throat-

 

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by topjars
Touche' testube

Ah the cut and thrust of internet sniping, I'm turning into Dave. I'm sure Porthos can look after himself, but I feel great loyalty toward Port.

Actually I reckon Motlop would be very good for Adelaide, they still have the midfield bodies to get to the finals, they just need something to get them over the line. McLeod is the big game fella in the centre, but Motlop is the sort of bloke who could tear a final up. You're only 1 forward away from the big one for mine.

 

[ant]

Originally posted by DaveW
Look how many gutted Roos fans there are on the North Melbourne board because of his depature.

I think that says it all.

Yeah, it's amazing isn't it? Akin to what you'd see if say, Stiffy left the Crows.....I mean, open weeping by Roos fans because D. Motlop has asked to be traded, he really must be a special talent.

Well and truly forget Holland, what do they want for D. Motlop?

And Goalsfrom50out, glad to see I've got another one

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Daniel Motlop asks to be traded

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I am aware that we need KPP and ruckman BUT if you have a chance of getting a talented player like D. Motlop (taken in the top 10 in 2000 draft) surely you would have to look at it.

We need some youth in our group and he is still only 20-21 year old. Certainly have a look at him. If we could get him for DOughty I would do it.

That's the key Stiffy. If we just swap him for a fringe player such as Dogga who needs a fresh opportunity, we can't really lose (though may not win either). ie. Wouldn't be risking much.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
This bloke is definitely worth the effort. North still consider him a required player

And come on Stiffy, you know it's gonna cost a lot more than Doughty to get Motlop . (Port will undoubtedly offer at least Guerra)

Are you prepared to part with a second round pick for him?
What's the most you'd be prepared to offer for him?

They r*ped us last year dont you think that is about time we r*ped them back??????

I would be more than happy to trade our 2nd round pick for D. Motlop but we really need our 1st and 2nd round picks this year to go for talls. If we can trade back into the 2nd round I would do it. Otherwise no

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Originally posted by Jars458
That comment at the very least has racial overtones.

McLeod and Johncock are two of our best players.

Would you take Adam Goodes? Dean Rioli?

You should have just said you don't wnat Daniel Motlop because he is inconsistent. Linking that to his race achieves nothing and is clearly flawed.

Goodes - most certainly

Rioli - no, not interested

k
xx

 

[DaveW]

I'd offer Doughty and a second rounder for Daniel Motlop. But I doubt they'd take that.

Going back to that bit about Laidley being keen on Doughty for the Carey deal. In hindsight we should have given them pick 4 and Doughty. If we kept pick 20 (which turned out to be pick 18), we could have gotten someone better than Dogga.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
That is more to do with being 21 and relatively inexperienced.
****, Topjars - how many 21 year olds do you know that play accountable footy all the time?
I suspect it's the same as me, none.

Topjars, your initial comments are a disgrace fella.
As you have already noted, Motlop would have some very good role models should he choose to play with the Crows.

Also, being mainly attacking & not being very accountable isn't restricted to just some aboriginal players - Chris Ladhams is also an example of someone else who fits this mould.

No doubt the Aboriginal players make our game even a better one, bring much in the way of excitement, flair & silky skills. AFL would be poorer for less Aboriginal players involved in the game. You need to go no further than imagining an Adelaide side in 2004 without Andrew McLeod. It doesn't bear thinking about!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
I'd offer Doughty and a second rounder for Daniel Motlop. But I doubt they'd take that.

Going back to that bit about Laidley being keen on Doughty for the Carey deal. In hindsight we should have given them pick 4 and Doughty. If we kept pick 20 (which turned out to be pick 18), we could have gotten someone better than Dogga.

Dave, I hope you mean Doughty OR a 2nd rounder for Motlop, as he is not worth both IMO. Personally, I would prefer to trade players, as we need to turn over some our fringe players to inject new life into the squad.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Dave, I hope you mean Doughty OR a 2nd rounder for Motlop, as he is not worth both IMO. Personally, I would prefer to trade players, as we need to turn over some our fringe players to inject new life into the squad.

No trading the 1st or 2nd round draft pick IMO. Has to be a big no-no this year.

Doughty for Motlop - done. Works for both clubs. Doughty plus 4th round pick at most.

Why not Doughty and Gallagher for both Motlops. Keeping the 2 brothers together should have good appeal and might just revive Shannon Motlop's stalled AFL career.

 

[DaveW]

If we got D.Motlop for Doughty + pick 29 that would be a steal.

 

[ant]

Originally posted by DaveW
If we got D.Motlop for Doughty + pick 29 that would be a steal.

Agreed. Though to be honest, I haven't seen enough of D. Motlop myself, but a lot of good judges rate him highly, and will only get better.

Still, he's not a player that fits into our immediate needs, and I don't think we'll go after him with much gusto, but if he's still there at the end of trade week, you'd be mad not to try and get him. You can't ignore talent.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by ant

Still, he's not a player that fits into our immediate needs, and I don't think we'll go after him with much gusto, but if he's still there at the end of trade week, you'd be mad not to try and get him. You can't ignore talent.

I think this is how the AFC are going to play their cards this year. Bargains or nothing.

 

[ant]

Originally posted by macca23
I think this is how the AFC are going to play their cards this year. Bargains or nothing.

That preying on dead carcasses theory eh? Probably the best way to play it, most deals are done in the last 30 minutes anyway, leave it to the last minute and maybe get something for virtually nothing *having a stiffy-like trade week dream*

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
I think this is how the AFC are going to play their cards this year. Bargains or nothing.

Sounds good to me. May be able to get a bargain by either brokering a deal between 2 other clubs as a 3rd party (as there is going to be a higher number of high profile player movement this year), or getting a disgruntled player who would probably quit their club any way (& nominate for the pre-season draft).

Also, agree with what you said before, where we need to keep hold of our round 1 & 2 picks (unless we trade up of course).

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I think this is how the AFC are going to play their cards this year. Bargains or nothing.

I can't complain really. Although I still think we need to have a decent crack at a good young ruckman and I still wouldn't rule Holland out of the equation if he comes at a right price.

We might be lucky and Geelong/Western Bulldogs would come to the party for Perrie like Saints did for Brooks last year.

Who knows we might land a steal. here is for hoping

 

[Stiffy_18]

If we are to have a crack at Motlop, would the fact that he would play with Carey have any negative influence on his decision to join us??????