Daniel Motlop

[A gift from above]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

If I were you I'd keep practicing backflips Jack. You never know The crows might just change their minds.

this statement doesnt really have a meaning. We all know that byron is worthless. Thats why your club is trying to get rid of him.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

On the money Stiffmeister.

I don't think we will figure in Motlop's calculations though, as he has several bros down at Port.

In addition, North are professed to be interested in getting Pickett back. If that's right then there's the basis of a simple trade there, give or take a draft pick here or there.

What do you think North would want for Mitlop? He was originally selected with pick 8.

 

[A gift from above]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Jack I would prefer to keep both. The reason behind this is that we need to have some depth in the KPP department. Its all good to say that we have these players BUT there is a possibility that one or more of those players can come down with an injury and we could be in a bit of a strife. My preference is to keep both. However, if we have to lose one, then I would prefer that we keep Watts and trade Perrie.

My reasoning behind this is simple. Fergus Watts is 7 years younger and much better scope for improvement over the next few years than Perrie. IMHO, Watts has the potential to become a A grade key forward. With all due resects to Sarge he is not on that league.

Secondly, purely from the perspective of trade currency, Perrie's trade value is at an all-time high. After the sort of season he has had, he would demand a VERY good compensation for us. Watts on the other hand is at that time of his career where he won't net us in trade as much as he is worth to us. No matter what we realistically can get for Fergus, I still think we would get dudded. What the club MUST do is make it impossible for Fergus to say no. Quite wimply we muct keep him.

As for Motlop for Watts trade, I don't like it. Motlop has the unbelievable talent. He is the sort of player that can win a match off his own boot. However, he is also prone to having an absolute stinker. Consistency is not his strong point. Secondly he will be 24 next year. Yes you guessed it, the same age as Ladhams is this year . He has been injury prone throughout his AFL career. His career has been restricted by persistent shoulder and soft tissue injuries. He has also been very inconsistent as a footballer.

Quite simply, you just simply DON'T trade a very promising 19 year old key forward for a 24 year old injury prone HFF. It just doesn't add up Jack.

I would be prepared to take a punt on Motlop. Would I trad Watts for him? NO WAY!!!!!!

yep thats a nice post stiffy_18, but you have contradicted what you said about trading perrie originally! Has your opinion just changed thinking about the depth? If we are to progress watts if he stays has to come in right? so it means perrie will probably get the chop and his value will once again drop. Like you said i think nows the time to move him on. If we had mark stevens still i'd take into account injuries but our key forwards are pretty good in that area.

Personally i was for keeping perrie some months back, but as the season has gone on i think his reputation has continued to grow to the point where he is relatively valuable. I am now thinking as long as the value is reflected in a trade, he show go even if watts does. This allows Trent to take CHF and make it his own. It may hurt us a bit in the short term, but can really only benefit us long term. Perrie has his limits and always will.

In terms of watts, ofcourse he is a better prospect than perrie, thats a no brainer, not sure why you mentioned it. Also, i agree that in principle a CHF doesnt equal a HFF, but if you think we are going to get much more than someone like motlop i think you may be disappointed. Watts has done zilch at a AFL level and as a key position player is very risky. Really bad time to trade him in order to get some value.

In regard to motlop, hes had a shoulder injury, just about every afl player has them. He didnt get it operated on so it continued into this season, no big deal. You say he is 24, but didnt he come from the thompson draft? That would suggest he is 22ish unless he was overlooked for a couple of drafts. If he is 24 it does make him look at bit like a unrealised talent, instead of a potential talent, but he showed really good signs last yr and really could be anway thing. I really hope that if we dont get him that port are made to pay a very high price through us pushing the price up.

through interest what do you think we will get for watts on the market, assuming he doesnt have a club preference?

 

[A gift from above]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

What do you think North would want for Mitlop? He was originally selected with pick 8.

they will want alot considering port will want him too they wont have much trouble getting it either i'd think. We should remind them we've been very generous to them in past tradings thats got to be worth something.

 

[macca23]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

What do you think North would want for Mitlop? He was originally selected with pick 8.

He's not worth a pick 8 now though Springy - probably a mid second-rounder given his run with injuries.

If Port trade Pickett for him, Port will have to balance up a fair bit. Pickett's trade value is very very low IMO after his "annus horribilis" in every respect that you can imagine - form, tribunal, public responsibility, and private life. Their offer to him tells you just how lowly Port now rate him.

It might cost Port up to a 2nd round pick along with Pickett to get Motlop, certainly a 3rd rounder minimum.

I don't see us getting Motlop.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

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He's not worth a pick 8 now though Springy - probably a mid second-rounder given his run with injuries.

If Port trade Pickett for him, Port will have to balance up a fair bit. Pickett's trade value is very very low IMO after his "annus horribilis" in every respect that you can imagine - form, tribunal, public responsibility, and private life. Their offer to him tells you just how lowly Port now rate him.

It might cost Port up to a 2nd round pick along with Pickett to get Motlop, certainly a 3rd rounder minimum.

I don't see us getting Motlop.

I reckon if Pickett is included in a Motlop trade, North would also want Ports 1st rounder, pick 16 or 17 or whatever they have. Before he suffered his injury, I thought he looked very, very good.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Jack, Motlop will be 24 at the start of season 2006. His date of birth is March 16, 1982. He is talented but injury prone.

If I knew that Watts would stay if Sarge left, then I would trade Sarge but I don't think we can afford to lose both of them without getting a quality KPP in return. We just lose all the depth we had in KP department. You simply cannot rely on your best players to be there week in week out. Players get injured when you least expect them to, especially key position players. Shoulders, knees and ankles all of a sudden start deteriorating.

I got no idea what we could get for Fergus and the reason I am ********ed off at him is because we won't get what he is worth to us. I woudl be livid if we traded Watts for Motlop.

I do think our chances of getting Motlop are not great. I think Port would have to be favourites at this stage and I reckon he will end up at Port.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

yep thats a nice post stiffy_18, but you have contradicted what you said about trading perrie originally! Has your opinion just changed thinking about the depth? If we are to progress watts if he stays has to come in right? so it means perrie will probably get the chop and his value will once again drop. Like you said i think nows the time to move him on. If we had mark stevens still i'd take into account injuries but our key forwards are pretty good in that area.

Personally i was for keeping perrie some months back, but as the season has gone on i think his reputation has continued to grow to the point where he is relatively valuable. I am now thinking as long as the value is reflected in a trade, he show go even if watts does. This allows Trent to take CHF and make it his own. It may hurt us a bit in the short term, but can really only benefit us long term. Perrie has his limits and always will.

In terms of watts, ofcourse he is a better prospect than perrie, thats a no brainer, not sure why you mentioned it. Also, i agree that in principle a CHF doesnt equal a HFF, but if you think we are going to get much more than someone like motlop i think you may be disappointed. Watts has done zilch at a AFL level and as a key position player is very risky. Really bad time to trade him in order to get some value.

In regard to motlop, hes had a shoulder injury, just about every afl player has them. He didnt get it operated on so it continued into this season, no big deal. You say he is 24, but didnt he come from the thompson draft? That would suggest he is 22ish unless he was overlooked for a couple of drafts. If he is 24 it does make him look at bit like a unrealised talent, instead of a potential talent, but he showed really good signs last yr and really could be anway thing. I really hope that if we dont get him that port are made to pay a very high price through us pushing the price up.

through interest what do you think we will get for watts on the market, assuming he doesnt have a club preference?

His current market value would be about 15-20. However, there are a few clubs ( Western B, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond ) in the market for quality talls so we can hope there is a little bartering for him. That's why i'm disappointed he is leaving now. If we could have signed him for another 2 years I would expect his stocks to be alot higher in 2008.

Let's just hope he kicks another 10 this week. Do you think scouts from other clubs would be watching the SANFL finals, you would espect so?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

His current market value would be about 15-20. However, there are a few clubs ( Western B, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond ) in the market for quality talls so we can hope there is a little bartering for him. That's why i'm disappointed he is leaving now. If we could have signed him for another 2 years I would expect his stocks to be alot higher in 2008.

Let's just hope he kicks another 10 this week. Do you think scouts from other clubs would be watching the SANFL finals, you would espect so?

All clubs have scouts watching all SANFL matches including finals.

They already know what he can do but they wouldn't want to give up too much for him because of the "risk" factor.

 

[apollo_creed]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Motlop at the moment is a poor mans version of Michael O Loughlin.

Potential = O'Loughlin

The way he plays = O'Loughlin

But runs on the board Micky'O is far > than Daniel'O.

Very good mark for his size, sublimely skilled and good at ground level.

He is injury prone so trading for him would be a risk in that respect.

However,

Your side is VERY close to a premiership at the moment and Daniel would unquestionably add to your 22 & make you a better side (if not with the medicos).

We'll happily take that Watts lad off your hands,

Straight up Watts or Reilly and we're in business baby.

 

[vacekadelaide]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Why would we want White, we've already had Daniell Schell on our list. BTW Motlop was orginally drafted with pick 8 so you would expect the Kangas would want at least that. That rules us out.

Now fully fit (he had a massive bursa on his knee whilst at the crows), Daniel Schell has proved he is no hack, winning back to back Ken Farmer medals. A player i wouldve loved to have seen develop under Neil Craig. The time he was given a go at FF by Ayres he kicked 4 goals on Mal Michael. Every other match, he was told to get out of Burtons way cos he was the "go to man". Ridiculous.

 

[jmorg1]

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There are enough Kangaroos supporters running around reminding us of how they got Wells for Carey. I don't need more coming here telling us how much they love Watts while Motlop is recovering from more hamstring strains.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Now fully fit (he had a massive bursa on his knee whilst at the crows), Daniel Schell has proved he is no hack, winning back to back Ken Farmer medals. A player i wouldve loved to have seen develop under Neil Craig. The time he was given a go at FF by Ayres he kicked 4 goals on Mal Michael. Every other match, he was told to get out of Burtons way cos he was the "go to man". Ridiculous.

Wrong. Schell was given plenty of chances and performed in TWO of them. He was too slow, timed his leads poorly, spilled marks, was a terible shot for goal. He was his own worst enemy.

What, did he tell you Ayres ruined his career? I'll bet it's just an excuse for someone who had talent but wasted their opportunity.

 

[Crow-mosone]

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There are enough Kangaroos supporters running around reminding us of how they got Wells for Carey. I don't need more coming here telling us how much they love Watts while Motlop is recovering from more hamstring strains.

Actually we gave them Tim Walsh for Carey.

 

[A gift from above]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Actually we gave them Tim Walsh for Carey.

no one cares about your nit picking ok?

they got a very high pick they we gave them and it turned out to be daniel wells. If we had kept that pick we would have daniel wells today.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

no one cares about your nit picking ok?

they got a very high pick they we gave them and it turned out to be daniel wells. If we had kept that pick we would have daniel wells today.

err no. there is a difference between giving someone a scratch card, and giving them a million dollars.

 

[Tas]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

no one cares about your nit picking ok?

they got a very high pick they we gave them and it turned out to be daniel wells. If we had kept that pick we would have daniel wells today.

It only turned into a great pick after Carlton was caught fiddling the books, if we had the pick we traded for then we would have got some dud that has played bugger all games for the Bulldogs.

I doubt Adelaide would have traded that pick if they knew Carlton was going to be found out, it was very poor timing by the AFL and we just got lucky.

I think we are in the position most likely to lose if we trade someone we know can play the game well at AFL level for someone we do not know. But, you get nowhere if you take no risks. Some work out well, others not so well. I think it was just unfortunate Ayres was coaching while Carey was there, he was never a full forward and was never going to have a massive impact the way you guys played under Ayres towards the end.

I do not care who we get for Motlop, he wants to go which is unfortunate. Rumour is he just wants to leave Melbourne due to a falling out with his 'friends' here.

My gut feeling is we will do a deal with Freo, they have a good track history of giving us good players.

 

[Mego Red]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Can't imagine he'll want to go to Perth. That IS the most isolated city in the world, remember ...

TO NORTH: Polak
TO CROWS: Motlop
TO FREO: Perrie, and NM 2nd round pick.

 

[swanfan]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

He's not worth a pick 8 now though Springy - probably a mid second-rounder given his run with injuries.

If Port trade Pickett for him, Port will have to balance up a fair bit. Pickett's trade value is very very low IMO after his "annus horribilis" in every respect that you can imagine - form, tribunal, public responsibility, and private life. Their offer to him tells you just how lowly Port now rate him.

It might cost Port up to a 2nd round pick along with Pickett to get Motlop, certainly a 3rd rounder minimum.

I don't see us getting Motlop.

Who let the Queen on this post?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

Motlop at the moment is a poor mans version of Michael O Loughlin.

Potential = O'Loughlin

The way he plays = O'Loughlin

But runs on the board Micky'O is far > than Daniel'O.

Very good mark for his size, sublimely skilled and good at ground level.

He is injury prone so trading for him would be a risk in that respect.

However,

Your side is VERY close to a premiership at the moment and Daniel would unquestionably add to your 22 & make you a better side (if not with the medicos).

We'll happily take that Watts lad off your hands,

Straight up Watts or Reilly and we're in business baby.

Reilly for Motlop, done - where do we sign?

 

[A gift from above]

Re: Heres the guy we should be replacing ferg with.

err no. there is a difference between giving someone a scratch card, and giving them a million dollars.

you see crow-mosone we had a scratchie where the chances of winning were much greater than normal, an elite scratchie one might say, but we traded it for a old shytey scratchie that had buggered shoulders and half its numbers already scratched off. Thought a man of your brilliance could of seen this.

Also, it may just be a coincidence but the more scratchie's you keep, especially the elite ones, the greater chance you have of winning. You see we have often traded our very good scratchie's for not so good ones haven't we. It leaves us with scratchies that have a very low chance of winning the million dollars. Either that or its just pure coincidence that we haven't drafted many good players considering we've had 2 dips over the last 5 yrs. What do you think?

 

[NewCrowsFan]

"Crows Consider Move For Motlop"

Crows consider move for Motlop

The Adelaide Crows have expressed an interest in signing North Melbourne star Daniel Motlop, who has asked the Kangaroos to trade him to another club.

The 23-year-old has cited family reasons for his decision.

Crows recruiting manager James Fantasia says Motlop is the type of player who would fit in well at West Lakes.

"We'll make some enquiries to his management," he confirmed.

"It's pretty hard to orchestrate anything in the pre-season draft, so our only options really in terms of trading would be to look at player for player, or look at a draft selection for a player."

http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200509/s1464827.htm

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Re: "Crows Consider Move For Motlop"

It looks like it could be between us and Port, although Port has more to offer. I reckon Byron and Ports 1st rounder will do the trick.

EDIT: Actually if we can't get a pick in the top 10 for Watts I would trade him for Motlop. I reckon the kid is quality when injury free. And if Watts is arrogant enough to do a runner on us after only 2 years, let him train on a cow paddock and play in front of 5000 people every week.

 

[GoSarge]

Re: "Crows Consider Move For Motlop"

Interesting one. I like the guy, but you'd have to please the Roos in getting him to West Lakes. Wonder what they would want in return for him. Players ? Picks ? Would Watts be involved ? Lots of variables.

As for Port having more to offer, I think that is irrelevant. The question is : "Does Port have more in terms of what North would be interested in ?".

 

[tredders16]

Re: "Crows Consider Move For Motlop"

Interesting one. I like the guy, but you'd have to please the Roos in getting him to West Lakes. Wonder what they would want in return for him. Players ? Picks ? Would Watts be involved ? Lots of variables.

As for Port having more to offer, I think that is irrelevant. The question is : "Does Port have more in terms of what North would be interested in ?".

Imagine if you had Wells as trade bait? Oh sorry, you could have had him but instead you went for some 30 year old hack who couldn't raise his arms above his head. Still hurts doesn't it?