Daniel Rich

[Lach72]

Rich will be a better player than warnock quicker. Our other pick will take longer to develop and not be as good.

We are being held back by the midfield not our ruck stocks.

Do you know how good rich is?

i have had a lot of involvement with junior state teams, he has all the attributes to be the next absolute superstar of the AFL. He will lead us to flags.

He has 55 metre accurate kicking, pace, size.... will get damn close to the sandover this year. Plug and play absolute superstar.

Palmer, Rich, Sandilands, Pavlich - stars to win us a flag

So, to summarise, we trade away the best ruck prospect we've got, who we have incidentally nursed through three years, risk running Sandilands into the ground for the next big thing...who may turn out to be Graham Polak or Ashley Sampi or McDougall...or we could use our first pick to pick the best available midfielder to go with the two we picked up this year and the likes of Brock Obrien, Foster and Ibbotson...When Sandi goes down with a recurrence of OP and Nockers is gone who will do the rucking? Connelly? Gilmore?

 

[Judd4PM]

Palmer, Rich, Sandilands, Pavlich - stars to win us a flag

Agree whole heartedly, however, you wont finish last. Forget about it

 

[Judd4PM]

So, to summarise, we trade away the best ruck prospect we've got, who we have incidentally nursed through three years, risk running Sandilands into the ground for the next big thing...who may turn out to be Graham Polak or Ashley Sampi or McDougall...or we could use our first pick to pick the best available midfielder to go with the two we picked up this year and the likes of Brock Obrien, Foster and Ibbotson...When Sandi goes down with a recurrence of OP and Nockers is gone who will do the rucking? Connelly? Gilmore?

Daniel Rich will be a superstar. Go watch a game Subi plays this year, and then remind yourself that he is 17

How many ruckman have won GF's for their sides recently?

On a side note, Warcock is better than Sandilands

 

[Sman-21]

The reason Eagles got nothing for judd is because carlton tanked to take advantage of the draft.

They had already made a deal with richmond that if the eagles played hardball they would just deal with richmond to make them not pick judd with there first pick an they can then get judd with pick 2.
Eagles would have got absolutely nothing for him and carlton would have just traded an average player an given up some draft picks.
Eagles had to take whatever carltank were willing to offer or else the eagles would have got nothing for him.

So clubs would be willing to trade #1 draft picks its just carlton thannks to their tanking had all there bonus picks to take advantage.

I dont think giving uo a few players for a #1 draft pick is worth it though no matter how good he turns out to be.
Any1 in the top 20 is probably going to be a fairly good player so that will do.

 

[dominguez]

How many ruckman have won GF's for their sides recently?

There hasn't been a ruckman dominate on grand final day for a while, but the last 4 premiers all had one of the best ruck combinations in the competition in their premiership year.

Hard to see those premiership sides get to a grand final with Daniel Gilmore and Kepler Bradley as their two ruckmen, which would be our combination if Warnock left and Sandilands got injured.

 

[dominguez]

The reason Eagles got nothing for judd is because carlton tanked to take advantage of the draft.

They had already made a deal with richmond that if the eagles played hardball they would just deal with richmond to make them not pick judd with there first pick an they can then get judd with pick 2.
Eagles would have got absolutely nothing for him and carlton would have just traded an average player an given up some draft picks.
Eagles had to take whatever carltank were willing to offer or else the eagles would have got nothing for him.

So clubs would be willing to trade #1 draft picks its just carlton thannks to their tanking had all there bonus picks to take advantage.

The problem is that if Warnock hypothetically wanted to go home and we wanted pick one or two for him to get Rich that club would also have pick one or two in the PSD so we would get shafted on Warnock just like the eagles did with Judd.

Every club uses the first pick in the PSD as leverage during trade week when they finish bottom. Hawthorn refused to talk to us during trade week in 2002 because they were unhappy with what they got for McPharlin when we finished bottom 12 months earlier. Same thing happened when Troy Simmonds and Graham Polak left to go to Richmond, they had all the bargaining power.

 

[sabre_ac]

We will have to trade Warnock, plain and simple.

I am not willing to do that.

 

[anti.]

national draft

freo > west coast

rookie draft

west coast > freo

We both lead the competition in this area.

Trading

West Coast > > > Freo

That is how it sits

still not sure about you guys being better than us in the national draft.

i'll go from 2002, since thats sort've a relevant period and is pretty much what our teams are made of.

2002
P.Johnson, Staker, Selwood
Schammer, Greg Edgcumbe, Crowley, Doswell
2003
Waters, Butler, McConnell
Dunn, Murphy, Mundy, Campbell, Peake (f/s)
2004
Rosa, Lecras, Morton(F/S), B.Smith
Coppet, Stribling, Haines
2005
Hurn, McKinley, Spangher
Drum, Ibbotson, Warnock
2006
Brown, MacKenzie, Houlihan, Schofield, Thomson
Mourish, Collard, O'Brien
2007
Masten, Ebert, Notte, Selwood
Palmer, Hinkley, Mayne, Johnson, Bradley

i'd say 7 of those eagles are in our best 22. with 3 of them traded (johnson, McConnell and Morton). we delisted Brad Smith after doing 2 knees. the rest are still on the list. 14 of those players had debuted.

i think 5 of those freo players are in your best 22 (Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Warnock, Peake). 6 of those players were delisted by fremantle. none of them have been traded. im not sure how many of the freo guys have debuted because im not sure about some of the earlier ones if they had a few games here or there. but im sure 12 had debuted.

also taking into account west coast have finished higher than fremantle on the ladder on a regular basis giving you better draft picks than us i would say we would be about even if not west coast is better.

 

[The Night Shift]

Spending a lot of time here lately anti. Do you wanna switch clubs?

I thought this thread was about Daniel Rich than "my club is better than your club" stuff...

 

[chook2734]

still not sure about you guys being better than us in the national draft.

i'll go from 2002, since thats sort've a relevant period and is pretty much what our teams are made of.

2002
P.Johnson, Staker, Selwood
Schammer, Greg Edgcumbe, Crowley, Doswell
2003
Waters, Butler, McConnell
Dunn, Murphy, Mundy, Campbell, Peake (f/s)
2004
Rosa, Lecras, Morton(F/S), B.Smith
Coppet, Stribling, Haines
2005
Hurn, McKinley, Spangher
Drum, Ibbotson, Warnock
2006
Brown, MacKenzie, Houlihan, Schofield, Thomson
Mourish, Collard, O'Brien
2007
Masten, Ebert, Notte, Selwood
Palmer, Hinkley, Mayne, Johnson, Bradley

i'd say 7 of those eagles are in our best 22. with 3 of them traded (johnson, McConnell and Morton). we delisted Brad Smith after doing 2 knees. the rest are still on the list. 14 of those players had debuted.

i think 5 of those freo players are in your best 22 (Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Warnock, Peake). 6 of those players were delisted by fremantle. none of them have been traded. im not sure how many of the freo guys have debuted because im not sure about some of the earlier ones if they had a few games here or there. but im sure 12 had debuted.

also taking into account west coast have finished higher than fremantle on the ladder on a regular basis giving you better draft picks than us i would say we would be about even if not west coast is better.

I can't believe you had to put in so much work and research to come to such a conclusion anti. Haven't you got your weavils handbook on you giving you the rundown on reasons why the weavils are the best?

 

[Bender571]

still not sure about you guys being better than us in the national draft.

i'll go from 2002, since thats sort've a relevant period and is pretty much what our teams are made of.

2002
P.Johnson(24), Staker(37), Selwood(53)
Schammer(13), Greg Edgcumbe(48), Crowley(55), Doswell(63)
2003
Waters(11), Butler(20), McConnell(26)
Dunn(10), Murphy(12), Mundy(19), Campbell(27), Peake(43) (f/s)
2004
Rosa(29), Lecras(37), Morton(F/S)(44), B.Smith(57)
Coppet(59), Stribling(67), Haines(69)
2005
Hurn(13), McKinley(29), Spangher(34)
Drum(10), Ibbotson(26), Warnock(42)
2006
Brown(16), MacKenzie(29), Houlihan(43), Schofield(50), Thomson(80)
Mourish(77), Collard(31), O'Brien(52)
2007
Masten(3), Ebert(13), Notte(20), Selwood(22)
Palmer(7), Hinkley(24), Mayne(40), Johnson(55), Bradley(69)

i'd say 7 of those eagles are in our best 22. with 3 of them traded (johnson, McConnell and Morton). we delisted Brad Smith after doing 2 knees. the rest are still on the list. 14 of those players had debuted.

i think 5 of those freo players are in your best 22 (Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Warnock, Peake). 6 of those players were delisted by fremantle. none of them have been traded. im not sure how many of the freo guys have debuted because im not sure about some of the earlier ones if they had a few games here or there. but im sure 12 had debuted.

also taking into account west coast have finished higher than fremantle on the ladder on a regular basis giving you better draft picks than us i would say we would be about even if not west coast is better.

At the risk of derailing this thread I thought I better correct you.

We had better braft picks but traded many away. Over that time you had 22 picks, we had 23. If you add the pick numbers together your 22 = 690 for an average of 31.4, where as our 23 = 918 for an average 39.9

P.S. don't think I didn't notice you chose a time perod after all those average first round picks I pointed out earlier

 

[Silvagnis]

Rich will be wearing black'n'yellow or navy blue next year.

Will Rich be around at picks three to five?

West Aussies should remember Victoria have a few kids who can play and can't play WAFL or SANFL as juniors.

The Blues need a Michael Hurley more than we need a Daniel Rich.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

still not sure about you guys being better than us in the national draft.

i'll go from 2002, since thats sort've a relevant period and is pretty much what our teams are made of.

2002
P.Johnson, Staker, Selwood
Schammer, Greg Edgcumbe, Crowley, Doswell
2003
Waters, Butler, McConnell
Dunn, Murphy, Mundy, Campbell, Peake (f/s)
2004
Rosa, Lecras, Morton(F/S), B.Smith
Coppet, Stribling, Haines
2005
Hurn, McKinley, Spangher
Drum, Ibbotson, Warnock
2006
Brown, MacKenzie, Houlihan, Schofield, Thomson
Mourish, Collard, O'Brien
2007
Masten, Ebert, Notte, Selwood
Palmer, Hinkley, Mayne, Johnson, Bradley

i'd say 7 of those eagles are in our best 22. with 3 of them traded (johnson, McConnell and Morton). we delisted Brad Smith after doing 2 knees. the rest are still on the list. 14 of those players had debuted.

i think 5 of those freo players are in your best 22 (Schammer, Crowley, Mundy, Warnock, Peake). 6 of those players were delisted by fremantle. none of them have been traded. im not sure how many of the freo guys have debuted because im not sure about some of the earlier ones if they had a few games here or there. but im sure 12 had debuted.

also taking into account west coast have finished higher than fremantle on the ladder on a regular basis giving you better draft picks than us i would say we would be about even if not west coast is better.

oh i love it!

I said we were better than you *****! In one regard!

and we cop this?

and i think we are still better in the national draft than you are we have lost some good picks recently.

 

[sabre_ac]

At the risk of derailing this thread I thought I better correct you.

We had better braft picks but traded many away. Over that time you had 22 picks, we had 23. If you add the pick numbers together your 22 = 690 for an average of 31.4, where as our 23 = 918 for an average 39.9

P.S. don't think I didn't notice you chose a time perod after all those average first round picks I pointed out earlier

And the truth shall set you free!

 

[anti.]

my club is better at drafting than your club, standard.

 

[beaver fever]

How bout Pav?

Pavlich for Rich is not a reasonable trade. Fremantle would never do that.

 

[Bradesmaen]

my club is better at drafting than your club, standard.

And my male appendage is greater than yours... Is there a point to either of these? not really.

 

[Embers]

Hes so good he brings tears to my eyes. Best youngster in history. All we gotta do is wait til he gets homesick and let the battle begin

 

[bushie]

Hes so good he brings tears to my eyes.

We all know that making you cry like a bitch is hardly a challenge.

But I digress.

Have only seen Rich on the telly.

And he appears to be very good.

But he does seem very one-sided and lacking a yard or two of pace.

 

[Sman-21]

yet another reason why the draft should be a lottery.

Why should the best young talent in the country be destined to join the worst clubs in the country.

If he was a KPP it would be worth trading good players for him as they are hard to find.
Coz hes just a midfielder its really not worth trading lots to get him.
Can pick up others from draft that will be good players in midfield.

 

[Ysaye]

yet another reason why the draft should be a lottery.

Why should the best young talent in the country be destined to join the worst clubs in the country.

If he was a KPP it would be worth trading good players for him as they are hard to find.
Coz hes just a midfielder its really not worth trading lots to get him.
Can pick up others from draft that will be good players in midfield.

Thats what Freo has been saying for ages, and yet it is still yet to draft a star midfielder from further back in the draft (Though I am hoping Palmer proves me wrong). Bar Pav, Id probably be happy for the club to do a trade using any of the other freo player.

Having said that, if we miss out on Rich, I think Tom Swift would be a good concillation pick.

How did we get onto this topic anyway? 2008 Season hasn't even started and we are already the end of season draft.....

 

[eyeofthetiger]

guys lets face it.......
dan rich and natinui (spelling) will be in tigers colours and small chance of cousins pre season draft.

i really dont want to finish last though hopefully 15th or 14th with under 4 games some how.

i still reckon cotchin is the next big thng for us.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

But he does seem very one-sided and lacking a yard or two of pace.

He's also fairly small which would count against him in the "best youngster in history" stakes.

As you said though, still a freaking great prospect.

 

[Scotland]

RE: Fremantle vs West Coast drafting 2002-2007, trading surely has to come into any comparison. In that period Carr, Headland and Tarrant have become Dockers, and Stenglein and Chick Eagles. No real point in arguing who used which pick on which player without considering where each pick came from, and what other options were available/utilised at the time.

E.g. 2004 Rosa, LeCras, Morton(F/S), B.Smith vs Copping, Stribling, Haines is a massive 'har har we're better than you' win to WC on face value, however Freo acquired Josh Carr for their first 3 picks, and WC Stenglein for their first two in that trade period. If Copping, Stribling and Haines was all Freo got from an entire draft/trade period, I'd want the recruiters heads on a plate if I was a fan, however Josh Carr is in the top few important players at the club, and while 3 picks seemed over the odds, the 2004 draft wasn't that strong, and Freo have won on the deal big time.

That being said, this thread is meant to be about Daniel Rich, who is a lot younger than me, and much better at football. Caro has tipped us to finish 12th, so maybe if we fail to meet her lofty expectations we'll pick him up.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Any chance we could talk about football and not the end of the season at the start of the season? Its a bit earlyto be planning for the midfield before we actually see how the midfield go. This midfield won a string of games at the end of 2006 without too many problems, and then had a bunch of injuries in 2007 (Sandilands, M. Carr, Schammer, Peake.)

Lets wait to see how little Daniel goes at the U18's champs, and whether he grows and who else is around, and all that stuff.

Talk of trading Warnock for a midfielder is delusional. Even if we could get a No 1 pick for Warnock you'd want it for Naintanui and no one is going to trade Naintanui for Warnock (at this stage).