Daniel Wells

[Portia]

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=draft&spg=display&articleid=63404

An interesting excerpt....

His (Daniel Wells') journey into the elite bracket of junior players in the country began when he moved to Western Australia, from Port Lincoln in South Australia.

“I’m originally from South Australia. I was born in Port Lincoln and we moved over to WA in 1996, where I played with a junior club called the Kwinana Knights. I played with them from under 12s to under 15s and from there I was in the development squad with the Peel Thunder Football Club and it took me to another level I thought,” Wells said.

“I then played colts (with Peel Thunder) and then got elevated to the senior list and I was very surprised about that, but I took it on board and grabbed it with two hands and didn’t let go.”

While Wells said he was set to take a break after the camp, he indicated that he was prepared to move outside of Western Australia, as he said he would go where football takes him.

“I’ve spoken to Fremantle but not West Coast at the moment, but whatever happens and wherever it takes me, I’m just going to go, because footy is what I love. I’ll go wherever it takes me,” Wells said.

“(My family are) 100% behind me and they’re supporting me all the way and if I do go (interstate) they are going to stay in WA – but depending if I get homesick – I’ll try and get them over to wherever I am.”[/B]

Wouldn't take too much to convince him to come over and stay a Port boy, you'd have to reckon Might be worth trading up.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

According to media reports Port did speak with him, so they might well share your thoughts Porthos.

 

[Portia]

French, Bishop, #15 & #47 for the #1, what do you reckon? French fills their ruck problem, Bishop their tall defender problem, while relieving us of two of our own.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

It's a good fit for both clubs, but I'm not sure the players are high profile enough for Carlton to bite ... even with the extra draft picks thrown in. Would you offer the deal to St Kilda (they'll likely have to replace Everitt) for pick 3, taking a punt that Carlton go for two Victorians with the first two picks?

 

[Barmera roo]

Bishop is a gun, don't be so stupid!

 

[Portia]

High profile or not, they've been top 18 players for two years.....Carlton in the more recent past haven't traded solely for name players.

As for doing it for the #3, St Kilda wouldn't want that kind of package - key positions are no weakness for them at the minute.

 

[kaysee]

Originally posted by Porthos
French, Bishop, #15 & #47 for the #1, what do you reckon? French fills their ruck problem, Bishop their tall defender problem, while relieving us of two of our own.

I think that is a bit too much .... 4 players (2 starting players plus 2nd and 4th round picks) for the 1 player who is a highly skilled, unproven, mid sized player... seems far too much.

It is not like he is a key position player who are hard to come by.

We have plenty of skillful mid sized players and will come across plenty more. Key position players are always in demand though.

SKC

 

[Portia]

It might be a tad generous, or a tad not. I reckon its around the mark though.

With our list, while Bishop and French may be short term losses, we would be confident of being able to replace them in our top 18 with not much loss over all.

As for skilled mid-size players.....most of the best players in the competition meet this description.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by Porthos
High profile or not, they've been top 18 players for two years.....Carlton in the more recent past haven't traded solely for name players.

As for doing it for the #3, St Kilda wouldn't want that kind of package - key positions are no weakness for them at the minute.

Bishop was still playing footy at South Adelaide last year IIRC, and French missed much of last year with injury and this year probably came off the bench more often than not, so I wouldn't call either of them top 18 players for the past two years.

Carlton's trading practices of the recent past is what has brought them undone in recent times and how they use the first two picks will be closely scrutinised - especially with the political upheaval going on there at the moment.

Who would St Kilda use at full back? Fraser Gehrig? - assuming a fit Riewoldt and Koschitzke next year. Could they still use Bishop in that case? Or could you reconfigure the trade to suit them more if Carlton didn't bite?

I think it's a reasonable trade from Port's viewpoint - the draft picks aren't particularly high, and it is meant to be a shallow draft. One out of Wells, Goddard, Salopek or Schammer would be a pretty handy pick up. I would like to see us recapture a couple of draft picks in other trades though, if we were to give 15 and 47 away.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Bishop was still playing footy at South Adelaide last year IIRC, and French missed much of last year with injury and this year probably came off the bench more often than not, so I wouldn't call either of them top 18 players for the past two years.

Fair call, it seems so long ago since Bishop was at South. As for Bishop, I didn't think he missed more than maybe four games with injury.

Carlton's trading practices of the recent past is what has brought them undone in recent times and how they use the first two picks will be closely scrutinised - especially with the political upheaval going on there at the moment.

True enough. It may look too much like an old deal for them to trade for that...the appearance would be that nothing had changed.

Who would St Kilda use at full back? Fraser Gehrig? - assuming a fit Riewoldt and Koschitzke next year. Could they still use Bishop in that case? Or could you reconfigure the trade to suit them more if Carlton didn't bite?

Gehrig, Koschitzke, Hudghton would be the main three.

The main reason for bringing up the trade was that Carlton seemed to be in the market for a tall defender and ruckman, which are what we have an excess of. As usual, this is silly season stuff.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Like I said, I thought it was a reasonable trade and worth raising seeing as it looks like it would be worthwhile getting a top 3 or even 4 draft pick.

 

[Port01]

You'll disappoint poor old Russell if you trade away our third round pick

 

[Portia]

Not if we pick Brett up with our fourth

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by Port01
You'll disappoint poor old Russell if you trade away our third round pick

We'll get it back when we trade Michael Stevens to North

 

[mic59]

I wouldn't reccomend this move, but as we are talking about getting the #1 pick for Daniel Wells I'll put my oar in. Hawthorn managed to get the #1 pick last year by giving up Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin. I can't see why we would have to give up more than French and a useful small player. I'm thinking Guerra along those lines. Not that I'd want to lose him but he would have more value to him than others who have played less. Or Carlton may prefer Schofield.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by mic59
I wouldn't reccomend this move, but as we are talking about getting the #1 pick for Daniel Wells I'll put my oar in. Hawthorn managed to get the #1 pick last year by giving up Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin. I can't see why we would have to give up more than French and a useful small player.

Because unlike Croad and McPharlin, French and Bishop are unfashionably 26 and over.

 

[blackdiamond]

Originally posted by mic59
I wouldn't reccomend this move, but as we are talking about getting the #1 pick for Daniel Wells I'll put my oar in. Hawthorn managed to get the #1 pick last year by giving up Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin. I can't see why we would have to give up more than French and a useful small player. I'm thinking Guerra along those lines. Not that I'd want to lose him but he would have more value to him than others who have played less. Or Carlton may prefer Schofield.

You can't trade Guerra, we would have to pull down the stands if that happened.

Also I wouldn't be trading Bishop even though he is 26, he is the only tall defender that gives us any run out of defence. We would also miss his speed as well to play on the likes of Tarrant as well.

Give them Kingsley or the ****y instead!

 

[Portmanteau]

We'd have to ship Nick Stevens, French and our #15 at the very least, in order to land Wells.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Guey_34
We'd have to ship Nick Stevens, French and our #15 at the very least, in order to land Wells.

You're woefully underrating Nick Stevens there. By himself he would merit a #1.

He's better than Headland, Fraser & Johnstone, probably ahead of Gardiner too.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by Porthos
You're woefully underrating Nick Stevens there. By himself he would merit a #1.

He's better than Headland, Fraser & Johnstone, probably ahead of Gardiner too.

No, I'm not underrating Stevens. He's one of our better players, and that - plus more, is what will be required to ascertain future #1 picks, particularly from a team that will be as stingy in the near future as Carlton.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Guey_34
No, I'm not underrating Stevens. He's one of our better players, and that - plus more, is what will be required to ascertain future #1 picks, particularly from a team that will be as stingy in the near future as Carlton.

So you're predicting that a #1 pick will never be traded again then, I see.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by Porthos
So you're predicting that a #1 pick will never be traded again then, I see.

Unless it involves a star returning home, i.e. Chris Judd, Nick Riewoldt... then no.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Guey_34
Unless it involves a star returning home, i.e. Chris Judd, Nick Riewoldt... then no.

Interesting theory.

Also that you don't reckon Nick Stevens matches Judd.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by Porthos
Because unlike Croad and McPharlin, French and Bishop are unfashionably 26 and over.

Yes, French is over 26 but I wasn't including Bishop in my suggested trade but someone like Guerra. Maybe a late draft pick would also be required as an extra sweetener, but I would be very careful in trading too much.

 

[Portmanteau]

Originally posted by Porthos
Interesting theory.

Also that you don't reckon Nick Stevens matches Judd.

At the moment, I'd say Stevens would just be above, but as far as age versus progress is concerned... it'd cost a Victorian club more to trade for Judd rather than Stevens.