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I think being young plays a role in this , when you’re young you can’t imagine life 30 years away....they are ignorant of the consequences of poor health in their later years.
it’s not a sport thing
I only got a couple of concussions playing footy (rugby league) but they were heavy and while I think the effects of it would have been fairly minor if I had a ‘normal’ life I am starting to see the effects of it now that I am going through a lot of personal upheaval and yes, a battle with depression.
I don’t think in any way that the depression is linked to my concussion (for all I know it could be but it’s more to do with personal circumstances IMO) however when my depression is at its worst or my behaviour at its most manic, I am prone to explosions of erratic behaviour that previously I simply wouldn’t have entertained.
it is certainly a real issue and I’m glad that out of the tragedy of DF’s death, something worthwhile may result
I don’t think in any way that the depression is linked to my concussion (for all I know it could be but it’s more to do with personal circumstances IMO) however when my depression is at its worst or my behaviour at its most manic, I am prone to explosions of erratic behaviour that previously I simply wouldn’t have entertained.
it is certainly a real issue and I’m glad that out of the tragedy of DF’s death, something worthwhile may result
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Frawley killed himself, had depression, had CTE from playing football. You seem keen on downplaying the connection.
Wary of drawing direct links. The obvious message inferred by the headlines is for parents not to let their kids play footy because it's inherently dangerous.
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You're being wilfully ignorant, and you're acting as though Frawley's was the first CTE diagnosis in contact sport. It's not, and it's not even the first in AFL.
Footy is inherently dangerous, which is why the problem needs to be acknowledged - only then will we start doing the research that will allow sporting codes to start making changes to overcome it, or at least to minimise the risk.
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It has been acknowledged and the AFL has made changes to try and minimise the risk, but unless they ban all contact, there is always going to be a risk.
Like 1000's of everyday life things, unless we live in bubbles, there is a risk.
What do you want to do about it? Research is in its relative infancy. The theory goes that It's not the big hits that do the damage, but hundreds or thousands of smaller sub-concussive knocks. Do you want to put a warning on footy gear a la cigarette packets?
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Deaths and illnesses from smoking have reduced dramatically since warnings were put on cigarette packs.
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And what would you want to do about? Just do nothing?
resersch is needed to prevent future cases, parents have a right to have an informed choice about what their children play...if it destroys contact sport so be it.
there’s a bigger picture at play here
You can see the NFL made dramatic changes in their ruling interpretations after CTE became a very big problem after decades of research.
The concern for me though, the athletes are becoming finely tuned with each passing decade. You were considered a freak if you ran a 4.4 at the 40 metre dash combine, nowadays, it's not uncommon to run such times.
With speed and such velocity, you will always get head knocks no matter how much you try and prevent it from happening.
I will say this though, I am not sure what the statistics say but to me, it does not appear we see as many concussions in the AFL today. Feels like we get maybe one a week, sometimes none for a fortnight.
Go back 20+ years and concussions appeared to be quite common.
I don't know what should be done, but not advocating rushing into any big decisions until more is known.
I think we know a lot already but we're trying to ignore the obvious truth, that over time contact sports are going to see massive falls in participation as kids and parents get scared of brain injuries.
Once more facts come out it's only going to get worse. There is no outcome here that isn't a disaster for head-knock sports.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/sports/cte-bennet-omalu/
This isn't even definite science yet.
This isn't even definite science yet.
Interesting character. Article paints him as a medical Al Gore. At best.
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That's not what is says.
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We've always known about CTE to some degree. It is literally just the modern term for punch drunk. Don't get me wrong, understanding and awareness has grown, but we've always known the basic equation.
People like to drop their monocle in their champagne and pretend it's some major revelation that getting hit in the head repeatedly is bad for you. But the reality is that we pay to watch people get hit for nothing more than a brief respite from our own meaningless lives, knowing they could get seriously hurt. They take the money and fame and trade off the risk of their long-term health. We are all consenting adults here, even if we are bigger scumbags than we like to admit.
There needs to be significant research on the specifics of mitigation strategies - how much time players should rest in between concussions etc and from a medical perspective on strategies for long-term treatment. We don't need the distraction of the idiotic hysteria that portrays this as a new phenomenon, not something we have been well aware of for at least a century.
People like to drop their monocle in their champagne and pretend it's some major revelation that getting hit in the head repeatedly is bad for you. But the reality is that we pay to watch people get hit for nothing more than a brief respite from our own meaningless lives, knowing they could get seriously hurt. They take the money and fame and trade off the risk of their long-term health. We are all consenting adults here, even if we are bigger scumbags than we like to admit.
There needs to be significant research on the specifics of mitigation strategies - how much time players should rest in between concussions etc and from a medical perspective on strategies for long-term treatment. We don't need the distraction of the idiotic hysteria that portrays this as a new phenomenon, not something we have been well aware of for at least a century.
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Yeah no, it does. It says experts can’t agree on the identification and categorisation and they can’t determine when it starts.
Primum non nocere: a call for balance when reporting on CTE
As clinicians and researchers in traumatic brain injury and neurodegeneration, we are concerned by the tone of reporting on chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) that has developed over the past decade, highlighted in an article in The New York Times.1 Misleading reporting can have unintended...
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“Contrary to common perception, the clinical syndrome of CTE has not yet been fully defined,
2 its prevalence is unknown, and the neuropathological diagnostic criteria are no more than preliminary.”
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Random bump but I was reading an article about a recently retired Rugby Union player who has been diagnosed with dementia and one of the quotes reminded me very much of something Danny had said previously.
"Mel wanted him to see a doctor. He told her not to worry, that it was just he was feeling stress. Then he had the blackout. He was out on a bike ride, a 25-mile loop he had done countless times. Halfway round, he had no idea where he was. He stopped, sat on the side of the road, called home, and Mel told him to cycle back the way he came."
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"The most frightening thing happened when I was at the MCG one afternoon," he said. "I called [my wife] Anita up after a game. I was sitting in the car park, behind the wheel. I had no idea where to go, or what to do. I was lost. I had to call my wife up to work out how to get home from the MCG. I’d been driving home from the MCG for 30 years, and I didn’t know if I should turn left or right," he said.
There have been a series of articles about Rugby Union players with similar stories in the Guardian. Although CTE can only be diagnosed in people who have died I wonder if we will be seeing ex footy players diagnosed with early onset Dementia which will be linked to CTE.
"Mel wanted him to see a doctor. He told her not to worry, that it was just he was feeling stress. Then he had the blackout. He was out on a bike ride, a 25-mile loop he had done countless times. Halfway round, he had no idea where he was. He stopped, sat on the side of the road, called home, and Mel told him to cycle back the way he came."
Alix Popham: ‘We knew our bodies would be in bits. We had no clue our brains were'
The former Wales back-rower was diagnosed with early onset dementia this year aged 40 and is frustrated the game he still loves – despite what it has done to him – has not been made safer
"The most frightening thing happened when I was at the MCG one afternoon," he said. "I called [my wife] Anita up after a game. I was sitting in the car park, behind the wheel. I had no idea where to go, or what to do. I was lost. I had to call my wife up to work out how to get home from the MCG. I’d been driving home from the MCG for 30 years, and I didn’t know if I should turn left or right," he said.
There have been a series of articles about Rugby Union players with similar stories in the Guardian. Although CTE can only be diagnosed in people who have died I wonder if we will be seeing ex footy players diagnosed with early onset Dementia which will be linked to CTE.
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Random bump but I was reading an article about a recently retired Rugby Union player who has been diagnosed with dementia and one of the quotes reminded me very much of something Danny had said previously.
"Mel wanted him to see a doctor. He told her not to worry, that it was just he was feeling stress. Then he had the blackout. He was out on a bike ride, a 25-mile loop he had done countless times. Halfway round, he had no idea where he was. He stopped, sat on the side of the road, called home, and Mel told him to cycle back the way he came."
Alix Popham: ‘We knew our bodies would be in bits. We had no clue our brains were'
The former Wales back-rower was diagnosed with early onset dementia this year aged 40 and is frustrated the game he still loves – despite what it has done to him – has not been made safer
"The most frightening thing happened when I was at the MCG one afternoon," he said. "I called [my wife] Anita up after a game. I was sitting in the car park, behind the wheel. I had no idea where to go, or what to do. I was lost. I had to call my wife up to work out how to get home from the MCG. I’d been driving home from the MCG for 30 years, and I didn’t know if I should turn left or right," he said.
There have been a series of articles about Rugby Union players with similar stories in the Guardian. Although CTE can only be diagnosed in people who have died I wonder if we will be seeing ex footy players diagnosed with early onset Dementia which will be linked to CTE.
rugby league and rugby union, as sports will be finished.
you can't have criminal negligence resulting in gaol time, for directors, and health issues like this. Something has to give and I can guarantee repealing laws won't happen.
AFL will also be at risk but at least it can modify the game to become more like Gaelic footy or soccer.
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