Player Watch Darcy Moore

[TradeDraft]

Moore may not kick five goals again for another two years.

Moore in the same class as White/Gault? I'd hope he develops into someone substantially better than that!

Hogan looks like he will become best in the game great.

If Moore becomes a best 10 in the game key forward I'd be doing cartwheels.

I mean the Same Class in his Prime as Roughead and Riewoldt

So you see Hogan becoming a Guy who Could Kick 100 Goals in the Season and Push 800-1000 Goals Career Good?

I see you UnderEsitmate how Good Moore could be. I say he could be as good as his Dad. Won't win the Brownlow as Talls don't win them.

Moore could also Kick 5 or More in RD 1 vs Swans

 

[TradeDraft]

There were some signs of Moores potential, and i really some of the things in his game, even without the production, we cant kid ourselves about what his actual outpat last year.
The clearest thing to do is compare Moore with White. Now Darcy has the potential, but White was probably twice the player last year - and yet White was the one most fans wanted dropped.

IF White was Twice the Player of Moore last year. Then why was he Dropped?

 

[Knightmare]

I mean the Same Class in his Prime as Roughead and Riewoldt

So you see Hogan becoming a Guy who Could Kick 100 Goals in the Season and Push 800-1000 Goals Career Good?

I see you UnderEsitmate how Good Moore could be. I say he could be as good as his Dad. Won't win the Brownlow as Talls don't win them.

Moore could also Kick 5 or More in RD 1 vs Swans

Hogan can become something like Jonathan Brown would be a reasonable career projection, and the hope would be that Hogan remains at his best for longer and has a better run with injuries as Brown only from 2007-2010 played great football.

100 goals is hard in this modern era where better help defence is provided with the game not simply the 1v1 battle it once was, and it's only made even more difficult by the taller, stronger and more athletic modern defenders.

Hogan may have a 90 goal season or maybe one-two 80 goal seasons, but as more a centre half forward than a stay at home full forward I say he probably fails to reach 100 in a season. But I could be wrong.

With Hogan I'd be looking for something around 200 marks and 65 goals each season as that target outcome which he can hit several times during his career if things go right.

I'd say it's more likely that Moore goes without any goals in round one than kicking five. Those fives goals were an outlier and if that's what you think you'll get regularly from him next year you'll be walking away disappointed every week. He can in time be excellent, but until he kicks multiple goals every week and pulls down lots of big marks. I'm not prepared to go into fan-boy mode and overestimate what he can deliver in the immediate. If Moore averages 1.5 goals a game and/or kicks 30 goals and has a 100 mark season. I'd be really pleased. But even that next season feels beyond him next season until he shows me otherwise with his numbers a long way off even that.

 

[AmellyPies]

Hogan can become something like Jonathan Brown would be a reasonable career projection, and the hope would be that Hogan remains at his best for longer and has a better run with injuries as Brown only from 2007-2010 played great football.

100 goals is hard in this modern era where better help defence is provided with the game not simply the 1v1 battle it once was, and it's only made even more difficult by the taller, stronger and more athletic modern defenders.

Hogan may have a 90 goal season or maybe one-two 80 goal seasons, but as more a centre half forward than a stay at home full forward I say he probably fails to reach 100 in a season. But I could be wrong.

With Hogan I'd be looking for something around 200 marks and 65 goals each season as that target outcome which he can hit several times during his career if things go right.

I'd say it's more likely that Moore goes without any goals in round one than kicking five. Those fives goals were an outlier and if that's what you think you'll get regularly from him next year you'll be walking away disappointed every week. He can in time be excellent, but until he kicks multiple goals every week and pulls down lots of big marks. I'm not prepared to go into fan-boy mode and overestimate what he can deliver in the immediate. If Moore averages 1.5 goals a game and/or kicks 30 goals and has a 100 mark season. I'd be really pleased. But even that next season feels beyond him next season until he shows me otherwise with his numbers a long way off even that.

Yeah no, still underselling him.

 

[mike123]

There were some signs of Moores potential, and i really some of the things in his game, even without the production, we cant kid ourselves about what his actual outpat last year.
The clearest thing to do is compare Moore with White. Now Darcy has the potential, but White was probably twice the player last year - and yet White was the one most fans wanted dropped.

I can't agree with that, Moore's competitiveness puts him ahead of White. White didn't impact enough contests, Moore tried to bring the ball to ground like his life dependent on it and gives our small forwards a chance to crumb.

Moore's also more effective when the ball hits the ground. Moore >>>>>>>>>>>> White already IMO.

 

[Robroy22]

I reckon I'll take that bet....I reckon young Darcy can be a better player than young Hogan. His athleticism will take him a long way but his intellect and his willingness to learn will take him even further. He can play a lot more spots on the field (already) than Hogan and FF's like Hogan are often hamstrung by the delivery and "smarts" of their midfield. If Hogan was at Hawthorn....yeah he'd be a certain gun, at the Dees he'll take his 7 marks a game but many of them will be on the wing.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'd say it's more likely that Moore goes without any goals in round one than kicking five. Those fives goals were an outlier and if that's what you think you'll get regularly from him next year you'll be walking away disappointed every week. He can in time be excellent, but until he kicks multiple goals every week and pulls down lots of big marks. I'm not prepared to go into fan-boy mode and overestimate what he can deliver in the immediate. If Moore averages 1.5 goals a game and/or kicks 30 goals and has a 100 mark season. I'd be really pleased. But even that next season feels beyond him next season until he shows me otherwise with his numbers a long way off even that.

I just don't look at Stats to how I predict a Players Future. I feel Stats don't tell Moore's Whole Story.

He made lot of Contents and put his Influence on Them.

His Improvement over 2 years has been massive and there is nothing to say it will stop now.

His Passion he has for the Club and to get Better.

I am sticking with Moore becoming a Very Special Player and not just looking at Stats

 

[TradeDraft]

I can't agree with that, Moore's competitiveness puts him ahead of White. White didn't impact enough contests, Moore tried to bring the ball to ground like his life dependent on it and gives our small forwards a chance to crumb.

Moore's also more effective when the ball hits the ground. Moore >>>>>>>>>>>> White already IMO.

Agree and That shows Stats don't tell the Whole Story

 

[Knightmare]

I reckon I'll take that bet....I reckon young Darcy can be a better player than young Hogan. His athleticism will take him a long way but his intellect and his willingness to learn will take him even further. He can play a lot more spots on the field (already) than Hogan and FF's like Hogan are often hamstrung by the delivery and "smarts" of their midfield. If Hogan was at Hawthorn....yeah he'd be a certain gun, at the Dees he'll take his 7 marks a game but many of them will be on the wing.

Great full forwards can be on terrible teams and still be great. Fevola is the recent enough example of this with Carlton. It's harder on a bad team, but not out of the question if they're good enough.

I'll back Hogan in with Jeremy Cameron probably that second best overall young key forward that I'd be looking to next and certainly ahead of Moore injuries permitting as with Hogan.

 

[Knightmare]

I just don't look at Stats to how I predict a Players Future. I feel Stats don't tell Moore's Whole Story.

He made lot of Contents and put his Influence on Them.

His Improvement over 2 years has been massive and there is nothing to say it will stop now.

His Passion he has for the Club and to get Better.

I am sticking with Moore becoming a Very Special Player and not just looking at Stats

The best formula in my view for predicting the potential of key forwards is a blend of rate of improvement, production and points of difference. Those that tick each box and most emphatically have it in each area are those who become the best pro key forwards.

Moore has the rate of improvement and points of difference with the production still lacking. Hogan on the other hand ticks all three as he has improved rapidly, has the production and also has his points of difference that allow him to be a dominant key forward.

Moore is a clear tier down from Hogan on talent.

It's like comparing Drew Petrie to Jonathon Brown at their best. That's the rough disparity you're looking at between Moore and Hogan. You'd be more than happy with what a Petrie or equivalent can do, but you'd take Brown any day of the week if given the choice given the best in the competition level dominance he displayed at his best.

 

[TradeDraft]

The best formula in my view for predicting the potential of key forwards is a blend of rate of improvement, production and points of difference. Those that tick each box and most emphatically have it in each area are those who become the best pro key forwards.

Moore has the rate of improvement and points of difference with the production still lacking. Hogan on the other hand ticks all three as he has improved rapidly, has the production and also has his points of difference that allow him to be a dominant key forward.

Moore is a clear tier down from Hogan on talent.

It's like comparing Drew Petrie to Jonathon Brown at their best. That's the rough disparity you're looking at between Moore and Hogan. You'd be more than happy with what a Petrie or equivalent can do, but you'd take Brown any day of the week if given the choice given the best in the competition level dominance he displayed at his best.

I disagree that Moore is Clearly Tier Down on Hogan. Sorry but I disagree. I see Moore and Hogan both being Top End Forwards of the Competition.

Moore has played Half a Season and Only Started playing Forward Half-Way thru the Season. He played Pre-Season and Start of Season down Back and Did looks good down back as well. So too early to Call on the Production stage yet.

Hogan been playing Senior Footy Longer and Been in the AFL System a few year longer. So he has a Head Start on Moore.

Hogan also has to do it again this Season

 

[AmellyPies]

The best formula in my view for predicting the potential of key forwards is a blend of rate of improvement, production and points of difference. Those that tick each box and most emphatically have it in each area are those who become the best pro key forwards.

Moore has the rate of improvement and points of difference with the production still lacking. Hogan on the other hand ticks all three as he has improved rapidly, has the production and also has his points of difference that allow him to be a dominant key forward.

Moore is a clear tier down from Hogan on talent.

It's like comparing Drew Petrie to Jonathon Brown at their best. That's the rough disparity you're looking at between Moore and Hogan. You'd be more than happy with what a Petrie or equivalent can do, but you'd take Brown any day of the week if given the choice given the best in the competition level dominance he displayed at his best.

Drew Petrie to Jonathan Brown? Moore is more athletic than both already.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Moore may not kick five goals again for another two years.

Moore in the same class as White/Gault? I'd hope he develops into someone substantially better than that!

Hogan looks like he will become best in the game great.

If Moore becomes a best 10 in the game key forward I'd be doing cartwheels.

I have been following this game for the best part of 40 years and I can tell you have undersold Moore's ability. He will be an A grader in due course, the only thing that is unknown is how long we will need to waite for him to reach his potential.
He is strong mark, has a straight kick and is athletic. He comes from great pedigree and is level headed with and has a very mature head on his shoulders. He will work his butt off to get the best out of him self.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Drew Petrie to Jonathan Brown? Moore is more athletic than both already.

Moore is a significant upgrade on Drew Petrie. Jonathan Brown is a different build to Darcy Moore. Moore is more athletic but Brown was a more powerful type of player. We can only hope that Moore can develop his power game to a similar level as Jonathan Brown by carriers end.

 

[ottoman]

I think Moore will be much better than Petrie. And I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes better than Hogan.
some people are saying he didn't produce much in his first 9 games. From my perspective what I saw was a kid who is going to be something special. I don't normally jump on the bandwagon with players but Moore has me seriously excited.

 

[TradeDraft]

Moore and Petrie at Same Age:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=4023&tid2=13&pid2=153&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O

 

[Knightmare]

Drew Petrie to Jonathan Brown? Moore is more athletic than both already.

Being athletic is handy but not enough as per Jesse White. Moore is also better than both at ground level. But has developing to do overhead and 1v1 before he is in the same conversation with either.

I have been following this game for the best part of 40 years and I can tell you have undersold Moore ability. He will be an A grader in due course, the only thing that is unknown is how long we will need to weight for him to reach his potential.
He is strong mark, has a straight kick and is athletic. He comes from great pedigree and is level headed with and has a very mature head on his shoulders.

Your interpretation of my comments is not as intended.

Moore can be an A-grader. That's achievable for him.

My comments are he won't become THE premier key forward in the game and it's going to take a few years before he becomes a good AFL standard key forward as is the case with pretty much all key forwards.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Dave, I honestly don't believe you have the capacity for impartial assessment here. Moore's 5 goal game was an exception, rather than his norm. Outside of that game he showed that he really wasn't actually ready for AFL, struggling for both goals and possessions at AFL level (and to be frank, at VFL level as well...).

Moore has shown more in his first 9 games that Buddy Franklin ever did.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Being athletic is handy but not enough as per Jesse White. Moore is also better than both at ground level. But has developing to do overhead and 1v1 before he is in the same conversation with either.



Your interpretation of my comments is not as intended.

Moore can be an A-grader. That's achievable for him.

My comments are he won't become THE premier key forward in the game and it's going to take a few years before he becomes a good AFL standard key forward as is the case with pretty much all key forwards.

Fair enough.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Moore has shown more in his first 9 games that Buddy Franklin ever did.

That doesn't mean he will be anywhere as good as Buddy...

 

[AmellyPies]

Being athletic is handy but not enough as per Jesse White. Moore is also better than both at ground level. But has developing to do overhead and 1v1 before he is in the same conversation with either.

FFS.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

moore will in time be a very fine player for us.
I think what this discussion is really about it the time line.
Personally Darcy is a few years away, but I would give him games because in time he will be very good.

Fatten him up - time, patience, excellent player.

(Hogan?well if we had him, now that would be pancake parlour, lovely)

 

[didaksrightfoot]

IF White was Twice the Player of Moore last year. Then why was he Dropped?

Because Buckley & the selection panel were clearly making decisions with the future in mind.

I can't agree with that, Moore's competitiveness puts him ahead of White. White didn't impact enough contests, Moore tried to bring the ball to ground like his life dependent on it and gives our small forwards a chance to crumb.

Moore's also more effective when the ball hits the ground. Moore >>>>>>>>>>>> White already IMO.

Then we will have to agree to disagree.
I think you are stuck with the black-and-white glasses that many of bigfooty show.

White is clearly a superior player to Moore at this stage. I really dont see any evidence at all to suggest that that isn't true. Outside 1 quarter/half in a blowout loss, Moore actually produced very little this year. As i said, i am optimistic about his future and he showed the qualities you want in a young KPF, but dont mistake that with what level he is actually at right now.

 

[TradeDraft]

My comments are he won't become THE premier key forward in the game and it's going to take a few years before he becomes a good AFL standard key forward as is the case with pretty much all key forwards.

A player is never THE Premier Key Forward as that can change in matter of a few games

 

[TradeDraft]

Because Buckley & the selection panel were clearly making decisions with the future in mind.



Then we will have to agree to disagree.
I think you are stuck with the black-and-white glasses that many of bigfooty show.

White is clearly a superior player to Moore at this stage. I really dont any evidence at all to suggest that that isn't true. Outside 1 quarter/half in a blowout loss, Moore actually produced very little this year. As i said, i am optomistic about his future and he showed the qualities you want in a young KPF, but dont mistake that with what level he is actually at right now.

So White is a Superstar then and Him being Dropped was the Reason for our 2nd Half Drop out Then Mate?