Recommitted Darcy Parish - re-signed until 2028!

[eth-dog]

Essendon's 2023 FRP and Parish to Gold Coast for Ben King, who says no?

Both, I'd assume.

We're not at the stage of going after the Ben King types. Add an Archer Reid and maybe trade the Parish compo for a Callaghan type (maybe with our second with something coming back) and then look at King when he's OOC at the end of 2024.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

If we can get a Cripps/Bontempli type mid in return only way I would trade Parish

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Essendon's 2023 FRP and Parish to Gold Coast for Ben King, who says no?

Darcy Parish would say no.

 

[Mostyn]

No s**t, Sherlock. Teams that aren't prepared to pay enough for band 1 will be prepared for option 2.

Just because you hate Essendon and want him to be band 2 or 3 doesn't mean he will be.

Then Essendon and Parish should be prepared for option 3 - Essendon match a $600k offer and Parish stays.

He's not worth more than that, and he's not worth giving up a first round pick in a trade.

 

[eth-dog]

Then Essendon and Parish should be prepared for option 3 - Essendon match a $600k offer and Parish stays.

He's not worth more than that, and he's not worth giving up a first round pick in a trade.

He's already on that, dude. Teams pay overs for free agents. It happens regularly.

Also that team would be stupid to do so. Do you want to get the reputation for chasing a free agent and then not stumping up when the other side matches? It'll affect a side's long term viability to sign these guys.

 

[freddy mercury]

If Parish as a RFA doesn't net Essendon a Band 1 compo then they'd force a trade. Saad netted Essendon a top 10 pick so no doubt Parish would too.

No doubt.

 

[Mostyn]

He's already on that, dude. Teams pay overs for free agents. It happens regularly.

Also that team would be stupid to do so. Do you want to get the reputation for chasing a free agent and then not stumping up when the other side matches? It'll affect a side's long term viability to sign these guys.

It doesn't matter what he was previously on. It matters what he is worth.

Teams aren't approaching free agents with offers where they're happy to pay twice - both in salary and draft picks.

The offer is for a free agent. If the team matches, he stays - this is exactly what St Kilda would have done if the Crows matched Crouch, and it happens in other sports all the time.

 

[Hamingja]

Then Essendon and Parish should be prepared for option 3 - Essendon match a $600k offer and Parish stays.

He's not worth more than that, and he's not worth giving up a first round pick in a trade.

He would be worth Geelong's first round pick but Essendon wouldn't accept that.

I'd say he will most likely sign with Essendon for 3 years to take him to UFA.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Essendon's 2023 FRP and Parish to Gold Coast for Ben King, who says no?

The Suns to start with. King is contracted until 2024 and won't be going anywhere.

 

[freddy mercury]

The Suns to start with. King is contracted until 2024 and won't be going anywhere.

Something about these king fellas that spell breakdown.

 

[eth-dog]

It doesn't matter what he was previously on. It matters what he is worth.

Teams aren't approaching free agents with offers where they're happy to pay twice - both in salary and draft picks.

The offer is for a free agent. If the team matches, he stays - this is exactly what St Kilda would have done if the Crows matched Crouch, and it happens in other sports all the time.

He'll get more than that, guarantee it. What he's on is also absolutely relevant, the fact you don't understand that is quite funny.

Teams have paid overs for Free Agents quite often. Especially restricted free agents to avoid teams matching and forcing a trade.

The offers that will come will be with the intent of making sure we don't match. It might happen in other sports but it hasn't happened here for a reason, because it's an extremely closed industry especially in comparison to most of the sports you're talking about.

 

[Mostyn]

He'll get more than that, guarantee it. What he's on is also absolutely relevant, the fact you don't understand that is quite funny.

Why is what he earned when he was younger and with greater upside still relevant?

That contract has nothing to do with what he'll get now. Parish is a finished footballer - he now is what he is. That's much easier to set a price on.

 

[eth-dog]

Why is what he earned when he was younger and with greater upside still relevant?

Why would his current salary be relevant for his next contract whilst he's at the beginning of his prime? Surely you aren't that dense?

 

[Mostyn]

Teams have paid overs for Free Agents quite often. Especially restricted free agents to avoid teams matching and forcing a trade.

The offers that will come will be with the intent of making sure we don't match. It might happen in other sports but it hasn't happened here for a reason, because it's an extremely closed industry especially in comparison to most of the sports you're talking about.

This is exactly the same situation as Brad Crouch. A player who was a B+F winner a couple of years earlier, and who a club doesn't want to retain.

He's worth $650k, tops. No one is overpaying just to guarantee getting him. They'll put an offer in, and Essendon won't match - just like the Crows didn't, and everyone other than GWS hasn't - because they don't want to keep him. If they did, they'd sign him now.

Since the Daniher scam, there's no way the league will turn a blind eye to any collusion to get you a better pick. That bridge has been burned, sadly.

 

[Mostyn]

Why would his current salary be relevant for his next contract whilst he's at the beginning of his prime? Surely you aren't that dense?

At his prime?

It's now clear everything that he is. He has zero upside.

His price is his price, and any previous overpays or contracts are completely irrelevant. Or do you just think players get increasingly larger deals until they retire?

 

[JasRulz63]

Having a chat to an Essendon fan about this the other day, I reckon Parish finds himself in a similar position to where Rockliff did, with the main difference being the rumoured culture stuff around Rockliff's captaincy and Rockliff being a year older.

On field, they're similar type of players with similar weaknesses. Both had made All-Australian once a few years prior to leaving, both have an equal 5th finish in the Brownlow. Both Brisbane when Rockliff left and Essendon are in similar positions. The motivation for letting Parish leave would be similar as it was for Rockliff.

Rockliff ended up leaving as a RFA (band 2 compensation) for a four year $650,000 contract which is similar to what I could see Parish getting to.

The interesting thing will be to see if Essendon are happy to keep him and thus a threat to match the offer that doesn't net band 1, or whether they think they're better off moving on from him.

 

[eth-dog]

This is exactly the same situation as Brad Crouch. A player who was a B+F winner a couple of years earlier, and who a club doesn't want to retain.

He's worth $650k, tops. No one is overpaying just to guarantee getting him. They'll put an offer in, and Essendon won't match - just like the Crows didn't, and everyone other than GWS hasn't - because they don't want to keep him. If they did, they'd sign him now.

Since the Daniher scam, there's no way the league will turn a blind eye to any collusion to get you a better pick. That bridge has been burned, sadly.

How is it collusion? It's a simple equation, is the club:

1. Willing to pay enough money so that Essendon don't match?
Or
2. Prepared to trade if they aren't?

Clubs will always work in terms of their own self interest. Every single club will be weighing it up knowing that Essendon will match if it falls short of band 1. Every club knows what sort of salary commands band 1.

There's no way a club goes that far down the path with him and then turns around and says "sorry, we didn't think Essendon would match despite everyone else knowing they would".

 

[eth-dog]

At his prime?

It's now clear everything that he is. He has zero upside.

His price is his price, and any previous overpays or contracts are completely irrelevant. Or do you just think players get increasingly larger deals until they retire?

An elite ball winner who finished as high as equal 5th in the league best and fairest? Can't imagine anyone paying him enough to get band 1 compensation.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Kids being bashed an awful lot for a player that has shown way more in his young career than his own teammate Dylan Shiel ever did prior to his trade to Essendon,

 

[Mostyn]

How is it collusion? It's a simple equation, is the club:

1. Willing to pay enough money so that Essendon don't match?
Or
2. Prepared to trade if they aren't?

Clubs will always work in terms of their own self interest. Every single club will be weighing it up knowing that Essendon will match if it falls short of band 1. Every club knows what sort of salary commands band 1.

There's no way a club goes that far down the path with him and then turns around and says "sorry, we didn't think Essendon would match despite everyone else knowing they would".

Brisbane, Essendon and Daniher's management conspired together, and he was paid above market rates for an initial contract with a handshake deal to smooth it out with a below market rate extension.

It is stunning that, after that was announced in the media, all parties weren't fined and facing draft sanctions. It speaks of the deep corruption of the AFL that this was allowed to occur.

Report: AFL investigating Daniher deal with clubs sceptical of Lions’ extension

‘We have done nothing wrong’: Lions footy boss defends Daniher deal as clubs remain sceptical

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Thetrader15]

An elite ball winner who finished as high as equal 5th in the league best and fairest? Can't imagine anyone paying him enough to get band 1 compensation.

Alternatively, clubs might look at more than 1 year.

2022 - 6 votes
2021 - 26 votes
2020 - 0 votes
2019 - 2 votes
2018 - 0 votes

2021 was an anomaly.

Any club who gives him a deal north of $800k (band 1) should be shut down.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

This is exactly the same situation as Brad Crouch. A player who was a B+F winner a couple of years earlier, and who a club doesn't want to retain.

He's worth $650k, tops. No one is overpaying just to guarantee getting him. They'll put an offer in, and Essendon won't match - just like the Crows didn't, and everyone other than GWS hasn't - because they don't want to keep him. If they did, they'd sign him now.

Since the Daniher scam, there's no way the league will turn a blind eye to any collusion to get you a better pick. That bridge has been burned, sadly.

It's really not the same situation as Parish's best is well beyond anything Crouch had produced at the point in his career where he was traded. He's a superior player so he will get a better deal, very simple.

 

[danster168]

Alternatively, clubs might look at more than 1 year.

2022 - 6 votes
2021 - 26 votes
2020 - 0 votes
2019 - 2 votes
2018 - 0 votes

2021 was an anomaly.

Any club who gives him a deal north of $800k (band 1) should be shut down.

to be fair he was being played out of position for many years. But I do agree that parish is the definition of a pure accumulator. he has no power in his game, no burst through stoppages and has poor skills. Disposal numbers flatter his influence imo.

 

[Mostyn]

It's really not the same situation as Parish's best is well beyond anything Crouch had produced at the point in his career where he was traded. He's a superior player so he will get a better deal, very simple.

No, Crouch's best years were at least the equal of Parish's good year.

If anything, injuries brought Crouch down to Parish's level.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

to be fair he was being played out of position for many years. But I do agree that parish is the definition of a pure accumulator. he has no power in his game, no burst through stoppages and has poor skills. Disposal numbers flatter his influence imo.

Odd post, I think most Essendon fans would tell you that his performances around and from the stoppages is the best part of his game. It's his defensive play that most of us would highlight as his weakness.