Recommitted Darcy Parish - re-signed until 2028!

[Mr Meeseeks]

Clarke bruhn and holmes are 3 very good young mid prospects. Bowes may go through there also. Parfitt had a down year but is a good player. He and atkins will be the bridge between the older mids and the younger ones.

Club also rates knevitt and whyte coming through quite highly as midfielders.
Mids are also quite easy to get as FAs.

By contrast cameron is 30 blitz will be 32 and theres every chance this is the last year for hawk stanley and ceglar. We have very little kpd depth too.
Although i rate conway and neale we are much more likely to be chasing a key back forward and a mature ruck than a mid unless its an absolute elite mid. Our mid depth is much better than our tall depth.

Fair. But it sounds an awful like the way I was talking 5 years ago...

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Have heard about this cliff for more than ten years. Not sure it exists for Geelong.

Yeah yeah this is the go to response. I personally havent been talking about a cliff for Geelong at all for a while. I am now though.

Unless GC keep feeding them bargains....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree with all that, but just as an FYI Cameron's 29 right now

He is but he will be 30 in april. I still think hes got a few good years left.
But i expect this year is hawkins last, stanley and ceglar potentially the same, blicavs will be 32 in march so i think we need key position players more than we need mids.
This is why neale will be an important signing, its why dekoning was, and why i expect us to prioritise that area over mids mostly.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Fair. But it sounds an awful like the way I was talking 5 years ago...

Im not saying there wont be a cliff at some stage there always is.
Im just saying i see the cliff as a bigger issue on the short term with our tall stocks than our mids-look at what we have in young mids and that becomes apparent.
Im not against parish-hes a good player and its possible if we get a lot of retirements that we bring in multiple player types (like in 2015 when we traded in 2 mids a key back and a ruck bc we had lots of retirements opening up cap) but as things stand now id expect in FA/trade we are chasing talls more than mids.

 

[Taylor]

The challenge for Geelong will be integrating young players into their prime role rotations without compromising their performance as a team, which is the attraction of mature bodies like Darcy Parish. No matter how many gym sessions or VFL games a junior has put in, you don't know if they have it in them until they are dropped in the deep end.

You'll start them somewhere else, sure, but that's still deeper.

I can see Geelong buying ready to go players.

 

[The 747]

Not sure why you are flexing over that midfield, its not that great, Parish would be the best player in that list unless one of the kids comes on.

Hawthorn were the oldest premier in 2015, WCE broke that in 2018, Geelong broke that last year. We saw how things went for the first two clubs after their flags. I personally haven't been calling for a big cliff for Geelong for the last 12 years, I am now though. 'Everyone has been saying it' isn't a defence dude..

Fair enough, but since Cats fans have been reading gleeful predictions of our cliff for about 12 years now on here, it is hard to get much of a response from us, especially right after we have won the flag.

No doubt at some stage we will see a drop off. Whether we drop to the bottom and bring out the tank like some other clubs do remains to be seen.

 

[The 747]

The challenge for Geelong will be integrating young players into their prime role rotations without compromising their performance as a team, which is the attraction of mature bodies like Darcy Parish. No matter how many gym sessions or VFL games a junior has put in, you don't know if they have it in them until they are dropped in the deep end.

You'll start them somewhere else, sure, but that's still deeper.

I can see Geelong buying ready to go players.

Yes, but the price for Parish is going to be high. So to give what the Bombers want we would have to totally jam our payment model or basically trade out of 2023 and 2024 draft. There will be cheaper options if we want accumulating mids.

 

[Taylor]

Yes, but the price for Parish is going to be high. So to give what the Bombers want we would have to totally jam our payment model or basically trade out of 2023 and 2024 draft. There will be cheaper options if we want accumulating mids.

I don't think Geelong have anything close in trade to beat the value of a top five draft pick the AFL will hand Essendon. There is enough salary cap in every AFL side to put a big year just three years out. A similar deal to Daniher, with the same intention of extending, with the same outcome is what I'm thinking will happen if the Cats want him.

 

[Shadow89]

Not sure why you are flexing over that midfield, its not that great, Parish would be the best player in that list unless one of the kids comes on.

Hawthorn were the oldest premier in 2015, WCE broke that in 2018, Geelong broke that last year. We saw how things went for the first two clubs after their flags. I personally haven't been calling for a big cliff for Geelong for the last 12 years, I am now though. 'Everyone has been saying it' isn't a defence dude..

Ok 'dude.'

I'm not 'flexing' at all, merely pointing out that we have enough young kids for the future - plus the older stars to escort them through. Blics and Guth will be around until 2025 and Danger will likely finish up end 2024. Who knows how it'll turn out - but there is a foundation.

Max Holmes was the highest rated wingman in the second half of last year, and all of Atkins, Parfitt and O'Connor were Best 23 in a flag side. Tanner Bruhn is a former Pick 12 with class and skill, and Jack Bowes is a former Pick 10 who we have high hopes for. Jhye Clark is a Pick 8 who is highly rated, and Knevitt is in his second year and a mid 20's pick - with a lot of upside too. Simpson played off in a GF in just 2020, and the other 3 are relative unknowns.

I'm not saying this is some 'superstar midfield', I'm merely stating that we do have kids coming through and it's not like we'll be completely screwed in 3 years. You're the one acting like a dick for no reason, when your midfield is definitely nothing to write home about either.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The challenge for Geelong will be integrating young players into their prime role rotations without compromising their performance as a team, which is the attraction of mature bodies like Darcy Parish. No matter how many gym sessions or VFL games a junior has put in, you don't know if they have it in them until they are dropped in the deep end.

You'll start them somewhere else, sure, but that's still deeper.

I can see Geelong buying ready to go players.

I certainly can and if we have 5 or 6 retirements this year we will have the cap space to do it..my point was more if we do that (and it would be mainly FAs as we dont have many 2023 picks although futures can be used) i suspect it would be on a ruck (no1 need) and another key forward and potentially a key back before we add a mid. Its possible we add all 4 but i think midfield is the lowest priority of the 4. I think darcy would be less of a target for us now than he would have been 12 months ago.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Why not?

Aside from Bruhn, Clarke and Parfitt, who else is in Geelong's midfield in 2 years?

They have traded out of next year's draft aside from their first rd pick so they dont have much to trade guys in with

If Geelong dont get some mid 20s FAs exactly like Parish, they are in for the biggest fall from a cliff we've seen.

Perhaps they can cross that bridge when they come to it. In two years

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The challenge for Geelong will be integrating young players into their prime role rotations without compromising their performance as a team, which is the attraction of mature bodies like Darcy Parish. No matter how many gym sessions or VFL games a junior has put in, you don't know if they have it in them until they are dropped in the deep end.

You'll start them somewhere else, sure, but that's still deeper.

I can see Geelong buying ready to go players.

Sure, but not ready to go mids next year. That's the crux of the question.

A ruck or kpd maybe but let's check in during the 2024 trade period for mids

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

If we can get a Cripps or Bont type mid I would be ok with off loading Parish

 

[Turbocat]

New coach. Would it really surprise if it depends on how he likes what the club is like this year ...and stays for another two.

If he gets offers that would gather Ess a top5 draft pick...would they be happy to see him go?

Would geelong be interested? Id think Geelong would look at any top players that signals an interest in coming, then go thru the check list. My bet is he will receive bigger offers form others clubs ..and maybe ess themselves than what Geelong offer.

 

[Turbocat]

Why not?

Aside from Bruhn, Clarke and Parfitt, who else is in Geelong's midfield in 2 years?

They have traded out of next year's draft aside from their first rd pick so they dont have much to trade guys in with

If Geelong dont get some mid 20s FAs exactly like Parish, they are in for the biggest fall from a cliff we've seen.

I think you missed Holmes as he will fit into that group as a new mid for us....and generally players are lasting a couple of years longer than some think they will. Guthrie will still be a strong player in 2 years time at 32.

There are other names but you are correct, everyone says their kids are good. Atm there is potential but Parish is a known.Blending the younger players in is difficult and some fail to develop. A few years ago, there would have been plenty that said Coopper Stephens, Narkle, Constable would be a future mids for us and now they are all elsewhere.

Adding just Bruhn, Clark and Bowes really changes or list profile and I suspect we are less likely to to drop off a cliff now. Just like Newcombe at the Hawks players can surprise and come from non standard pathways.

Id say we will study hard who we have this year but I doubt we stop looking to add if a players says they want to play for us based on recent aquisistions . If we have the cap room, we will look at options. If we were willing to add Smith as a FA, why not Parish if he wants us? The question id ask is why does Parish move. For money..Then Hawks or North probably offer more than Geelong.

 

[The Nostradamus]

reading through seems dons fans would be fine with him leaving and them getting decent compo

 

[Lore]

reading through seems dons fans would be fine with him leaving and them getting decent compo

He needs to take another step still, otherwise he'll just be a pretty good player

When he was a young player he was tearing up midfield in the VFL and we all just wanted him to play in the AFL.

Then he was playing AFL but spending more than half his time in the forward line. Eventually someone told him or taught him to run smarter, which meant he was fit enough to spend more time in the midfield.

So now he's playing AFL and tearing up the midfield like he used to at VFL level, but that's kinda all he does. Flashy enough to win a few BOG medals and a spot in the AA squad of 40 but he has the capacity to go to another level and be a more complete and better player.

Not that we can really afford to be throwing away pretty good players, but a pretty good player can fetch a pretty good pick and there's always that expectation that every draft kid is going to be a superstar, or at least might be one.

So unless he goes to the next step he's probably at a point now where the draft pick we'd get is fair enough in the eyes of many supporters, but if he goes to another level a compensation pick would be unders, you get into the territory of forced trade speculation and wanting to keep him etc.

 

[Ambrosia]

All this arguing over what Parish is worth is pointless. His value will largely be determined by how well he plays this year

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

All he has to do is keep his 2022 form and someone will throw 4+ years at him.
Essendon won’t need to worry about matching, because the dollars he will get offered to tempt him out will need to be large enough for band 1 compo anyway.

 

[Vindicater]

reading through seems dons fans would be fine with him leaving and them getting decent compo

Him and Shiel both can't work in the same midfield so one needs to go.

Parish has currency, Sheil not so much

 

[eth-dog]

Him and Shiel both can't work in the same midfield so one needs to go.

Parish has currency, Sheil not so much

Parish has currency.
Shiel is a better player.

Parish leaving is better for us, period

 

[Bald]

Parish has currency.
Shiel is a better player.

Parish leaving is better for us, period

Parish should still be around the next time you guys are contending. Shiel certainly won't be..

You might get more capital for Parish but I'm not sure the overall is better for you if it were Parish that left.

 

[eth-dog]

Parish should still be around the next time you guys are contending. Shiel certainly won't be..

You might get more capital for Parish but I'm not sure the overall is better for you if it were Parish that left.

We're well off contending.

I can see Dyl being around another 4-5 years too.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Parish has currency.
Shiel is a better player.

Parish leaving is better for us, period

or what about a parish and merrett comparison

parish younger

merrett could fetch more currency (hes captain now but still)

i think he adds to the problem of the midfield atm

 

[eth-dog]

or what about a parish and merrett comparison

parish younger

merrett could fetch more currency (hes captain now but still)

i think he adds to the problem of the midfield atm

Merrett is an elite user and our best midfielder, period. He's missed 10 games of AFL in a 9 year career and at current rate could play until he's 35.

Two of the three are realistically a chance of leaving. One probably nets us a top 10 pick, the other would be netting us a pick in the late 20's/early 30's at best