Research Data gaps + big projects

[Bassoon]

Bassoon.

For documentation purposes, how do I approach this section?

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And what's the go with September 17 and 24?

24 in particular.

Hi Redman. Sorry for the delay.

Both The Age and The Football Record state that the Stingrays Central game on the 17th was a Prelim Final. I believe that this is an error, and that this game should be relabelled as the First Semi Final.The games on the 24th are Prelim Finals. Hope this helps.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

UPDATE!

Round by round completions for the following leagues/divvies are as follows:

VFL/AFL seniors.
VFL/AFL ressies.
VFA/VFL seniors.
SANFL.
TAC CUP/CTL.

To those who've uploaded/compiled the results of all of the above, thank you for your hard work and laboriousness.
The fruits of your labour have seen me lucky enough to eat the products/results.

I will have a break from tallying the round by round totals and then, after the break, attack the VFA/VFL ressies.

I will wait until the U19's reach totality and then I'll attack each season.

If anyone's wanting any of the leagues above that I've tallied, happy to send each season for cross referencing and correcting.

 

[Connor7395]

VFL/AFL scoring progressions pre-2001 could be worth a collaborative effort. Unlikely to be fully complete pre-90's however.

 

[McPang]

VFL/AFL scoring progressions pre-2001 could be worth a collaborative effort. Unlikely to be fully complete pre-90's however.

Agreed Connor7395

I've done the occasional game I thought had some significance to a scoring progression, e.g. the 1994 qualifying final between the Roos and Hawks (first instance of extra time for VFL/AFL and I wanted the scoreline after first extra time), the infamous 1996 blackout game between the Saints and Bombers (different sources quoted different 3QT scores), and the 1995 reserves grand final (just a bit of fun because the video was available), etc.

It unfortunately does take a lot of time when compiling it via video recording, but it would be great to get more of it recorded.

 

[Connor7395]

Agreed Connor7395

I've done the occasional game I thought had some significance to a scoring progression, e.g. the 1994 qualifying final between the Roos and Hawks (first instance of extra time for VFL/AFL and I wanted the scoreline after first extra time), the infamous 1996 blackout game between the Saints and Bombers (different sources quoted different 3QT scores), and the 1995 reserves grand final (just a bit of fun because the video was available), etc.

It unfortunately does take a lot of time when compiling it via video recording, but it would be great to get more of it recorded.

Maybe worth having its own thread. There's probably a few classifications that could be used:
1. Fully documented w/ video and times
2. Fully documented w/ video (times incomplete - for the videos that cut out ads or only show scores)
3. Fully documented without video (newspapers)
4. Partially documented w/ video (full recording unavailable, or a highlights package)
5. Partially documented without video (newspapers)
6. Missing completely

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I believe stemline or someone else has jotted down the odd score progression in the last few years.

 

[stemline]

I believe stemline or someone else has jotted down the odd score progression in the last few years.

Not me... however I noticed the 2004 Rnd 2 game Haw v NM was missing score progression on AFL Tables.

Using the site's format for other games I put this together.

*Paul*

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Now onto the VFA/VFL ressies.


1961.

Again, the column key:

First: Game number.
Second: Season.
Third: Round.
Fourth: Number of teams who played that round.
Fifth: Goals.
Sixth: Behinds.
Seventh: Total score.
Eighth: Average score.

1​	1961​	R01​	8​	70​	106​	526​	65.75​
2​	1961​	R02​	8​	88​	108​	636​	79.5​
3​	1961​	R03​	8​	104​	113​	737​	92.125​
4​	1961​	R04​	8​	92​	105​	657​	82.125​
5​	1961​	R05​	8​	111​	98​	764​	95.5​
6​	1961​	R06​	8​	82​	115​	607​	75.875​
7​	1961​	R07​	8​	98​	115​	703​	87.875​
8​	1961​	R08​	8​	103​	109​	727​	90.875​
9​	1961​	R09​	8​	97​	94​	676​	84.5​
10​	1961​	R10​	8​	101​	99​	705​	88.125​
11​	1961​	R11​	8​	96​	90​	666​	83.25​
12​	1961​	R12​	8​	104​	108​	732​	91.5​
13​	1961​	R13​	8​	60​	68​	428​	53.5​
14​	1961​	R14​	8​	100​	104​	704​	88​
15​	1961​	R15​	8​	91​	130​	676​	84.5​
16​	1961​	R16​	8​	120​	108​	828​	103.5​
17​	1961​	R17​	8​	106​	94​	730​	91.25​
18​	1961​	R18​	8​	108​	100​	748​	93.5​
19​	1961​	SF​	4​	44​	53​	317​	79.25​
20​	1961​	PF​	2​	35​	25​	235​	117.5​
21​	1961​	GF​	2​	21​	33​	159​	79.5​

 

[RedmanWasHere]

1962.

1​	1962​	R01​	8​	69​	75​	489​	61.125​
2​	1962​	R02​	8​	87​	116​	638​	79.75​
3​	1962​	R03​	8​	108​	125​	773​	96.625​
4​	1962​	R04​	8​	133​	122​	920​	115​
5​	1962​	R05​	8​	93​	114​	672​	84​
6​	1962​	R06​	8​	70​	80​	500​	62.5​
7​	1962​	R07​	8​	82​	100​	592​	74​
8​	1962​	R08​	8​	79​	108​	582​	72.75​
9​	1962​	R09​	8​	108​	93​	741​	92.625​
10​	1962​	R10​	8​	91​	111​	657​	82.125​
11​	1962​	R11​	8​	96​	109​	685​	85.625​
12​	1962​	R12​	8​	101​	86​	692​	86.5​
13​	1962​	R13​	8​	79​	106​	580​	72.5​
14​	1962​	R14​	8​	105​	107​	737​	92.125​
15​	1962​	R15​	8​	100​	116​	716​	89.5​
16​	1962​	R16​	8​	109​	113​	767​	95.875​
17​	1962​	SF​	4​	44​	52​	316​	79​
18​	1962​	PF​	2​	16​	22​	118​	59​
19​	1962​	GF​	2​	24​	36​	180​	90​

 

[RedmanWasHere]

1963.

1​	1963​	R01​	8​	90​	105​	645​	80.625​
2​	1963​	R02​	8​	98​	99​	687​	85.875​
3​	1963​	R03​	8​	100​	129​	729​	91.125​
4​	1963​	R04​	8​	100​	84​	684​	85.5​
5​	1963​	R05​	8​	66​	77​	473​	59.125​
6​	1963​	R06​	8​	78​	110​	578​	72.25​
7​	1963​	R07​	8​	91​	94​	640​	80​
8​	1963​	R08​	8​	73​	104​	542​	67.75​
9​	1963​	R09​	8​	62​	118​	490​	61.25​
10​	1963​	R10​	8​	75​	81​	531​	66.375​
11​	1963​	R11​	8​	85​	115​	625​	78.125​
12​	1963​	R12​	8​	74​	87​	531​	66.375​
13​	1963​	R13​	8​	64​	84​	468​	58.5​
14​	1963​	R14​	8​	77​	83​	545​	68.125​
15​	1963​	R15​	8​	81​	94​	580​	72.5​
16​	1963​	R16​	8​	88​	109​	637​	79.625​
17​	1963​	R17​	8​	83​	105​	603​	75.375​
18​	1963​	R18​	8​	114​	117​	801​	100.125​
19​	1963​	SF​	4​	45​	43​	313​	78.25​
20​	1963​	PF​	2​	26​	22​	178​	89​
21​	1963​	GF​	2​	20​	29​	149​	74.5​

 

[RedmanWasHere]

1​	1964​	R01​	8​	101​	120​	726​	90.75​
2​	1964​	R02​	8​	99​	104​	698​	87.25​
3​	1964​	R03​	8​	88​	99​	627​	78.375​
4​	1964​	R04​	8​	93​	98​	656​	82​
5​	1964​	R05​	8​	90​	110​	650​	81.25​
6​	1964​	R06​	8​	103​	104​	722​	90.25​
7​	1964​	R07​	8​	77​	86​	548​	68.5​
8​	1964​	R08​	8​	90​	100​	640​	80​
9​	1964​	R09​	8​	88​	113​	641​	80.125​
10​	1964​	R10​	8​	77​	87​	549​	68.625​
11​	1964​	R11​	8​	72​	107​	539​	67.375​
12​	1964​	R12​	8​	59​	113​	467​	58.375​
13​	1964​	R13​	8​	98​	95​	683​	85.375​
14​	1964​	R14​	8​	77​	94​	556​	69.5​
15​	1964​	R15​	8​	78​	95​	563​	70.375​
16​	1964​	R16​	8​	78​	91​	559​	69.875​
17​	1964​	R17​	8​	80​	90​	570​	71.25​
18​	1964​	R18​	8​	94​	100​	664​	83​
19​	1964​	SF​	4​	46​	54​	330​	82.5​
20​	1964​	PF​	2​	20​	31​	151​	75.5​
21​	1964​	GF​	2​	25​	25​	175​	87.5​

 

[Connor7395]

Should I make a thread for scoring progressions?

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

I think this is the best thread to post this in….

Over the past few months I’ve searched for burial/cremation records for all Australian rules footballers with death dates recorded in wikidata - this has generated the death date corrections I've posted on the Inaccuracies thread.

In summary, there are (at the time of writing) 7530 Australian rules footballers with death dates recorded in wikidata (mostly VFL but also includes prominent players from other state comps). I have found burial/cremation records for 7052 of these (about 93.5%) and have added these details to wikidata.

Almost 1100 players are interred in one cemetery – for those who know Melbourne see if you can guess which one…
Answer: Graph of count of footballers by interment location: https://w.wiki/CcbJ

The full list of player burial/cremation locations is here: https://w.wiki/CcbM

• If you uncomment (remove the #) one of the team specific filter lines in the query you can see just players for that club (or deaths for AF HoF members)
• Broadly, if a player was buried there will be a location recorded in the pbrLabel column
• If a player was cremated the “date of burial or cremation” field is populated and a location qualifier added to show where they were cremated – this value appears in the “cremlocLabel” column
• Over 5700 of these deceased players have records in Find a Grave
• If you sort by burial date “dbr” and then burial location “pbrLabel” you will get the 478 deceased players where I did not find a burial/cremation record as the first records
• Some deceased players will not have a burial/cremation location e.g. Harry Barr died when his ship sank off the South African coast, but for others I have just been unable to locate an online record

Hopefully this is of interest/value to some of you in the community - particularly those with links to public facing websites that contain player info including Oliver G, 35Daicos , Supermercado, The Blueseum & rbartlett

 

[rbartlett]

Hopefully this is of interest/value to some of you in the community - particularly those with links to public facing websites that contain player info including Oliver G, 35Daicos , Supermercado, The Blueseum & rbartlett

Great stuff.
So to just query Richmond only - I delete the # from before 'Richmond' and then press the play button, is that right?

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Great stuff.
So to just query Richmond only - I delete the # from before 'Richmond' and then press the play button, is that right?

No - only delete the # from the start of the line that contains Richmond at the end

Line should read:
?player wdt: P54 wd:Q2521385 . #Richmond

This line means select players with P54 (member of sports team) = Q2521385 (Richmond Football Club); the #Richmond part is just a comment so you know which line is for which team

 

[Gibbsy]

Bump – any researchers been working on any big projects lately?

For me, I've just finished my spreadsheet collating the results of every single AFLW pre-season practice match. These often single games were the only official matches played by clubs before the start of each season. Early games (pre-2017) were covered decently well given the novelty of the new league, as was everything from 2020 onwards on the official AFLW website, but those years in the middle proved difficult, as did more detailed reports circa 2021 due to Covid and closed-door matches.

Pleasingly, I'm happy to say that I have full qtr-by-qtr scores, dates, times, venues and goalkickers for 100% of the 61 official AFLW pre-season practice matches played from 2017–2024 (60 games if you don't include the cancelled 2022 [S6] preseason game between Adelaide and GWS on 18/12/2021 due to a Covid outbreak).

There has also been a week of 'match simulations' scheduled in 2020, 2022 (S7), 2023 and 2024. These varied in format from regular match play, to controlled drills and set plays, to six-period affairs. I'm not as fussed about these matches, but I have attempted to find at least the qtr-by-qtr scores all the same.

Of the 33 'match simulations' listed:

• 21 of them I have full qtr-by-qtr scores for (inc. one 6-period game in 2024 between GWS and Sydney where they just listed the scores at the end of P2, P4 and P6)
• 5 of them I only have final scores for
• 4 of them the clubs did not keep scores for
• 3 of them I can not find any information on (a 'closed door' match sim on 18/01/2020 between Carlton and St Kilda at Princes Park; another match sim between the same teams at the same venue on 6/08/2022; and a match sim also on 6/08/2022 between Adelaide and Port Adelaide at Thebarton Oval)

I hope at some point to get the official practice matches up onto AF.com (Oliver G) the same way the men's preseason 'official practice matches' have been.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I have two statistical history books coming out soon - one on the South West league and one on the Upper Great Southern league - which will be books seven and eight for me.

Both books will be about 130 A5 pages in length with a brief chronology of the league, the year-by-year statistical history for each club, ladders, finals results and award winners as well as a brief history of each league or association that each club came from. Imagine something along the lines of the VFL Year Books that they used to produce in the 1980s.

I just need to organise pictures for the front and back cover and then I can send it off to the printers. Then I can concentrate on three other book projects that are, in racing parlance, heading towards the finish line.

 

[Mobbs]

... There has also been a week of 'match simulations' scheduled ...

My legal team are showing keen interest.

 

[Gibbke]

I have two statistical history books coming out soon - one on the South West league and one on the Upper Great Southern league - which will be books seven and eight for me.

Both books will be about 130 A5 pages in length with a brief chronology of the league, the year-by-year statistical history for each club, ladders, finals results and award winners as well as a brief history of each league or association that each club came from. Imagine something along the lines of the VFL Year Books that they used to produce in the 1980s.

I just need to organise pictures for the front and back cover and then I can send it off to the printers. Then I can concentrate on three other book projects that are, in racing parlance, heading towards the finish line.

And I've got three of them. Superb work and they get a regular read, even though I've never been any further west than Whyalla and have no idea where most of the teams are based outside looking in an atlas...the thing that grabs me with all of this is reading between the lines and in the columns either side on Trove and discovering the stories of the times...takes me frigging ages to get through the pages because I get sidetracked...!

I'm putting together Pre WW2 Tasmanian footy, everything. Still unsure of the best format, which will be based upon any gems of wisdom MortlockW can instill, but right now I'm flogging the guts out of the 1919 season, which was ended by the flu epidemic. Once the format of that chapter is decided, the rest can be done with more efficiency. It's a forgotten season in Tassie, and many think no footy was played at all. For completeness, I've had to cover 1920 as well, because some missing 1919 info appears down the track. Additionally, I live in fear that Sportingpulse will shut down any moment, so I'm madly cutting and pasting that, which takes a lot of time and distracts from the main task...

What I really want to do is create a Head To Head study, where the actual leagues and seasons take second place to focusing on each team v their rivals. Wynyard and Burnie/Cooee are two great examples, constantly playing against each other in at least 5 separate comps I can name so far. Lilydale and Bracknell played each other for the first time in 93 years this season, and North Launceston played Scottsdale for the first time in 39 years - that matchup was the Northern Tas equivalent of Carlton and Collingwood up until the 1980's and Scottsdale played in the Champions of Aus series in 1973. Today however, totally different story - North is now the AFL flagship drafting team operating out of York Park, and Scottsdale is a victim of footy recession, with every team in its surrounding area now gone, no depth and probably no hope...in the two games combined this year, North are leading 521-24, all four goals worth coming in the second game...

 

[Oliver G]

Bump – any researchers been working on any big projects lately?

For me, I've just finished my spreadsheet collating the results of every single AFLW pre-season practice match. These often single games were the only official matches played by clubs before the start of each season. Early games (pre-2017) were covered decently well given the novelty of the new league, as was everything from 2020 onwards on the official AFLW website, but those years in the middle proved difficult, as did more detailed reports circa 2021 due to Covid and closed-door matches.

Pleasingly, I'm happy to say that I have full qtr-by-qtr scores, dates, times, venues and goalkickers for 100% of the 61 official AFLW pre-season practice matches played from 2017–2024 (60 games if you don't include the cancelled 2022 [S6] preseason game between Adelaide and GWS on 18/12/2021 due to a Covid outbreak).

There has also been a week of 'match simulations' scheduled in 2020, 2022 (S7), 2023 and 2024. These varied in format from regular match play, to controlled drills and set plays, to six-period affairs. I'm not as fussed about these matches, but I have attempted to find at least the qtr-by-qtr scores all the same.

Of the 33 'match simulations' listed:

• 21 of them I have full qtr-by-qtr scores for (inc. one 6-period game in 2024 between GWS and Sydney where they just listed the scores at the end of P2, P4 and P6)
• 5 of them I only have final scores for
• 4 of them the clubs did not keep scores for
• 3 of them I can not find any information on (a 'closed door' match sim on 18/01/2020 between Carlton and St Kilda at Princes Park; another match sim between the same teams at the same venue on 6/08/2022; and a match sim also on 6/08/2022 between Adelaide and Port Adelaide at Thebarton Oval)

I hope at some point to get the official practice matches up onto AF.com (Oliver G) the same way the men's preseason 'official practice matches' have been.

Fantastic work Gibbsy! I'll try to get them up on AF this week.

 

[Gibbsy]

And I've got three of them. Superb work and they get a regular read, even though I've never been any further west than Whyalla and have no idea where most of the teams are based outside looking in an atlas...the thing that grabs me with all of this is reading between the lines and in the columns either side on Trove and discovering the stories of the times...takes me frigging ages to get through the pages because I get sidetracked...!

I'm putting together Pre WW2 Tasmanian footy, everything. Still unsure of the best format, which will be based upon any gems of wisdom MortlockW can instill, but right now I'm flogging the guts out of the 1919 season, which was ended by the flu epidemic. Once the format of that chapter is decided, the rest can be done with more efficiency. It's a forgotten season in Tassie, and many think no footy was played at all. For completeness, I've had to cover 1920 as well, because some missing 1919 info appears down the track. Additionally, I live in fear that Sportingpulse will shut down any moment, so I'm madly cutting and pasting that, which takes a lot of time and distracts from the main task...

What I really want to do is create a Head To Head study, where the actual leagues and seasons take second place to focusing on each team v their rivals. Wynyard and Burnie/Cooee are two great examples, constantly playing against each other in at least 5 separate comps I can name so far. Lilydale and Bracknell played each other for the first time in 93 years this season, and North Launceston played Scottsdale for the first time in 39 years - that matchup was the Northern Tas equivalent of Carlton and Collingwood up until the 1980's and Scottsdale played in the Champions of Aus series in 1973. Today however, totally different story - North is now the AFL flagship drafting team operating out of York Park, and Scottsdale is a victim of footy recession, with every team in its surrounding area now gone, no depth and probably no hope...in the two games combined this year, North are leading 521-24, all four goals worth coming in the second game...

The impending GameDay/SportingPulse shutdown still scares me too. It's impossible to archive everything by one's self – yes, I 'saved' all of Victoria, but it was only the round-by-round scores – not the individual match-up pages. And even doing just the former took me 50+ hours.

I've sent the following request to Trove/NLA to see if they can include GameDay in their next Australian website archiving sweep. Who knows...

---

Hi Trove team,

I am enquiring with a website archiving request that has an impending level of urgency. I am gladly aware of the Pandora website archiving process that periodically saves every website with a URL ending in '.au'.

However, there is one critically important Australian website database which is slowly deprecating that does not end in 'au' and is potentially at the mercy of being lost to the internet ether. If it goes, so too does more than 15 years of community sporting history around the country.

The GameDay website (also previously known as SportsTG, Fox Sports Pulse, and most commonly SportingPulse) was the community sport match detail database of choice for more than 15 years. Since the mid-2000s, this website has housed match statistics, player names and historical data for hundreds of leagues across Australia in sports ranging from Australian football to basketball, netball and more.

It contains myriad information that is simply not available anywhere else. As an example, here is the match detail screen from a Round 1, 2018 match between East Devonport and Latrobe in Tasmania's North West Football League.

Northern Tasmanian Football League Match Centre - GameDay

Northern Tasmanian Football League Match Centre - GameDay, fixtures, results, ladders, statistics, news and events for the North West Football League, on GameDay, the Home of Grassroots Sport

websites.mygameday.app

This particular URL is not archived via the Wayback Machine and it is impossible for one individual to archive as many matches as possible. In 2022, the AFL and its community leagues signed a deal with a new startup company called PlayHQ, who now administers this same function of match results data across all nationwide community leagues for footy, netball, cricket, basketball and more.

This has essentially left the GameDay website on life support; with very few leagues now utilising the service, there is little reason for the developers to maintain the website or its database. A shutdown date of 2026 has been floated in official documents sent to community clubs around the GameDay > PlayHQ transfer.

Is it all possible for Trove to include the https://websites.mygameday.app/ URL and all its subsequent outlinks (quite possibly hundreds of thousands of them) in the next web archiving sweep? As a primarily text-based website this should be relatively straightforward, I hope, but it is also an issue that has not yet been breached as it will only take one day for the GameDay site to disappear and only then will people realise what has been lost.
We are at the precipice of losing decades worth of match data for no good reason, and in this modern era, such a thought feels unacceptable.
I would love to hear if this archiving process is an option and how Trove and the NLA may be able to proceed.

With thanks,

 

[Oliver G]

Bump – any researchers been working on any big projects lately?

For me, I've just finished my spreadsheet collating the results of every single AFLW pre-season practice match. These often single games were the only official matches played by clubs before the start of each season. Early games (pre-2017) were covered decently well given the novelty of the new league, as was everything from 2020 onwards on the official AFLW website, but those years in the middle proved difficult, as did more detailed reports circa 2021 due to Covid and closed-door matches.

Pleasingly, I'm happy to say that I have full qtr-by-qtr scores, dates, times, venues and goalkickers for 100% of the 61 official AFLW pre-season practice matches played from 2017–2024 (60 games if you don't include the cancelled 2022 [S6] preseason game between Adelaide and GWS on 18/12/2021 due to a Covid outbreak).

There has also been a week of 'match simulations' scheduled in 2020, 2022 (S7), 2023 and 2024. These varied in format from regular match play, to controlled drills and set plays, to six-period affairs. I'm not as fussed about these matches, but I have attempted to find at least the qtr-by-qtr scores all the same.

Of the 33 'match simulations' listed:

• 21 of them I have full qtr-by-qtr scores for (inc. one 6-period game in 2024 between GWS and Sydney where they just listed the scores at the end of P2, P4 and P6)
• 5 of them I only have final scores for
• 4 of them the clubs did not keep scores for
• 3 of them I can not find any information on (a 'closed door' match sim on 18/01/2020 between Carlton and St Kilda at Princes Park; another match sim between the same teams at the same venue on 6/08/2022; and a match sim also on 6/08/2022 between Adelaide and Port Adelaide at Thebarton Oval)

I hope at some point to get the official practice matches up onto AF.com (Oliver G) the same way the men's preseason 'official practice matches' have been.

Gibbsy, sorry I still haven't been able to get them up on AF, we've had a minor DDoS over the last week, and we're still in the process of getting our dev to sort it out. Hopefully that should be sorted in the next day or two and once that's done I'll get the AFLW practice matches up.

 

[McPang]

Bump – any researchers been working on any big projects lately?

For me, I've just finished my spreadsheet collating the results of every single AFLW pre-season practice match. These often single games were the only official matches played by clubs before the start of each season. Early games (pre-2017) were covered decently well given the novelty of the new league, as was everything from 2020 onwards on the official AFLW website, but those years in the middle proved difficult, as did more detailed reports circa 2021 due to Covid and closed-door matches.

Pleasingly, I'm happy to say that I have full qtr-by-qtr scores, dates, times, venues and goalkickers for 100% of the 61 official AFLW pre-season practice matches played from 2017–2024 (60 games if you don't include the cancelled 2022 [S6] preseason game between Adelaide and GWS on 18/12/2021 due to a Covid outbreak).

There has also been a week of 'match simulations' scheduled in 2020, 2022 (S7), 2023 and 2024. These varied in format from regular match play, to controlled drills and set plays, to six-period affairs. I'm not as fussed about these matches, but I have attempted to find at least the qtr-by-qtr scores all the same.

Of the 33 'match simulations' listed:

• 21 of them I have full qtr-by-qtr scores for (inc. one 6-period game in 2024 between GWS and Sydney where they just listed the scores at the end of P2, P4 and P6)
• 5 of them I only have final scores for
• 4 of them the clubs did not keep scores for
• 3 of them I can not find any information on (a 'closed door' match sim on 18/01/2020 between Carlton and St Kilda at Princes Park; another match sim between the same teams at the same venue on 6/08/2022; and a match sim also on 6/08/2022 between Adelaide and Port Adelaide at Thebarton Oval)

I hope at some point to get the official practice matches up onto AF.com (Oliver G) the same way the men's preseason 'official practice matches' have been.

On my end, there's nothing particularly big. But two of the bigger recent items I've slowly chipping away at would be:

1. Collating details on all carnival players (states represented, carnivals attended, games played, positional data, etc.). A fun example of a team with complete information (except for scoring) would be New Zealand (with their sole appearance in 1908). Full personal details on the players is a work in progress, since only some have been identified.

2. Collating details on all 1942-1944 SANFL (war-merger) players. As of this post, 3,023 records out of 3,192 (3 seasons x 28 games x 38 players) have been linked to players (with sufficient personal details known) - see sample match report. A fun example of an identified player would be Billy Winward, who played 8 games with Norwood-North in 1942, then played with the Richmond seconds in 1943-44, then Camberwell in 1945, before becoming a one-gamer with St Kilda in 1946.

With both of the above, my hat goes off to 35Daicos - who is always willing to lend a hand.

I'll probably take a look at completing the SANFL reserves history (post-1919), but on top of having the time, I've also had trouble finding material for 1955-2007.

 

[Gibbke]

On my end, there's nothing particularly big. But two of the bigger recent items I've slowly chipping away at would be:

1. Collating details on all carnival players (states represented, carnivals attended, games played, positional data, etc.). A fun example of a team with complete information (except for scoring) would be New Zealand (with their sole appearance in 1908). Full personal details on the players is a work in progress, since only some have been identified.

2. Collating details on all 1942-1944 SANFL (war-merger) players. As of this post, 3,023 records out of 3,192 (3 seasons x 28 games x 38 players) have been linked to players (with sufficient personal details known) - see sample match report. A fun example of an identified player would be Billy Winward, who played 8 games with Norwood-North in 1942, then played with the Richmond seconds in 1943-44, then Camberwell in 1945, before becoming a one-gamer with St Kilda in 1946.

With both of the above, my hat goes off to 35Daicos - who is always willing to lend a hand.

I'll probably take a look at completing the SANFL reserves history (post-1919), but on top of having the time, I've also had trouble finding material for 1955-2007.

 

[Gibbke]

On my end, there's nothing particularly big. But two of the bigger recent items I've slowly chipping away at would be:

1. Collating details on all carnival players (states represented, carnivals attended, games played, positional data, etc.). A fun example of a team with complete information (except for scoring) would be New Zealand (with their sole appearance in 1908). Full personal details on the players is a work in progress, since only some have been identified.

2. Collating details on all 1942-1944 SANFL (war-merger) players. As of this post, 3,023 records out of 3,192 (3 seasons x 28 games x 38 players) have been linked to players (with sufficient personal details known) - see sample match report. A fun example of an identified player would be Billy Winward, who played 8 games with Norwood-North in 1942, then played with the Richmond seconds in 1943-44, then Camberwell in 1945, before becoming a one-gamer with St Kilda in 1946.

With both of the above, my hat goes off to 35Daicos - who is always willing to lend a hand.

I'll probably take a look at completing the SANFL reserves history (post-1919), but on top of having the time, I've also had trouble finding material for 1955-2007.

Just above are my notes on the 1924 Carnival...I did this a year ago and I think I signed off on it, so to speak, aside from three things - that WA question mark, the Smiths representing Tasmania, and the Tas origin clubs for their players (might have stalled on that because of the Smiths, because it's actually a pretty easy task, can't remember). If I've gone to the trouble of creating the game by game ladders, then I would have settled on the scores, so the WA ? is probably accidentally left there. Hec Smith was one Smith, and the other guy (H.O.) was from Lefroy...I don't know who E.Smith is, but I suspect he was the more senior H.O.Smith, because Hec at this time hadn't gone on to be the champion he ended up being. I couldn't find any background detail on NSW and Qld players...would love that, I'd have the whole set then! Sources are all the mainland main papers, every Tasmanian paper, the 1947 Tasmanian yearbook by Jack Donnelly, and some random websites.