Universal Love David Mackay Appreciation Thread

[Deaneus!]

Quoting stupid data is being childish at best.

Are you saying the data is stupid because (1) it's stupid we kept selecting him even though he was rubbish or (2) that the data doesn't actually mean anything and is therefore stupid to use in an argument about whether he's good?

 

[rezagun]

So i watched the replay of the showdown last night. Barely noticed dmac was out there tbh. The only time it seemed i noticed him was when he would make a blue. By luck alot of these 'errors' were cleaned up by another crows player. If anybody can be bothered watching it in the 3rd quarter with 10 min left he handballs straight over a players head when giving us that elusive run and carry under no pressure. Luckily knight cleans up the mess and delivers a pass which results in a goal. This is the type of shit he does every week.
You could forgive these types of clangers if it was a fresh face or somebody under pressure.. Other experienced players dont make mistakes like this (vb), and thats why a majority of us on here take pot shots at dmac and argue his place in the team more than anybody else.

 

[rezagun]

supporters want to win... when something isn't right aren't we supposed to voice an opinion?...
I think DMac's card needs to be stamped "never again"...
yet the rumblings from inside the walls continue to sprout the virtues of a fit and flying...
I think they are wrong.
and it seems we are destined to watch him stink it up some more before the curtains are drawn.

I hope he plays some scintillating footy this year... Jenkins has improved his contested footy, so it can be done.
I'm just not sure what DMacs weapons are.... give me Milera, Doedee, Hampton, Menzel, Gore & Seedsman already.

we must pick our best 22 especially with our tough start.

is this bashing? to me its make sure we don't forget...

The decision to recruit outside run and draft milera is enough for me to say we have better options for the 22.
Smith, Hampton, Seedsman, Henderson, Cameron are all better wingman.
You could argue milera will give us more output in his first year than dmac could in what his 8th 9th?? Season.

 

[VSTone]

can we waste another 15-20 games on someone?

 

[1970crow]

can we waste another 15-20 games on someone?

Yes we can, more likely sometwo.

 

[FULL LINDY]

Never go full lindy

Why is that? You should try it sometime, once you go lindy you don't go back.

 

[GROTTO]

And the selected for finals, where he was woeful.

Woeful. Thats being highly complimentary too.

 

[MRB37]

In all seriousness, here's a prediction. Not a single member of our 2015 coaching group or David Noble will leave our club to a higher role at another club. These guys have all peaked with us.

Edit - I should add that we'll be hearing a lot of "leaving to pursue interests in other industries".

I think Teague could become a good coach. Walsh certainly thought he'd make a capable senior coach one day. I think Campo will eventually be given a shot if/when he wants too.

 

[Hodgy]

The problem with VB and Mackay is twofold as I see it.
1. In a side that lacks disposal efficiency they are the worst (along with Thommo). This means that they turn the ball over consistently, which in modern footy absolutely kills you. Ten years ago you could be a contested beast and just win the footy back but now 10 seconds after you turn it over the goal umpire is waving two flags.
2. Every player in the AFL (unless they start at the level of Danger or Abblet) should improve every year. If you think of guys like Laird, Lynch, Jenkins, Cameron, Talia, Smith, they are all much better players than when they started and still getting better every year. Unfortunately for VB and Mackay, they were better players 10 years ago than they are now. They simply haven't ever improved from the good potential they showed as kids and I think all people here are saying is that at some stage you have to move on to someone who hopefully will improve every year.

 

[whitey_1975]

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Are you saying the data is stupid because (1) it's stupid we kept selecting him even though he was rubbish or (2) that the data doesn't actually mean anything and is therefore stupid to use in an argument about whether he's good?

Wow those numbers are horrid

 

[Deaneus!]

Wow those numbers are horrid

Show some respect!!!

They are non-optimal is all.

 

[Bovo]

Yes we can, more likely sometwo.

Just being objective...well because I can ... but what if one of the "two" has a blinder this year? The formula for getting a gig in our team should look something like:

Player out
1 - Is a player in the senior team not performing well?
->No: as you were
-> Yes:
2 - Once off or consistent?
-> Once Off: keep an eye on the player, might just be a bad game
-> consistent: off to the SNAFL
* At this point I don't care if it is Mackay, VB, Douglas, Smith etc. The only exception is if we don't have anyone who can replace said player who looks to be doing better in the SNAFL. No point bringing someone into the team who is not in any particular form.

Player in
1 - Is player playing well?
-> No; as you were
-> Yes:
2 - Once off or consistent?
-> Once off: keep an eye on player, might have a look if an opportunity arises
-> consistent:
3 -> Is player looking more consistent than player in Senior team (as per the player out formula)
-> Yes: Replace senior player
-> No: Keep an eye on player and wait for an opportunity.

This is obviously a very high level....but any player (until their contract is up) should be able to be compared to the above formula. This does not take into account any "weapons" a player might have (left footer, speed, strength, stamina etc. etc.)

Point is any player who is current in our squad (except a rookie) should get a crack at senior level if their form warrants it and they will add an advantage to our senior side....any player. If a player is training the house down, playing well in the seconds, etc....you have to go on now not past. You have to. At the end of the career we can look at said player and say unfortunately this player was not really meant for AFL or whatever...and that is fair. To say that an AFL player should never be in our squad because of past years transgressions if they are currently firing....well that is ridiculous from my perspective.

 

[Bovo]

Actually looking at that formula....it is crap. Just go to the last paragraph

 

[Peter Doherty]

The criticism is of their selection when out of form. What the mods should crack down on is high headed nobs who think just because they support every selection decision the club makes means they are a superior supporter to those who have their own opinions and are prepared to express them. I'm ashamed of supporters like you. Are you Lindy? If not, you're not far off.

Haha, you're such a free thinker, a great mind of our time aren't you? You're so brave to think outside the square.

The reality is again you are struggling with reading comprehension. Where have I defended his selection? It's about at least giving them some respect. Doesn't really fit in with your narrative though does it? You think I'm of the opinion that VB, Radar,Wright and DMac should be in our rd 1 team.

 

[1970crow]

I think Teague could become a good coach. Walsh certainly thought he'd make a capable senior coach one day. I think Campo will eventually be given a shot if/when he wants too.

Teague will need to get out soon and I doubt Campo will, he was openly rebuked by Roo. Teague was the only guy to have spoken openly about an experienced plodder not being in best 22 form. Oddly, not long after Noble's classic 'non-statistical' statement. I think Campo creates a bit of a problem for aspiring coaches at our club. Either not interested in senior coaching due to his love and commitment to a construction company or not prepared to compete for the role. Either way, if you want to be a senior coach, Adelaide's not the club because there's a permanent senior assistant whose very comfortable where he is with no plans to go anywhere else, upwardly or accrossedly (new word?).

 

[MRB37]

Teague will need to get out soon and I doubt Campo will, he was openly rebuked by Roo. Teague was the only guy to have spoken openly about an experienced plodder not being in best 22 form. Oddly, not long after Noble's classic 'non-statistical' statement. I think Campo creates a bit of a problem for aspiring coaches at our club. Either not interested in senior coaching due to his love and commitment to a construction company or not prepared to compete for the role. Either way, if you want to be a senior coach, Adelaide's not the club because there's a permanent senior assistant whose very comfortable where he is with no plans to go anywhere else, upwardly or accrossedly (new word?).

It sounded like Campo's kids were more of a reason for him not wanting to be a senior coach, rather than his construction business.

 

[Mattrox]

The problem with VB and Mackay is twofold as I see it.
1. In a side that lacks disposal efficiency they are the worst (along with Thommo). This means that they turn the ball over consistently, which in modern footy absolutely kills you. Ten years ago you could be a contested beast and just win the footy back but now 10 seconds after you turn it over the goal umpire is waving two flags.
2. Every player in the AFL (unless they start at the level of Danger or Abblet) should improve every year. If you think of guys like Laird, Lynch, Jenkins, Cameron, Talia, Smith, they are all much better players than when they started and still getting better every year. Unfortunately for VB and Mackay, they were better players 10 years ago than they are now. They simply haven't ever improved from the good potential they showed as kids and I think all people here are saying is that at some stage you have to move on to someone who hopefully will improve every year.

1) disposal efficiency shows no such thing. A short kick which hits Tex on the tit with the defender contesting is classed an ineffcient. Yet we would all call it a skilled kick. Or you can dick around with short chip kicks doing nothing, to a free man and rack up 100% DE. It's a flawed stat to use. The newspapers need to report turnovers by foot.

2) no argument.

 

[TexanKnights]

Aretha Franklin any relation to Buddy?

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Point is any player who is current in our squad (except a rookie) should get a crack at senior level if their form warrants it and they will add an advantage to our senior side....any player. If a player is training the house down, playing well in the seconds, etc....you have to go on now not past. You have to. At the end of the career we can look at said player and say unfortunately this player was not really meant for AFL or whatever...and that is fair. To say that an AFL player should never be in our squad because of past years transgressions if they are currently firing....well that is ridiculous from my perspective.

I don't think anyone is arguing with this. I think the point is that Mackay has offered next to nothing to our senior side for the last 6 seasons and based on that, is unlikely to offer anything worthwhile this year or in the future.

If he gets selected for round 1 people in here will wail and moan because of his exposed form. If he has 25 touches and 500m gained, nobody will be saying he shouldn't get a game in round 2.

 

[Hodgy]

1) disposal efficiency shows no such thing. A short kick which hits Tex on the tit with the defender contesting is classed an ineffcient. Yet we would all call it a skilled kick. Or you can dick around with short chip kicks doing nothing, to a free man and rack up 100% DE. It's a flawed stat to use. The newspapers need to report turnovers by foot.

2) no argument.

I agree that disposal efficiency is a ridiculous stat and in fact I meant it in it's real meaning, ie that they both kick terribly when under pressure. Actually it probably is more VB kicks terribly under pressure where as Mackay unfortunately is so slight that when he gets tackled he just drops the ball and causes turnovers that way.
Look I admire anyone that can play AFL for ten years and also that can be such great leaders around a club, I just don't think we can warrant selecting them anymore based on their production and the potential talent that they are currently keeping out of the team.

 

[Bovo]

I don't think anyone is arguing with this. I think the point is that Mackay has offered next to nothing to our senior side for the last 6 seasons and based on that, is unlikely to offer anything worthwhile this year or in the future.

If he gets selected for round 1 people in here will wail and moan because of his exposed form. If he has 25 touches and 500m gained, nobody will be saying he shouldn't get a game in round 2.

For the record, based on his last years form I have no problems with giving Seedsman or Hampton a go ahead of Mackay. I am not saying he is worthy of a place in our side. I was just getting sick of the digs constantly levelled at him in the many different threads just for the sake of it.

 

[marty36]

For the record, based on his last years form I have no problems with giving Seedsman or Hampton a go ahead of Mackay. I am not saying he is worthy of a place in our side. I was just getting sick of the digs constantly levelled at him in the many different threads just for the sake of it.

But aren't our senior staff more experienced than us, and should be trusted on their decisions as its their full time jobs against us bozzo's who wouldn't know a footballer if we tripped over one

 

[SydCrow]

Mackay's problem is that the game has moved past him - he is not physically strong enough to make or break tackles. The limited rotations give him a glimmer of hope however - players who can run the game out strongly should have an advantage

 

[Bovo]

But aren't our senior staff more experienced than us, and should be trusted on their decisions as its their full time jobs against us bozzo's who wouldn't know a footballer if we tripped over one

I know I would not want to pick our side for real. On paper, no problems. In real life....nope not me. I just want to enjoy the match please.

 

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Are you saying the data is stupid because (1) it's stupid we kept selecting him even though he was rubbish or (2) that the data doesn't actually mean anything and is therefore stupid to use in an argument about whether he's good?

Cannot really draw too much from the data, as he was the Sub for 3 of them. Not a good use of the Data.

Round 19 was the sub 24% game time. replaced R Knight 3/4 time
Round 20 was the sub 25%game time replaced J Lever at 3/4 time
EF was the sub 42% game time, replace Atkins in the 3rd Quater.
SF 61% Sub off, in 3rd quarter. Only game we can really say he played badly in, but so did most of the team.