Universal Love David Mackay Appreciation Thread

[footy4ever]

Mackay at his best is a bloody good player. His problem is being able to get back to his best. Whether that is because he has been played out of his position (I think his best position is the wing....not the backline) or that he has just had a flat run....not sure. Perhaps there was too much pressure of him being the link up player and he could not handle it....don't know. In any regard with a better balance of outside run perhaps the pressure will not be as great and he may go back to what he does best. I just think there is too much emphasis on the VB/Mackay bashing on this forum. I think it has just gone too far IMO.

Ditto that. The odd quip used to be funny. Having open season on MacKay is simply disgraceful.

 

[footy4ever]

Cannot really draw too much from the data, as he was the Sub for 3 of them. Not a good use of the Data.

Round 19 was the sub 24% game time. replaced R Knight 3/4 time
Round 20 was the sub 25%game time replaced J Lever at 3/4 time
EF was the sub 42% game time, replace Atkins in the 3rd Quater.
SF 61% Sub off, in 3rd quarter. Only game we can really say he played badly in, but so did most of the team.

Please never let facts dampen the torches of a jolly good witch hunt.

 

[1970crow]

Just being objective...well because I can ... but what if one of the "two" has a blinder this year? The formula for getting a gig in our team should look something like:

Player out
1 - Is a player in the senior team not performing well?
->No: as you were
-> Yes:
2 - Once off or consistent?
-> Once Off: keep an eye on the player, might just be a bad game
-> consistent: off to the SNAFL
* At this point I don't care if it is Mackay, VB, Douglas, Smith etc. The only exception is if we don't have anyone who can replace said player who looks to be doing better in the SNAFL. No point bringing someone into the team who is not in any particular form.

Player in
1 - Is player playing well?
-> No; as you were
-> Yes:
2 - Once off or consistent?
-> Once off: keep an eye on player, might have a look if an opportunity arises
-> consistent:
3 -> Is player looking more consistent than player in Senior team (as per the player out formula)
-> Yes: Replace senior player
-> No: Keep an eye on player and wait for an opportunity.

This is obviously a very high level....but any player (until their contract is up) should be able to be compared to the above formula. This does not take into account any "weapons" a player might have (left footer, speed, strength, stamina etc. etc.)

Point is any player who is current in our squad (except a rookie) should get a crack at senior level if their form warrants it and they will add an advantage to our senior side....any player. If a player is training the house down, playing well in the seconds, etc....you have to go on now not past. You have to. At the end of the career we can look at said player and say unfortunately this player was not really meant for AFL or whatever...and that is fair. To say that an AFL player should never be in our squad because of past years transgressions if they are currently firing....well that is ridiculous from my perspective.

I don't think anyone is suggesting what you've claimed in your last sentence. All most of the subjective want is for the players to be selected on form. No excuses such as 'non-statistical' are manufactured for kids 15 games in after 3 good games and 1 poor one as they're sent to the 2's. So why should it be the case for a 90 and a 150 gamer, their form shouldn't suffer the troughs of the kids, that's what those number of games is meant to bring. If Dmac or VB light it up in the NAB this year, then they deserve to be considered in what appears to be an open race for the last few spots. If they get the nod and their form holds, then they keep their place in the side. But if the NAB form proves to be a blip rather than the constant, then they are sent to the 2's and not after half a season of rubbish.

Most of us know deep in our hearts that they'll get first crack if there's any hint of good form. As long as we see them for what they are which is 2 players who have struggled for consistently good form over the last 2-3 years who might just be having a good game or 2. It doesn't warrant another dozen at AFL level to see if they've finally turned the corner. They're fringe players among the many others, albeit with first dibs due to tenure, which is how our club runs selection.

 

[earlsta]

The fact that Vb has played over 200 and MacKay has around 150odd games goes to show where we've been as a club for the last decade.

It's mind boggling really, as harsh as it sounds I'll add Reilly to that list as well. We just haven't had enough talent on our list for the last decade, we've let mediocre players play 200odd games for us.. MacKay still has 3 years left of his contract, he could honestly finish up a 200 gamer for the AFC.

 

[Mattrox]

The fact that Vb has played over 200 and MacKay has around 150odd games goes to show where we've been as a club for the last decade.

It's mind boggling really, as harsh as it sounds I'll add Reilly to that list as well. We just haven't had enough talent on our list for the last decade, we've let mediocre players play 200odd games for us.. MacKay still has 3 years left of his contract, he could honestly finish up a 200 gamer for the AFC.

Our recruiting in the early 2000's is to blame. There wasn't anyone better to play until very recently.

 

[Sanders]

Haha, you're such a free thinker, a great mind of our time aren't you? You're so brave to think outside the square.

The reality is again you are struggling with reading comprehension. Where have I defended his selection? It's about at least giving them some respect. Doesn't really fit in with your narrative though does it? You think I'm of the opinion that VB, Radar,Wright and DMac should be in our rd 1 team.

Nah you've just been whining that people have been so unkind to Mookay

Real lateral thinking there

 

[Infra Ted]

So i watched the replay of the showdown last night. Barely noticed dmac was out there tbh. The only time it seemed i noticed him was when he would make a blue. By luck alot of these 'errors' were cleaned up by another crows player. If anybody can be bothered watching it in the 3rd quarter with 10 min left he handballs straight over a players head when giving us that elusive run and carry under no pressure. Luckily knight cleans up the mess and delivers a pass which results in a goal. This is the type of shit he does every week.
You could forgive these types of clangers if it was a fresh face or somebody under pressure.. Other experienced players dont make mistakes like this (vb), and thats why a majority of us on here take pot shots at dmac and argue his place in the team more than anybody else.

I watched the first quarter today. The one time I noticed him was when he got absolutely ragdolled in a tackle in defence. Twice in succession.

Looks like a school boy out there sometimes.

 

[Infra Ted]

The fact that Vb has played over 200 and MacKay has around 150odd games goes to show where we've been as a club for the last decade.

It's mind boggling really, as harsh as it sounds I'll add Reilly to that list as well. We just haven't had enough talent on our list for the last decade, we've let mediocre players play 200odd games for us.. MacKay still has 3 years left of his contract, he could honestly finish up a 200 gamer for the AFC.

Post needs more respect.

 

[DD#23]

do we have a list of the individuals who are in the room when the team is selected?

 

[SydCrow]

The fact that Vb has played over 200 and MacKay has around 150odd games goes to show where we've been as a club for the last decade.

It's mind boggling really, as harsh as it sounds I'll add Reilly to that list as well. We just haven't had enough talent on our list for the last decade, we've let mediocre players play 200odd games for us.. MacKay still has 3 years left of his contract, he could honestly finish up a 200 gamer for the AFC.

Short memory - VB was our captain for 66 games, McKay was a highly skilled and rated player. Don't let last year taint the reality of their careers. And Reilly was a very good player also. Players inevitably drop off as they get older.

 

[Rotayjay]

I don't think anyone is suggesting what you've claimed in your last sentence. All most of the subjective want is for the players to be selected on form. No excuses such as 'non-statistical' are manufactured for kids 15 games in after 3 good games and 1 poor one as they're sent to the 2's. So why should it be the case for a 90 and a 150 gamer, their form shouldn't suffer the troughs of the kids, that's what those number of games is meant to bring. If Dmac or VB light it up in the NAB this year, then they deserve to be considered in what appears to be an open race for the last few spots. If they get the nod and their form holds, then they keep their place in the side. But if the NAB form proves to be a blip rather than the constant, then they are sent to the 2's and not after half a season of rubbish.

Most of us know deep in our hearts that they'll get first crack if there's any hint of good form. As long as we see them for what they are which is 2 players who have struggled for consistently good form over the last 2-3 years who might just be having a good game or 2. It doesn't warrant another dozen at AFL level to see if they've finally turned the corner. They're fringe players among the many others, albeit with first dibs due to tenure, which is how our club runs selection.

Good post. Of course, like others here I don't hate Mackay or van Berlo - I've joined in the whipping on this board, because like others I'm disappointed at their output and frustrated at their selection. We ain't a charity.

 

[Elite Crow]

Short memory - VB was our captain for 66 games, McKay was a highly skilled and rated player. Don't let last year taint the reality of their careers. And Reilly was a very good player also. Players inevitably drop off as they get older.

As opposed to creative memory?

VB was our captain is about the only accurate statement in your post

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why do we have 2 dedicated mackay threads, in addition he is being discussed in others?

Perhaps merge practice for Hank93 ...to get his full license...

 

[Deaneus!]

Cannot really draw too much from the data, as he was the Sub for 3 of them. Not a good use of the Data.

Round 19 was the sub 24% game time. replaced R Knight 3/4 time
Round 20 was the sub 25%game time replaced J Lever at 3/4 time
EF was the sub 42% game time, replace Atkins in the 3rd Quater.
SF 61% Sub off, in 3rd quarter. Only game we can really say he played badly in, but so did most of the team.

Damn forgot all about the sub rule already

So, 29 possessions in about 1.5 games, like a 20 possession game

If only I could remember any of his possessions

 

[earlsta]

Short memory - VB was our captain for 66 games, McKay was a highly skilled and rated player. Don't let last year taint the reality of their careers. And Reilly was a very good player also. Players inevitably drop off as they get older.

MacKay a highly skilled and rated player?
I'll give you an interesting stat, David Mackay has played 136 eligible AFL games for votes for a total of ONE VOTE, ONE VOTE!! Averaging 0.01 Votes per game, the LOWEST average of any Adelaide Crow player to have ever polled a Brownlow vote in our history.

 

[Elite Crow]

do we have a list of the individuals who are in the room when the team is selected?

Dmack does and he has photos

 

[Squiba]

I've been around VB a few times due to knowing a couple of other afc/ex afc players and he is a really good bloke. All-round nice guy. Never had anything to do with Dmac.

One time, a particular player in our squad (well loved) that I know had a really shit game. I mean really shit. I went over to his place and started talking footy, I said something along the lines of "where were you? I didn't even know you were out there half the time!" At this stage his room mate (another afc player) had a chuckle and I continued general conversation about the footy.

Anyway, next week he had a 30+ disposal game with a coupla goals thrown in. Didn't give him cr@p about it in the slightest.

Its not about disrespecting or disliking the player, its about wanting the best put of the team; and when both team and younger players consistently suffer due to poor selection, we as supporters get flustered. That is all.

 

[Squiba]

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That's an average of 27.25...

That better be your bloody batting average Dave.

 

[Hank93]

Why do we have 2 dedicated mackay threads, in addition he is being discussed in others?

Perhaps merge practice for Hank93 ...to get his full license...

I think that worked

 

[Elite Crow]

Boo

 

[DD#23]

if we could merge VB and Mackay we might get somewhere

 

[Hank93]

Boo

If i can figure out how to change the thread prefix I'd probably do that too....

 

[Elite Crow]

If i can figure out how to change the thread prefix I'd probably do that too....

Change it to BOO

 

[1970crow]

do we have a list of the individuals who are in the room when the team is selected?

I've been wondering this myself.

 

[rezagun]

I watched the first quarter today. The one time I noticed him was when he got absolutely ragdolled in a tackle in defence. Twice in succession.

Looks like a school boy out there sometimes.

Sometimes....