Certified Legendary Thread David Mackay PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE

[Deaneus!]

this is the anti-chooklotto tribunal thread, designed to demonstrate how corrupt the tribunal is

the anti-David Mackay

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David Mackay

Age

35

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

thread is here:

The David Mackay thread

https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-09-27/new-deals-for-mackay-and-strachan “David had one of his best seasons and his attitude, preparation and training standards are always first class,” Reid said. “We see him making a valuable contribution both on and off the field next year.”

www.bigfooty.com

please post accordingly

 

[MarcusP2]

Not sure that’s fully correct.
What stops your brain continuing to rise when your skull starts returning to earth?
Obviously it’s suspended in fluid but you’d think with vigorous moment it could touch?

It's only sharp deceleration or acceleration. Your fluid filled sack of a skull protects under most situations. You accelerate faster in a car then a trampoline, you don't get concussion from that

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[FR0GGY]

Gravity…

Ok the reverse then, what stops it going down after you’ve bounced.

 

[FR0GGY]

its not a sharp enough jolt though to make it a hard impact on the inside of the skull is it when this happens.. it needs to be.

Is there a calculated force that this occurs from?

 

[FR0GGY]

Also with all the deformities in life are there people born with less fluid that might be more prone to concussions.
And vice versa, people with more fluid?

 

[Deaneus!]

Be specific then man!

Is there any real evidence that this is a serious risk to AFL players?

Well, yes.

Neuroscientist reveals alarming results from concussion study on retired VFL/AFL players

'https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/e51ffe9937bb1f48af648241d740d020'

A senior neuroscientist from Australia’s sports brain bank says more than 80 per cent of the 162 retired VFL/AFL players he has tested were suffering from a form of brain damage.

also - the AFL are s**t scared of lawsuits

 

[Miss Vanessa]

I literally couldn’t have been more specific





I asked about CTE and I can’t read the article.

I do note it’s fairly obscure given the alleged impacts this guy claims

There is this from The Guardian:

Damage found after late AFLW player Jacinda Barclay’s brain donated for concussion research

Exclusive: Researchers at the Australian Sports Brain Bank have uncovered neurological damage they describe as a ‘ticking time bomb’

www.google.com.au

It’s interesting, obviously we should seek to make the game as safe as practicable possible - although, what that even means is an incredibly long and complex discussion - but it does seem to me that the language used surrounding the issue is a tad overwrought. The article above describes it as a “ticking time bomb”… Perhaps, but how many footballers from all codes and at all levels are there currently playing or have played in Australia? Are there higher levels of depression amongst those individuals than the larger population? Are there higher rates of suicide? Why has this ticking time bomb not gone off before now?

I don’t know. I’m perfectly happy to accept the evidence that multiple concussions and head trauma can lead to long term health issues… I’m less convinced that unless the game is totally changed then we will see a spate of depression and suicides amongst ex players above and beyond the rates seen in the general population.

Perhaps there are stats showing this, but the article above certainly doesn’t cite anything resembling that kind of data.

 

[baldandbroke]

How much more specific do you want?

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My mistake, I read it as conversation ... didn't read what you had quoted from me as being part of your response.

 

[baldandbroke]

I asked about CTE and I can’t read the article.

From the article ...

Leading concussion expert Prof Alan Pearce told News Corp the remaining players all “showed some abnormalities when compared to age-matched healthy controls suggesting that their experiences in playing have affected their brains”.​

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The alarming revelation comes as Australia’s richest football code grapples with the scourge of concussion and repeated head knocks.​

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“Since 2012 I have studied 162 former AFL/VFL football players, who played between 1970 and 2015, as well as 25 amateur grade players,” Prof Pearce said.​

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“More than 150 were found to have impaired neurological functioning that matched their self-reported concerns around memory, mood problems and movement disorders.”​

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Tests on NRL players show similarly alarming results.​

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Prof Pearce said more than 73 per cent of the 33 retired NRL players he tested showed abnormal brain functioning compared to age matched healthy controls.​

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He tested men between the ages of 40 and 67, who had suffered between one and 30 diagnosed concussions in their careers — dating back 10 to 34 years since their last head knock.​

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Prof Pearce rejected suggestions his research was biased because the players he treated had already reported concerns.​

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“In order to answer this criticism, I recently conducted and published the biggest study on retired players to date comparing 83 athletes with ongoing issues such as memory, headaches, fatigue, mood disorders and movement problems to 39 athletes who reported no ongoing issues; with both groups compared with 50 age and educated matched healthy people with no history of playing contact sports,” he said.​

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“The athlete group with ongoing issues were significantly worse in their brain function than both other groups. However, what I found was that the group that did not report differences still differed in their neurological functions to the control group. Moreover, there were associations between the number of concussions reported and poorer neurological functions, irrespective of whether the player felt they had ongoing issues or not.”​

 

[GreyCrow]

Seems a small sample size for a 10 year study

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Seems a small sample size for a 10 year study

If the AFL & AFLPA were serious, they would fund an ongoing study to learn more.

There is no reason why all players can't be studied, so we can compare players who have had many concussions to those who haven't.

Would also be worth researching more past players to get an understanding of how the rule changes to protect the head have improved neurological outcomes overall.

 

[Coopers]

Was that testing done before or after they played AFL?

It was clearly done before they played AFL, with the use of a time machine.

 

[Sanders]

Seems a small sample size for a 10 year study

Very

 

[Concussion test]

This thread has officially bottomed out.
Does anyone have any mad dog Mackay stories (even if they're made up)

 

[RoweyThePainter]

This thread has officially bottomed out.
Does anyone have any mad dog Mackay stories (even if they're made up)

This one time ... at Crows camp ... Davey played the trumpet, just normally and quite well ... it was so funny.

 

[Geoffa32]

Also with all the deformities in life are there people born with less fluid that might be more prone to concussions.
And vice versa, people with more fluid?

My son has a smaller gap between his brain and skull than normal. It was diagnosed after his head rapidly increased in size at around 10 months of age. We had to get a scan to check.

He is 3 now, and his head is back to within the normal range for his age. But in regards to the gap between skull and brain it is still smaller than the norm. Meaning less fluid to cushion.


It is something to consider as he gets older and sports like Footy . Especially considering at three years old he is very active, and can already kick a Footy and handball quite well

He already loves ball sports.

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[Geoffa32]

If the AFL & AFLPA were serious, they would fund an ongoing study to learn more.

There is no reason why all players can't be studied, so we can compare players who have had many concussions to those who haven't.

Would also be worth researching more past players to get an understanding of how the rule changes to protect the head have improved neurological outcomes overall.

A study like that would be interesting. I suspect, without any scientific knowledge on the subject, that apart from king hits and the occasional massive bumps, the damage to the brain may have increased.

AFL players are now stronger and faster (especially over short distance, acceleration) than even 10 years ago. May be less bigger "damgerous" hits. But they tackle harder (and more often), hit the contest quicker and with the congestive way the game is played there is more actual body on body contact.


Less big hits, but gradual damage done over a 25 year period from ages 15 to 35 from cumulative smaller hits and contact.



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[Deaneus!]

, and can already kick a Footy and handball quite well

and you’re sure he’s your son?

(Just kidding mate )

 

[Deaneus!]

This thread has officially bottomed out.
Does anyone have any mad dog Mackay stories (even if they're made up)

waiting for him to be named, or take someone out on Sunday

 

[Geoffa32]

and you’re sure he’s your son?

(Just kidding mate )

I think so far I have taught him well....


What do they say about teachers?

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[FR0GGY]

My son has a smaller gap between his brain and skull than normal. It was diagnosed after his head rapidly increased in size at around 10 months of age. We had to get a scan to check.

He is 3 now, and his head is back to within the normal range for his age. But in regards to the gap between skull and brain it is still smaller than the norm. Meaning less fluid to cushion.


It is something to consider as he gets older and sports like Footy . Especially considering at three years old he is very active, and can already kick a Footy and handball quite well

He already loves ball sports.

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Interesting, I wonder if everyone who has this would know about it?

 

[Geoffa32]

Interesting, I wonder if everyone who has this would know about it?

Maybe not.

We only found out due to having to get the scan due to his head increasing in size out of proportion to the rest of his body.




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[DJ75]

waiting for him to be named, or take someone out on Sunday

Imagine if he did the same full-speed running, with eyes on the ball, and takes a super courageous mark - but also happens to concuss an opponent at the same time. SHocking will have a melt down.

 

[Deaneus!]

How many weeks should Mackay get for this?

 

[FR0GGY]

How many weeks should Mackay get for this?

Don’t worry the umpire was right there and should have it written down in his book, I have no doubt.

 

[John Who]

There is this from The Guardian:

Damage found after late AFLW player Jacinda Barclay’s brain donated for concussion research

Exclusive: Researchers at the Australian Sports Brain Bank have uncovered neurological damage they describe as a ‘ticking time bomb’

www.google.com.au

It’s interesting, obviously we should seek to make the game as safe as practicable possible - although, what that even means is an incredibly long and complex discussion - but it does seem to me that the language used surrounding the issue is a tad overwrought. The article above describes it as a “ticking time bomb”… Perhaps, but how many footballers from all codes and at all levels are there currently playing or have played in Australia? Are there higher levels of depression amongst those individuals than the larger population? Are there higher rates of suicide? Why has this ticking time bomb not gone off before now?

I don’t know. I’m perfectly happy to accept the evidence that multiple concussions and head trauma can lead to long term health issues… I’m less convinced that unless the game is totally changed then we will see a spate of depression and suicides amongst ex players above and beyond the rates seen in the general population.

Perhaps there are stats showing this, but the article above certainly doesn’t cite anything resembling that kind of data.

The other issue is that the depression that is linked with past players' suicides, maybe completely unrelated to the brain findings. And on the other hand, the brain findings may be linked with other clinical signs such as memory loss, headaches, or the findings may not even be causing any symptoms at all for Jacinda's case. It's pretty much conjecture at this point regarding the article.