Universal Love David Teague

[katmanblue]

What you are saying sounds very logical but it almost exactly how it was sold to us when Malthouse became coach, the parallels are concerning to me.

Each is its own thing.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Firstly don't think Clarkson is our next coach his not in our timeline, the coaching decision will be this year...
You'd hope we will either sack Teague or totally back him and extend his contract..

Not sure why all the negativity towards Clarkson though (4x Premiership Coach)..

• Because of Malthouse? He has nothing to do with and is nothing like Malthouse..
• Money? Yes that could be an issue
• Aiken? That happened in the 80's, time to move on
• Desire? That would have to be determined

Clarkson is the best coach in the league (maybe of all time),
if he was available it would be hard not to jump at it, not only for us but a lot of clubs..

 

[gab213]

Each is its own thing.

Very deep coming from a chimp.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Why?

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Hawthorn are likely to finish 17th this season with the list I could argue is under performing.

He is cooked.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Did anyone say the same about Geelong under Mark Thompson or Damian Hardwick when those coaches were under the pump/fighting for their coaching lives?

Teague has yet to coach his full second season as coach.

He is still a young coach learning and growing into the role. Cut him some slack and give him more time.

Both those coaches, coached finals before their reviews...
If the club decide he is still the man then I will back him...

Two and a half years in and he still has training wheels on..
How much time do you give him? Until Walsh retires without playing finals? (dramatic sound effects)

Hawthorn are likely to finish 17th this season with the list I could argue is under performing.

He is cooked.

Don't agree with that at all..
Hawthorne's list is cooked, they would be the 18th worst list in the comp..

For him to keep them competitive in games and even win some, says to me his still got it..
But, he would need to steer clear of list management

 

[macky99]

I'm wondering what makes you think we should be significantly ahead of anybody after undergoing the biggest rebuild any club has ever undertaken. Ours was a total demolition of the list, others have been able to reset.

Silvagni himself was of the mind that it would take ten years which is one of the things that put him at odds with others that didn't want that type of messaging out there. Funny thing is that accept it or not he was right, if we win a flag by 24/25 we'll be right at the point he suggested.

You say we have underperformed and I wonder what people expected this year. I expected we may just fall into the final 8 or finish 2 or 3 spots out of the eight, pretty much what will most likely be the result. We'd need 6 out 0f 7 wins to make the 8, not saying that will happen but we aren't a bottom region of the ladder team.

I'm still happy to wait and see where we are at the end of the season.

l believe we are five years into the rebuild and right now still bottom 6, so l believe the expectations this year on the back of the path we took to add experienced players Martin/Williams/Saad equated not unreasonably higher expectations and 12-13 wins should not have been a unrealistic target.
My comment re the last two wins was that our rebuild started much earlier than Adelaide & Fremantle so let's see if we can deliver against stronger opposition, as more the way we had also lost games with no defensive structures, sure if results were aligned to expectations there would not even be a review underway.

 

[gab213]

Bottom 6? Yes, we are 13th and one win out of the eight. You need to add context to things when making such statements. Whether we win 10 games or 12 games doesn't make too much difference at the end of the day, we are still where we are at.

We have performed fairly well against the better teams, what has let us down is a couple of games we could have won that we didn't. Two games I can identify as us having totally failed in.


Maybe expectations sometimes need to be more aligned with reality. We were always going to be a 7th-12th sort of team this year and that is where I expect we will be at the end of the season.

 

[DangerousD]

Did anyone say the same about Geelong under Mark Thompson or Damian Hardwick when those coaches were under the pump/fighting for their coaching lives?

Teague has yet to coach his full second season as coach.

He is still a young coach learning and growing into the role. Cut him some slack and give him more time.

Both of those guys had taken their side to multiple finals appearances.

 

[gab213]

Both of those guys had taken their side to multiple finals appearances.

True but not in their first two years as senior coaches.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Has our team defense been better the last 2 weeks?
Hard to tell, until we play a top side (this weekend)

Feel like our forward 50 pressure has been pretty good, and our backline has stood up in a massive way. Still a lot of issues with our ability to defend between the arcs though, and in both games we've been put under intense pressure with regular entries straight out of the middle.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

I'm wondering what makes you think we should be significantly ahead of anybody after undergoing the biggest rebuild any club has ever undertaken. Ours was a total demolition of the list, others have been able to reset.

Silvagni himself was of the mind that it would take ten years which is one of the things that put him at odds with others that didn't want that type of messaging out there. Funny thing is that accept it or not he was right, if we win a flag by 24/25 we'll be right at the point he suggested.

You say we have underperformed and I wonder what people expected this year. I expected we may just fall into the final 8 or finish 2 or 3 spots out of the eight, pretty much what will most likely be the result. We'd need 6 out 0f 7 wins to make the 8, not saying that will happen but we aren't a bottom region of the ladder team.

I'm still happy to wait and see where we are at the end of the season.

To make finals? As the captains said at start of year, Liddle said etc. Addition of Williams etc.

We're supposed to win a flag by 2023 according to the strategic plan.

We clearly thought we were better than we were and that is perfectly fine as long as we fix it and move on would and upward, no more shortcuts etc.

Given more development in the VFL, fix the coaching issues, get things rolling, we'll certainly go top 4 at some point and contend, whether we go the whole way there is a different matter, but happy to enjoy the ride along the way.

I agree it was always going to take longer than usual due to the scorched earth type rebuild, so seemed odd we would be compared to Brisbane etc.

The club's messaging as all over the place like usual, so you can hardly blame people for expecting to play finals.

I don't think we will make the 8, that ship sailed 10 weeks ago, but we'll see what happens.

Agree the list, etc is far better than current output.

Hopefully Charlie comes back good, has an excellent campaigner of a pre-season and we get the 1-2 punch of Harry + Charlie going and surge back up the ladder in the coming years to the place we were meant to be.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

Did anyone say the same about Geelong under Mark Thompson or Damian Hardwick when those coaches were under the pump/fighting for their coaching lives?

Teague has yet to coach his full second season as coach.

He is still a young coach learning and growing into the role. Cut him some slack and give him more time.

Both of them played finals for numerous years before, terrible examples.

He'd best start learning quickly then as tick tock.

Moneybags will 1000% be gunning for Clarkson.

 

[DangerousD]

True but not in their first two years as senior coaches.

Thompson played finals in his first year at the Cats.

I suppose you need to look at what stage both of their lists were at, when they took over. In a game in Hardwick first season, the a tigers set an all time tackle record of 142 tackles in a game, looking back, it reflects his style as a player and what they have become, we have a good list and are underperforming, hence the review.

Teague IMO is being judged fairly, the rest of the season will be interesting in how we play.

 

[gab213]

To make finals? As the captains said at start of year, Liddle said etc. Addition of Williams etc.

We're supposed to win a flag by 2023 according to the strategic plan.

We clearly thought we were better than we were and that is perfectly fine as long as we fix it and move on would and upward, no more shortcuts etc.

Given more development in the VFL, fix the coaching issues, get things rolling, we'll certainly go top 4 at some point and contend, whether we go the whole way there is a different matter, but happy to enjoy the ride along the way.

I agree it was always going to take longer than usual due to the scorched earth type rebuild, so seemed odd we would be compared to Brisbane etc.

The club's messaging as all over the place like usual, so you can hardly blame people for expecting to play finals.

I don't think we will make the 8, that ship sailed 10 weeks ago, but we'll see what happens.

Agree the list, etc is far better than current output.

Hopefully Charlie comes back good, has an excellent campaigner of a pre-season and we get the 1-2 punch of Harry + Charlie going and surge back up the ladder in the coming years to the place we were meant to be.

I agree that the club messaging has been garbage to an extent but that's where you really need to look past that. if you look at things critically you know that is a message the club needs to sell for a variety of reasons.

As I said, I never expected finals, I thought they were possible but not a certainty.

Anyway, I still think we have plenty to look forward to in the next couple of years regardless of who is coaching us, etc. WE need to remain positive

 

[katmanblue]

Very deep coming from a chimp.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Hawthorn are likely to finish 17th this season with the list I could argue is under performing.

He is cooked.

A frankly ridiculous take, and reads like a regurgitation of social media sentiment.

Hawthorn have come off the back of one of the most successful and dominant periods of football ever. Three flags in a row, a few more competitive years, and they're now two years into a major list rejuvenation.

They're in a natural ebb, and it indicates nothing even remotely close to Clarkson being "cooked".

 

[myblueroan]

Clarko's not gonna spend a year out of the routine sleeping in and becoming 'mediafied'

Also
Clarko is actually a great coach and he's proving it again right now with the rebuild. Notice no blaming just quietly rebuilding. Huge difference between them. Malthouse is an immature egotist.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Also
Clarko is actually a great coach and he's proving it again right now with the rebuild. Notice no blaming just quietly rebuilding. Huge difference between them. Malthouse is an immature egotist.

Bollocks.

Clarkson is as much an immature egotist as Malthouse was/is, he just disguises it better.

 

[blue healer]

Let’s see the year out and see what Teague does the next 7 weeks but let’s be honest .. can you see Teague lifting 17 with crippa .. I can’t

As the old Thy would say "can you see romance in my future"?

 

[no fate]

Let's see how we go this weekend against cats and next against pies before we start feeling pleased with the coaching eh? Yeah it's better than losing, but two narrow wins against mediocre interstate teams in Melbourne proves nothing, it was simply the expected result. If the next 2 are wins, there will be no complaints. If the next 2 are losses, there should be no defence. If its one of each, we can carry on arguing.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Hawthorn are likely to finish 17th this season with the list I could argue is under performing.

He is cooked.

Their list is worse than norths

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Bollocks.

Clarkson is as much an immature egotist as Malthouse was/is, he just disguises it better.

This is illogical unsubstantiated nonsense that goes against all of his history as a coach.

 

[RedFury]

Bollocks.

Clarkson is as much an immature egotist as Malthouse was/is, he just disguises it better.

It is insightful to have his psychotherapist posting on our board, is there any other little tidbits you can share with us?

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

Some people would really rather david Teague

David Teague

Age

45

Ht

186cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.4

4star

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D

5.0

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.0

3star

over ALASTAIR CLARKSON. Crazy world we live in

 

[17SetMeFree]

Culling Teague when his trajectory is on the rise, has a case of dejavu about it.
I understand where the trepidation resides for many,
Clarko has been a great coach with historical success, but I say his best coaching is behind him
He built a list from hell, stars across all lines, he built an academy of coaches at clubland, he had the support of
a former premier president, Carlton is different, and I'm not sure clarko , has the tolerance to suffer fools at the CFC

I made it known I prefer Lyon, but I'm not 100% sold, but I wouldn't be upset with the decision if the club saw fit to go that way. I tend to prefer the incumbent especially if there's an improvement
Meritocracy allows for redemption, reinvention and openness to improve.

This is how i'd like it. Teague sees out his contract, on the proviso, very specific assistants come onboard.
If the trajectory improves as we all expected it to at the start of the season, he stays. If it doesn't, he goes.

I don't want to see Teague set up to fail by the club, like it did with Rattan, only to have the club ruined to an inch of its life
There were problems, but things have changed over the break, what? I'm not sure, how? i don't know. Was there an acceptance of sorts?
who knows.....i just want to see the club and all that represent it, improve, in however manner, it takes to do so.