Universal Love David Teague

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It is Barker ending any doubt that Teague is still viable. He is literally saying he is already gone.


“The disappointment would be significant at the moment,” Barker told AFL Nation.

“There’s a lot of history when the dominoes start to fall, (there are) two teams that need coaches. Okay, how do we get our hands on the best guy?

“Carlton, Collingwood, obviously proud clubs. Expectations seem to be a lot higher at those clubs.

“How that plays out, it’ll be an interesting watch from here.”


Seems very categoric.

Yeah, but as I said, it feels like there is something between the lines. Who even thought to approach him of all people for comment?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It's the lack of intensity that hurts the most and that isn't injury related. The lack of change during a match to stop a run on, to block up the corridor. I mean, our big hail mary was Weitering up forward.

Biggest thing for me is the composure and confidence. Things that come directly from coaching and belief and familiarity/understanding of the methodology. We've looked bad in those areas even in wins the whole season. I haven't been able to reconcile those issues with Teague staying. He's a new coach. It usually takes far longer for the confusion, effort and confidence issues to take hold under a coach but they've been here since relatively early.

Coaches are responsible for a hell of a lot but ultimately for making sure their players are ready and eager to perform. To arrest and change negative themes and to turn a group of players into that 'oiled machine'. All those required hallmarks of good, not even great, coaching are missing.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

But is the lack of intensity a coaches problem? To me that is an issue with the players and needs to be rectified because I feel like pressure/effort/will is what we need to improve most to make that jump into the 8

It's a big time coaches problem. Part of their job is to motivate the players, to show them there are consequences for slacking off. Put a rocket under their arse so to speak.

 

[TerryWallet]

Yeah, but as I said, it feels like there is something between the lines. Who even thought to approach him of all people for comment?

Oh yeah, Barker's motivation to publically wade into it is a subject in itself.

But i think the main question of will Teague survive has really been tolled there by Barker, who should know.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Yeah, but as I said, it feels like there is something between the lines. Who even thought to approach him of all people for comment?

I'm sure all the outlets want his quotes after a loss. The scoop on what's going wrong inside the club. Why player x hates the coach and why the coach won't speak with player y etc.

 

[Metalcrusher]

It's a big time coaches problem. Part of their job is to motivate the players, to show them there are consequences for slacking off. Put a rocket under their arse so to speak.

Lets relegate the bottom six to the magoos .. because ... 14 on the injury list ... wait ... wut? Cant do that chief ... What power does Teague have left? He has no ammo ... unless he wants to befriend them and call in personal favours ....

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Lets relegate the bottom six to the magoos .. because ... 14 on the injury list ... wait ... wut? Cant do that chief ... What power does Teague have left? He has no ammo ... unless he wants to befriend them and call in personal favours ....

I'm talking over the course of the year. Murphy eventually got dropped, SPS too. Aside from that, it was the same old players. You don't see the stars being made an example of. That kind of allows the inconsistency to remain IMO. A lot of players feeling safe.

 

[Lace_Out]

I think he is too soft.

It's also compounded by the clubs approach of making the club an overly happy place to be. It's like camp kookamunda.

There needs to be more of a balance between happiness and fear.

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[Dominator_7]

It’s obvious now that players abd supporters have lost total faith in Teague.

 

[Red Bull]

Barker’s dropped the bomb there !!

 

[Kernafides]

Move him on we have not progressed. We are still the joke team that the comp knows are mentally fragile. For all his presser talk nothing changes. Let's be honest every team thinks they're a chance against us. Let's get someone in who can stamp a real brand

 

[RedFury]

Teague's future will be an "interesting watch" according to former assistant

"The disappointment would be significant at the moment."

www.sen.com.au

Is Barker supporting Teague or pointing the finger at Teague here? Very interesting for him to offer his opinion at this point.

Saying "two clubs need new coaches" made it pretty clear where he sits there, provided that particular quote wasn't taken too wildly out of context.

 

[plentyblckie]

I have said this before here, and it probably won't be the last time.

It feels like there may be a systemic issue with player culture (or even entitlement) in this group - quite possibly on a level passed down from previous players and leaders.

Yes the structures and game plan aren't great, but today was more about effort. The effort today was deplorable - it honestly felt like they were still coming down from the taste of their own bathwater based on playing 1 good quarter against Collingwood.

I can't shake the feeling that another coach that "the players like and want" who will let them "play to their strengths" will just end up with exactly the same results in 1-2 years after another dead cat bounce to get all our hopes up. There is a real tail-wagging-the-dog feel.

So how do we break this seemingly never-ending cycle? It won't be easy, and will require some more pain and player turnover, imo.

We need a coach with some presence, an assertive, strong-willed task-master, with a bit of ***hole about him even, who will set high standards and be uncompromising in upholding those standards.

My prediction is that, sadly, by going down this road we will inevitably lose a few "talented" players who just won't be able to hack it - said players will need to be offered up for trade (with competent posturing to avoid it looking like a Collingwood style fire-sale) in exchange for players that we think have the scope to adequately follow a game plan that requires being 100% switched on, particularly defensively, every week.

It's not the easy road, and it's difficult to tell fans that there's more pain in store until we truly sort this out.

I feel like, to some degree, Bolton was absolutely a victim of this problem I'm talking about. Sure, his game plan was too defensive, but he was trying to install defensive standards, benchmarks, into our players and you get the feeling that in the end, some players pretty much revolted against this - voting with their on-field actions - and they absolutely got the coach they wanted - a guy who wouldn't make them too defensively accountable, and they could just "play footy to their strengths".

As Dr Phil would say - how's that working out for ya?

Pretty spot on. Its a soft culture with little accountability. How can u continually say a player is managed then make them an emergency and often the medi sub. So this week Oweis was managed but an emergency. Then played for McKay. If he needed 2b managed play someone else say like Honey. He wasnt managed he was dropped. Just f say it. Dont protect non performers. Murf twice willo Fogerty list goes on.
Ffs okeffe few weeks ago said willo played an average game..week later gets promoted. Setters fish murf 2day get in after lengthly spells. We wonder why they dont perform. Play guys in the 2nds they never gunna play in ones. Willo full back. Kemp chb. They ever gunna play those roles in 1sts?? Stocker mfield then stick him in a back pocket. Fmd 2nds development?
Its a shamozzel. Its a joke.
The joint needs an exp hard coach. If he isnt sacked then the review is bogus and sayers is a fraud.
And the review should spotlight the biggest fraud of all..Andrew Russell.His whole time at the club has been injury after injury after injury. Playing blokes not fit..cripps start of season..fish who lasted a week after long layoff..jack martin last month..zac williams most of season. Charlie curmow fiasco with his 1st op.Playing mcgovern when unfit last season. Mismangement of Marchbank. Mismangement of sam philp..playing the kid when he couldnt even run.
We need a total reset of the footy department..from development, coaching, systems, attitudes, standards, accountability and health and fitness. The list is still in a good shape age wise.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Bring in someone external to the club (Ross Lyon), who won't have pre-existing relationships with players, and who would have the authority/respect/confidence to make difficult decisions re selection, player management, etc.

There needs to be system and accountability.

 

[RedFury]

Bring in someone external to the club (Ross Lyon), who won't have pre-existing relationships with players, and who would have the authority/respect/confidence to make difficult decisions re selection, player management, etc.

There needs to be system and accountability.

This.

As little as 1 year ago I would have been dead against bringing in a campaigner like Lyon or Clarko who is "unsociable" and has uncompromisingly high standards - someone who simply does not give a shit and will do what needs to be done, and if you can't follow or meet standards you can simply **** off.

Now I think, even thought it will bring some more short-term pain, it's really our only option to eventually get ourselves out of this never-ending cycle.

 

[carlton_99]

It's a big time coaches problem. Part of their job is to motivate the players, to show them there are consequences for slacking off. Put a rocket under their arse so to speak.

I would agree if this was a new issue under Teague. But this has been consistent across our last few coaches. At what point does it become a players problem

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Bring in someone external to the club (Ross Lyon), who won't have pre-existing relationships with players, and who would have the authority/respect/confidence to make difficult decisions re selection, player management, etc.

There needs to be system and accountability.

That name again, is Mr Plow.

 

[El Topo]

I think he is too soft.

It's also compounded by the clubs approach of making the club an overly happy place to be. It's like camp kookamunda.

There needs to be more of a balance between happiness and fear.

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Reckon the club was worried about player retention after Bolton's final 18 months - a cautionary tale of player power

 

[Mr_Plow]

This.

As little as 1 year ago I would have been dead against bringing in a campaigner like Lyon or Clarko who is "unsociable" and has uncompromisingly high standards - someone who simply does not give a sh*t and will do what needs to be done, and if you can't follow or meet standards you can simply fu** off.

Now I think, even thought it will bring some more short-term pain, it's really our only option to eventually get ourselves out of this never-ending cycle.

It has been too easy/comfortable/joyous to be a Carlton player for far too long. Intermittent fun is fine, but this is a fairly serious competition and the stakes are quite high, given the money involved.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

So he had his first picked midfield available (bar Cunningham who plays flank) he had his first choice defence bar marchbank who hasn't played in 3 years .. loses the midfield battle concedes 100 Plus to lowest ranked side in a game he had to win ..


Good luck making this pile smell like perfume

 

[RedFury]

Reckon the club was worried about player retention after Bolton's final 18 months - a cautionary tale of the dangers of player power

When Bolton left I felt the same - we'd built this "great young list" and I was really concerned they would leave.

Now, I couldn't give a shit.

If we bring in a coach that understands the minimum standards required for prolonged success in AFL and has the respect and authority to implement them unwaveringly, and we have players that, as a result, want to leave, then there's the ****ing door.

Obviously we play it right and try to get a good deal for them. But any time we trade out a player that either can't, or won't, put in the required defensive effort/intensity each and every week, we're a step closer to getting out of this mess.

It might take a while, it might mean again taking a step back in order to take two steps forward, but it just needs to happen.

 

[El Topo]

When Bolton left I felt the same - we'd built this "great young list" and I was really concerned they would leave.

Now, I couldn't give a sh*t.

If we bring in a coach that understands the benchmarks required for prolonged success in AFL and has the respect and authority to implement them unwaveringly, and we have players that, as a result, want to leave, then there's the ******* door.

Obviously we play it right and try to get a good deal for them. But any time we trade out a player that either can't, or won't, put in the required defensive effort/intensity each and every week, we're a step closer to getting out of this mess.

It might take a while, it might mean again taking a step back in order to take two steps forward, but it just needs to happen.

Yep, any player not willing to cop the reality check isn't going to get us there anyway

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I would agree if this was a new issue under Teague. But this has been consistent across our last few coaches. At what point does it become a players problem

Would you suggest sacking the list?

Bolton teams were young and not ready for the most part. Mick tried to implement a Pies game plan.

The confusion and the propensity to give up from this current side is frightening to me.

 

[carlton_99]

Would you suggest sacking the list?

Bolton teams were young and not ready for the most part. Mick tried to implement a Pies game plan.

The confusion and the propensity to give up from this current side is frightening to me.

No of course not. I just don't think the coaching is the major issue. But I respect your opinion and if the club did make the decision to move on and appoint someone else I would give that new person my full support

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

No of course not. I just don't think the coaching is the major issue. But I respect your opinion and if the club did make the decision to move on and appoint someone else I would give that new person my full support

How can coaching not be a major issue? Even if what you say about the list is true it still circles back to coaching and the way the players are managed.