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  1. JimDocker

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    I don't think it was the smartest move from Clarke to say what he said, but just as Whateley is paid to give opinions, Clarke has been in the media for a while now and does have some insight, having had a pretty fantastic career.

    Whateley may have been more articulate, but he was more out of line than Clarke. He apportioned blame in a totally disproportionate manner.
     

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  2. jumboprince

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    He was actually asked in a radio interview what he thought of Australias chances in the test series and how we were tracking with our new philosophy. The way people are acting it is like he called a press conference calling for himself to replace Tim Paine as captain ( although to be fair, I am sure the thought has crossed his mind on a way to regular basis).
     
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    The test careers of both Katich and Symonds had finished before Clarke became captain (a couple of months before he turned 30).

    Other than that, your post was accurate.
     
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    Clarke was VC back then though wasn't he? According to Katich and Symonds he had enough influence to finish both their test careers.

    They still hold a lot of bitterness towards him.

    Symonds finished his own test career by being a booze hound, was lucky to play test cricket in the first place, only Martyn walking away got him a gig.

    Katich was a solid opener but he was no Hayden or Langer and even they weren't that great, flat track bullies come to mind.

    Clarke is a better and more intelligent cricketer than most of the dopes that got gigs on Ch7/Foxtel, looking forward to seeing more barbs from him.
     
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    He more or less issued a press release in the wake of it mate, that’s got more people riled up than what he first said.

    With his original comments plenty of people would disagree - myself included - but say that he’s entitled to that opinion because of his role playing alongside many of the current players. His response to what Whateley said is burring more people up
     
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    Katich’s record albeit abbreviated by comparison, is virtually identical to langer’s.
     
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    That's nothing to brag about, Hayden and Langer looked like Allan Border on the flat pitches here against average bowling attacks.

    They didn't look as good when the Poms worked them over in the 2005 Ashes series.
     
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    Yeah I think you’ll be stretching to find anyone that ever looked their best in every series they ever played.
     
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    Neville's batting has gone to shit.
     
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    I don't think Paine will have a long stint as skipper but nevill deserved to lose his spot, we were getting rolled non stop and he wasn't a bloke who showed he could make runs when we were in trouble, hell Paine played a better innings just last series than anything we ever got from nevill At test level.
     
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    Langer still averaged 43 in the 2005 Ashes..
     

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    And had they said that was why Nevill was dropped it'd be understandable. Instead, we got Smith saying he wasn't talkative enough behind the stumps, suddenly adding 'team motivation' to the list of duties of a wicketkeeper. As bizarre as picking a number 11 on batting strength.
     
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    Even when he returns Smith will have another year's ban on holding a leadership role which should probably see him as too old to return to the captaincy, and the lack of any other alternative right now leads me to think that as long as his form holds up Paine will probably have a three or four year run at the job.
     
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    For mine Smith should have received a far less of a playing ban but permanently dumped from captain.
     
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    Agree with this - he can come back to play but not as captain.
     
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    I doubt Smith would want to be captain anyway, get the feeling he'd prefer to just be one of the boys and concentrate on his batting, he isn't a natural leader.

    He wasn't the worst of the Australian batsmen in that series, certainly not as bad as Hayden who only made a good score at The Oval on a flat batting track.

    Gilchrist had a shocker that series too, Freddie and co had him nicking off to slips and gully when he'd barely had time to take strike.
     
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    The difference was, Clarke seemed to start out his captaincy with the respect of his players. He lost it apparently largely through his own actions.
    Hughes - like Clarke - was always the ACB's (and WACA's) golden boy; add that to the resentment over the WSC split, and Marsh thinking he should have got the gig; Hughes started with his senior players undermining him and dividing the newer players well before he even started as full-time captain.
     
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    Why?
    He’s a cheat
    I don’t understand why he would even be allowed back
     
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    That's because you are a halfwit.
     
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    So Smith cheating makes me a halfwit?
    Wow
     
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    Because Smith is weak and not a strong captain I believe that is why he allowed sandpaper gate to happen. He should be allowed back in the side but he isn’t a suitable or strong enough skipper.
     
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    Agreed was a pissweak leader even before all this stuff, he walks right back into the side he should never captain the side again.

    It's going to hurt not having their runs this summer but long term the rapid ending of that horrible smith/warner/boof leadership group will be a positive for the side.
     
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    Shrek and his minions
     
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    This. Will be a joke if they try and reinstate him, especially given he was a very mediocre Captain anyway.
     
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    The more this goes on, the less I have time for Simon Katich.

    Can a guy get anymore mileage out of an incident where he drunkenly attacked someone and then paints himself as the victim?
     
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