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  1. western royboy

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    Simon Katich is a genuinely good block and a man of integrity. I'm not sure where you got the "drunkenly attacked someone" from but that is not correct and I have that from someone who was there. You are looking at the wrong man. More importantly he is not self absorbed, he has the best interests of the game at heart.
     

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  2. PhatBoy

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    You not understanding what went on and equating it to cheating does.

    Virtually every angle of the story has asserted that smith was not party to exactly what went on, simply got wind that Warner and Bancroft had cooked something up and said ‘I don’t want to know about it.’
     
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    I don't believe that Smith wasn't in on it and I don't believe it was isolated to those three. It's simply implausible that the bowlers weren't in some way party to what went on as well.
     
  4. Tigerssaints

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    Very similar pathetic personalities Clarke and Warner ( must be playing for NSW )
    Its ok for them to say/ do stuff . but if you criticies them they spit the dummy big time , and ruin your career

    "Simon Katich has revealed the personal nature of what Michael Clarke said to him was the breaking point in their infamous dressing room spat at the SCG in 2009.

    Katich reportedly grabbed Clarke by the throat after he complained about why it was taking so long to sing the team song after a Test victory, wanting to leave the ground and head to another venue.

    Katich was unhappy Clarke was trying to rush the custodian of the team song, Michael Hussey, into belting out the tune and in an interview on SEN radio’s This is Your Sporting Life on Sunday, the former Australian opening batsman said he snapped when his younger teammate crossed the line.

    “There’s been a fair bit said about it, I won’t deny that it happened,” Katich said.

    “It was partly to do with the singing of the team song and the pressure that he was putting on Michael Hussey to really get on with it and get on with the night. That probably led to our altercation.

    “But a big part of it from my point of view was what he said to me and the personal nature of what he said.

    “I can’t repeat that on the show unfortunately because I’m sure there are some ladies out there listening.”

    Katich has no regrets over standing up for himself, saying he wasn’t prepared to let Clarke make his comments in front of the rest of the Australian team. He also revealed he approached coach Tim Nielsen and captain Ricky Ponting immediately after the incident to clear the air.

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    Clarke and Katich aren’t on each others’ Christmas card lists.Source:News Limited

    “What was said was said and I reacted accordingly. I can’t take that back now. I don’t regret standing up for myself because I certainly wasn’t going to sit there and listen to what he was saying in front of my teammates,” Katich said.

    “I certainly apologised to my teammates for seeing him storm out and not come back for the song later on.

    “As soon as it happened I spoke to Ricky Ponting and our coach Tim Nielsen about trying to make sure that there wasn’t any issue with it moving forward and Michael assured them and me that wouldn’t be the case.

    “But whenever something like that happens to that nature there’s always going to be, I guess, both parties are going to feel that they’re in the right or the wrong.

    “It was a small part of my career. I don’t look back on my career and judge myself on what happened in the dressing room.”

    Despite playing for years together for NSW and Australia, Katich was never able to mend his relationship with Clarke, which he said is now “non-existent”. It didn’t help when Katich’s international career was abruptly cut short at the same time Clarke assumed the full-time captaincy.

    “You don’t have to be Einstein to figure out that it’s not just the selectors that had a part in sending me on my way,” Katich said a few years ago. “I mean, to be brutally honest, obviously what happened in the dressing room a few years ago didn’t help my cause.”

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    Time doesn’t heal all wounds.Source:News Limited

    Katich never wore the baggy green again after playing England in Adelaide in late 2010 despite being a prolific runscorer in the whites in the years preceding his axing.

    However, as upset as he was not to add to his tally of 56 Tests, Katich understands how lucky he was to represent his country even once.

    “I understand that’s the way it’s panned out but at the time I was obviously very upset because for those three years — from 2008 to 2010 — I was told by one of the journos that I think only two guys in world cricket had scored more Test runs than me in that period,” Katich said.

    “One was the great Sachin Tendulkar and one was (England opener) Alastair Cook who was at the height of his game.

    “That was probably the biggest disappointment, that I felt I’d earned my spot in the team over three really consistent years, I think I’d averaged over 50 opening the batting for Australia in those 30-odd Tests that I played.”
     
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    Isn't it time within the aussie media to let this one go now - its reported annually like a free to air tv station airs Crocodile Dundee as the movie of the week.
     
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    I always defended Clarke over the dressing room incident. The mythical 'custodian of the song' bollocks is exactly the sort of bubble that Australian players are floating around in that causes a disconnect between players and fans.

    Since their retirements, I have found Katich far more likeable than Clarke in their public utterances. I have particularly enjoyed Katich's commentary on the ABC.

    Neither one of them is all good or all bad. I try to judge each action or statement on it's merits.

    It's ridiculous that an answer from Clarke in an interview that could have been in many different ways has grown into a story as big as this.
     
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    Clarke was 100% in the wrong over the dressing room incident, it had zero to do with singing the song, 100% to do with cameraderie noting there were several players playing there first test and it was the end of the series.
     
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    I dunno. Every team I’ve ever been a part of, while tight overall, has also had factions who stick tight and talk about various game plans and ideas among themselves.
     
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    That is a very definitive statement. Not sure that anyone can be 100% correct and somebody else 100% in the wrong over an incident like that. Can't really say that it had nothing to do with the song when Katich himself that he didn't like the pressure the "custodian of the song" was put under.
     
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    The full story will never be told, bits of it are in print but it probable goes to the heart of what type of character M Clarke is.
     
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    A bit of confirmation bias at play there.
     
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    Bowlers would have known the ball was getting scuffed up considerably more than was "normal" but since ball tampering is so common place I doubt they thought anything of it. They probably thought Warner/Bancroft were just being more successful than usual in modifying the ball.
     
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    With the greatest respect, just because someone was there it doesn't mean it's coming from an completely neutral point of view.

    Frankly, no-one covered themselves in glory that night but the fact we are still crapping on about it almost a decade later is just f***ing silly.
     
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    To be fair to Katich - he was doing a 'this is your sporting life' interview. Of course the question about the incident was going to come up. It's really only amplified because of the Whately/Clarke feud, to which Katich played a minor part in, has played out in the past week
     
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    So you also believe that Smith, Philander, Steyn et. al. were in on it when Faf was caught fiddling with the ball twice?
     
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    Thank God for that because I'm sick of hearing about it.
     
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    this, it’s pretty much 10 years old at this point. I’m genuinely tired of hearing about an event that happened that long ago, when the only one in that room still playing is Peter Siddle
     
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    We just spent weeks having the cricket media going over in detail yet again that a sportsman wore a green cap to a tennis match nearly twenty years ago so except to hear this katich and Clarke thing for a few more decades.

    I am more and more convinced our cricket media live for the controversy the sport can bring and the cricket for them is just the minor distraction, the nightmare scenario for them would be a hard fought controversy free series this summer where the bat and ball performances are the talking points.
     
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    Smith wasn’t playing during either occasion from memory and Steyn certainly wasn’t for one of them so probably not :)
     
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    This post doesn’t make sense. You might be sick of hearing about it, but if the full story isn’t told, the media will keep asking about it.
     
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    I'm no fan of Clarke but wanting to leave before that silly vomit inducing "Under the Southern Cross" crappola, I'm sympathetic to him on this one.
     
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    Makes perfect sense. I don't want to hear any more about it, full story or otherwise. I mean, who gives a shit? Why do you, me, the media, or anyone else for that matter need to know? We don't.
     
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    I know that but the media are persistent and won’t stop until they get the full story!
     
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    gee, this is a team representing Australia , and seen as a privilege to sing the song. , i understand Lyon has it at the moment
    Bonnie has had it as well.
    Punter was the captain at the time , and you do not get to leave early ,
    bit like going to your wedding and me leaving before the free food and red bull are served
    Clarke has his own rules . remember when he came home early from NZ because Lara was pissing off
     
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