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Run n Spread said:
If that was the official charge and I don't remember there ever being a hearing or a chance to defend themselves then no way. There have been far far worse instances of Bringing the Game into Disrepute(just a silly catch all rule to get rid of those disliked) than this to suddenly be the precedent.
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What worse instances of bringing the game into disrepute have there been by Australians in the past, say, 40 years?

Has to be by Australians, as the 9 and 12 month suspensions were by Cricket Australia, not the ICC.
 
Run n Spread said:
If that was the official charge and I don't remember there ever being a hearing or a chance to defend themselves then no way. There have been far far worse instances of Bringing the Game into Disrepute(just a silly catch all rule to get rid of those disliked) than this to suddenly be the precedent.
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As an aside, this is the Cricket Australia process:

The Code of Conduct process in this instance is as follows:
  • A report is lodged by the CEO with the Head of Integrity;
  • A review is completed by the Head of Integrity; A Notice of Charge (in conjunction with the report) is provided to the player which includes a specific charge under the Code of Conduct and offers the proposed sanctions;
  • If the player accepts the charge and proposed sanctions, the matter is completed;
  • If the player disputes either the charge or sanctions, there is a hearing before a CA Commissioner;
  • The player may appeal the outcome of that hearing, and if so there is a hearing before an Appeals Commissioner (who is selected from the remaining CA Commissioners).

The players accepted the charges and sanctions, so there was no hearing. There was a full investigation, with which they co-operated fully.
 
JackOutback said:
The short answer as to why they didn't appeal is they didn't want to go to war with CA and end their careers.
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Perhaps, another explanation is the video footage was damning, so what would they say on appeal? I don't know how the sandpaper got in my underwear, maybe Mum put it in there when doing the washing
 

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LeBuddyRoughShow said:
Perhaps, another explanation is the video footage was damning, so what would they say on appeal? I don't know how the sandpaper got in my underwear, maybe Mum put it in there when doing the washing
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No, but they could have pointed out that all other incidents of ball tampering have resulted in short bans. As pointed out, bringing the game into disrepute is a catch-all that allows them to put in place whatever ban they want. CA needed to make a statement, players decided to accept it and hope to resume their career in a year.
 
JackOutback said:
No, but they could have pointed out that all other incidents of ball tampering have resulted in short bans. As pointed out, bringing the game into disrepute is a catch-all that allows them to put in place whatever ban they want. CA needed to make a statement, players decided to accept it and hope to resume their career in a year.
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I heard from a reliable source that Davey wanted to appeal the findings but he wanted to represent himself. Bancroft and Smith talked him out of it before everyone got banned for life
 
big_e said:
What worse instances of bringing the game into disrepute have there been by Australians in the past, say, 40 years?

Has to be by Australians, as the 9 and 12 month suspensions were by Cricket Australia, not the ICC.
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Marsh and Lillee betting against their own side
Warne and Mark Waugh taking money from a bookie to provide inside info
Warne's drug suspension
Even some of the more personal sledging
 
Run n Spread said:
Marsh and Lillee betting against their own side
Warne and Mark Waugh taking money from a bookie to provide inside info
Warne's drug suspension
Even some of the more personal sledging
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Lillee and Marsh - Agreed. Seen at the time to be the actions of larrikins, and dealt with accordingly.
Warne and Waugh were given the biggest fines in Australian cricket history.
Warne was suspended for 12 months by the ACB.
 
Spook said:
They got exactly the same punishment as other had from the ICC for ball tampering. From memory. 1 match each.

Cricket Australia charged them for bringing the game into disrepute which was more around the planning, lying, concealing and what they said in the first post match interview..... they said tape and not sand paper.
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That says it all about how cricket is administered when cheating gets a 1 match suspension
 
Run n Spread said:
This is what doesn't fit.

How did Warner instigate it? Bancroft has been playing representative cricket all his life, followed by Club, State and national Cricket. Pretty sure he knows what ball tampering is and doesn't need a lesson on sand paper. (What exactly was that sugar in his pocket for in the 5th test in Sydney btw?).

All teams in world cricket have been fidgeting with the ball for years. Not surprising given the penalties are lax and the rules inconsistent. Only the sand paper wasn't a great look so scapegoats came. (And maybe the bowlers didn't know specifically about sandpaper but would've known the ball was being "worked on" all summer). "IF" the punishment is for the 1 instance hard to see what Warner has being pinged for.

I'd have them back and lobby the ICC to clarify exactly what the rules are on tampering and crack down on all the ridiculous personal abuse that goes on.
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You realise why Greg Chappell is still reviled across the ditch more than Trevor right?
 
JackOutback said:
No, but they could have pointed out that all other incidents of ball tampering have resulted in short bans. As pointed out, bringing the game into disrepute is a catch-all that allows them to put in place whatever ban they want. CA needed to make a statement, players decided to accept it and hope to resume their career in a year.
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How long is it going to be before people realise that CA is their employer and can ban them as they see fit?
 

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Kram said:
Smiff's suspension was too long, main thing he needed to suffer was permanently losing the captaincy.
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I can't really make a judgement call until we know the whole truth. The CA narrative is this was the first time Australia tampered with a ball and Smith didn't know a thing. The first point is obviously bullshit and the second is doubtful.
 
Mr_Moogle said:
David Warner is a little bitch and a national disgrace. I hope he gets sledged for the rest of his natural life.
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Davie Warner is a legend and I hope he categories his misdemeanours and learns to gather his family into his rehabilitation...

O you are so righteous and never have done anything wrong.. ... shutter club..
 
Leeda said:
Davie Warner is a legend and I hope he categories his misdemeanours and learns to gather his family into his rehabilitation...

O you are so righteous and never have done anything wrong.. ... shutter club..
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Would it stop the earth spinning on its axis and kill every living soul of you just posted one thing that I can understand?
 

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Socrates2 said:
Here's a good article about Warner from 3 years ago Crowe wrote in a column for Cricinfo. “Soon one day it will lead to an incident that will sully the game for good.” and this one https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...r-martin-crowe-thuggish-behaviour-rohit-shrma
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JimDocker said:
I miss Martin Crowe. He was one of the most elegant batsmen of all time and he carried that elegance into his writing. He was a great thinker about the game and he was right.
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Sorry to take this thread off topic, but Martin Crowe was a truly brilliant person and writer. He had more class in his finger nail than Warner does.

After reading his article, I went back and watched his tribute from the innings break at the 2015 World Cup match in Auckland. Absolutely brilliant.

 
JackOutback said:
I can't really make a judgement call until we know the whole truth. The CA narrative is this was the first time Australia tampered with a ball and Smith didn't know a thing. The first point is obviously bullshit and the second is doubtful.
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My conspiracy theory is that Smith/Warner/Bancroft lying to Cricket Australia during the investigation thereby "bringing the game into disrepute" internally as well as externally is the only reason for the bans. Taking the spin job rogue rather than collaborating.
 
Gavin Excell said:
That says it all about how cricket is administered when cheating gets a 1 match suspension
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Yep good point, I agree. But now that the ICC have changed the punshment to 6 test matches or 12 ODIs it now seems more respectable.
 
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Gough said:
Just bought Geoff Lemon's book on the whole sorry saga on on the cover where they've embossed the title they've used sandpaper. For Adelaide people Dymocks in town has shed loads of signed copies of Warnies' new book shaped object.
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Is Roland Perry involved?
 
gordo2016 said:
Aussie crowds will not give it to him mate. One decent score when he comes back and he will be a hero. The opinions of a few chumps on Big Footy is hardly an indication of how the Nation feels about him. Real cricket fans will open him back with open arms.
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Did you mean "open him back with welcome arms"?
 

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