David Warner

[western royboy]

Whiteman been inconsistent this year.
Has 400 for the year with 200 in one innings.

Check my cricket for best performances across the country - got 250 in a grade game

 

[damochandler]

It’s laughable that border and Julian said the selectors should be preparing for the future. They should have done that 4 years ago

 

[big_e]

Most divisive Australian cricketer of his generation going out the same way he entered, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

Came in with a bang, going out with a whimper.

 

[Tugga27]

Check my cricket for best performances across the country - got 250 in a grade game

Thanks, but was referring to Shield runs.

 

[Cleavy]

It’s laughable that border and Julian said the selectors should be preparing for the future. They should have done that 4 years ago

selectors don't prepare for the future. they drive the car until the wheels fall off.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

selectors don't prepare for the future. they drive the car until the wheels fall off.

Renshaw, Kuhnemann, Murphy, Carey, Labs, Head would suggest otherwise.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agar is very fortunate to be there at all.

He never should have been there to begin with.

 

[Belnakor]

Probably before Sydney TBH.

Should have been told that the home summer was his last series. He was never going to succeed in India and England.

If renshaw gets runs in this test he’ll be dropped and won’t get a fairwell test or anything.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Should have been told that the home summer was his last series. He was never going to succeed in India and England.

If renshaw gets runs in this test he’ll be dropped and won’t get a fairwell test or anything.

I'm surprised that he would need to be told that and that he didn't just aim to go out on a high with a big home summer. Goes to show I guess that while some still view him as a big T20 basher on IPL bucks whatever his flaws Warner is a Test cricket tragic committed to trying to excel in the toughest format of the game.

 

[Richard Pryor]

good openers are hard to find.

some of the below were persisted with for too long.

since 79/80 all openers that played a fair proportion of their career there.


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Think career comparisons are a bit harsh to brand new guys like Bancroft and Renshaw who might turn it arond. I think a better thing to look at is averages at the same point in career, here is averages after 10 Tests (if player made it to 10).

	Matches	Average
M. Taylor	10	64
Elliott	10	53.12
Wessels	10	52.2
Slater	10	50.2
Burns	10	49.29
Jacques	10	44.88
Katich	10	44.4
McCosker	10	43.86
G. Marsh	10	41.82
P. Hughes	10	39.55
Blewett	10	38.93
Wood	10	38.85
Laird	10	38.05
Rogers	10	37.84
Renshaw	10	36.64
Pucovski	1	36
Khawaja	10	35
Cowan	10	34.47
Hilditch	10	31.75
Finch	5	28
Langer	10	26.8
Watson	10	26.43
Wiener	6	26
Bancroft	10	26
Hayden	10	25.81
Boon	10	23.94
Harris	10	23.77
Dyson	10	21
WN Phillips	1	11
SB Smith	3	8
Kerr	2	8

 

[Cleavy]

Warner subbed out with concussion, fractured elbow

Matthew Renshaw into the playing XI to replace David Warner who suffered a double blow of a concussion and a hairline fracture during yesterday's dramatic opening session

www.cricket.com.au

Hairline fracture in elbow too.

Might need to give the voodoo doll a rest now.

 

[BStaff17]

Dave Warner walked away from the process to have his leadership overturned to protect his family yet in his wife's memoir which will be released in April, you can bet sandpapergate will feature in the book thus rehashing the whole story which the Warner family will have to live through again.

Tbf that whole process was a joke.

CA made it a circus.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Biting comment on Cricinfo;

Thanks for your occasionally great service David. Not so much thanks for dragging Australian cricket into the gutter.

Enjoy a no doubt lucrative few years on the T20 carousel and quietly choof off.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's time...

Difference in reflexes between Head & Warner was stark.

 

[Blue1980]

It's time...

Difference in reflexes between Head & Warner was stark.

Yes often you get an idea that a guy is really finished when they somehow manager to survive an hour or two.

 

[big_e]

Biting comment on Cricinfo;



Thanks for your occasionally great service David. Not so much thanks for dragging Australian cricket into the gutter.

Enjoy a no doubt lucrative few years on the T20 carousel and quietly choof off.

His test performance has been poor for some time and he should have been dropped a while ago, but....

David Warner has played for Australia almost 350 times, with 17,000 runs. He's won two World Cups, and one of those, he was the player of the tournament. His career record is up there with the best, probably in the top five openers we've ever had.

"Occasionally great service" - FFS...

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

His test performance has been poor for some time and he should have been dropped a while ago, but....

David Warner has played for Australia almost 350 times, with 17,000 runs. He's won two World Cups, and one of those, he was the player of the tournament. His career record is up there with the best, probably in the top five openers we've ever had.

"Occasionally great service" - FFS...

I am happy with the qualification used. You have conflated his Test performances with white ball cricket.

As a Test cricketer, Warner had a fine record as a Flat Track Bully on decks that suited him in Australia and early in his career in SA. He was a liability on most overseas tours throughout his career especially against good opposition on decks not to his liking. The guy was also a head case, suspended for fighting in England and should have been sent home after the tunnel incident in SA.

It was a joke he was selected for this tour. The results he achieved were on par with the expectations of cricket followers who have memories greater than a goldfish.

 

[to1994]

His test performance has been poor for some time and he should have been dropped a while ago, but....

David Warner has played for Australia almost 350 times, with 17,000 runs. He's won two World Cups, and one of those, he was the player of the tournament. His career record is up there with the best, probably in the top five openers we've ever had.

"Occasionally great service" - FFS...

There's been some poor comments about him, however as always with sport it's people being emotional about the here and now.

Shane Watson was treated even worse in his final years (towards the end people were hurling abuse and demanding Mitch Marsh replace him who ended up copping it even worse). However as time went on, people have started to be pretty positive towards Watson, acknowledging he was a quality opener for a few years and overall had very good stats for an all-rounder.

With Warner it'll be the same, in a few years people will acknowledge he was one of our best openers who had a terrific first half of his career. His Test career fell off somewhat after sandpaper which I think has caused some to overstate his weakness overseas. Before sandpaper he was honestly pretty decent overseas (outside India). Quality innings in South Africa, UAE, Bangladesh (not easy despite what some on here might say) and he was a solid contributor in the 2015 Ashes.

 

[BStaff17]

There's been some poor comments about him, however as always with sport it's people being emotional about the here from now.

Shane Watson was treated even worse in his final years (towards the end people were hurling abuse and demanding Mitch Marsh replace him who ended up copping it even worse). However as time went on, people have started to be pretty positive towards Watson, acknowledging he was a quality opener for a few years and overall had very good stats for an all-rounder.

With Warner it'll be the same, in a few years people will acknowledge he was one of our best openers who had a terrific first half of his career. His Test career fell off somewhat after sandpaper which I think has caused some to overstate his weakness overseas. Before sandpaper he was honestly pretty decent overseas (outside India). Quality innings in South Africa, UAE, Bangladesh (not easy despite what some on here might say) and he was a solid contributor in the 2015 Ashes.

Not managing to score a test 100 in either England or India across 23 tests will always leave an asterisk against his record.

The greats got it done abroad Davey just didn't.

Multiple 100s in Cape Town test in 2014 constitutes 33% of his test 100s overseas is quite staggering.

 

[to1994]

Not managing to score a test 100 in either England or India across 23 tests will always leave an asterisk against his record.

The greats got it done abroad Davey just didn't.

Multiple 100s in Cape Town test in 2014 constitutes 33% of his test 100s overseas is quite staggering.

Joe Root has never scored a hundred in Australia - he'll likely go down as England's best ever bat.

Don't think anyone is arguing Warner is an all-time great like Sachin or Ponting, just that he's been a very good opener.

 

[11kgm]

The flat track bully is done I guess we give Bancroft a second chance

If we don't like that option Hughes could be a good option seems to be in form

If not go a hail Mary in Hunt or Ward

 

[MisterMarcus]

It’s laughable that border and Julian said the selectors should be preparing for the future. They should have done that 4 years ago

tbf, as I noted on another thread, a lot of the batsmen that were supposed to be that next wave coming through (Dean, Burns, Patterson, Maddinson, Handscomb, Harris, Bancroft, Lehmann) never really came on and established themselves in the way the selectors would have hoped.

 

[Partridge]

Joe Root has never scored a hundred in Australia - he'll likely go down as England's best ever bat.

Don't think anyone is arguing Warner is an all-time great like Sachin or Ponting, just that he's been a very good opener.

No he won't. Not remotely.

 

[PhatBoy]

No he won't. Not remotely.

This. Most prolific perhaps but not best.

And even the point about his record in Australia is a bit misleading anyway.
Yes it’s below his best but curiously he passes 50 every 3rd innings in Australia which is better than the likes of David Warner and many other batsmen across their career - normal for a good batsman is somewhere between 3-4 innings per 50.
Root passes 50 in Australia often enough to actually have a fantastic record here if he could somehow get past what is surely a mostly mental hurdle of making a really big score

 

[to1994]

No he won't. Not remotely.

Not remotely is a big call, who from let's say the 70s onwards would you consider better?