David Warner

[Jaymin]

How many people have seen him bat in the longer form of the game?

He is averaging 50, he is form.

Give him a go.

 

[Ricky]

Is this a joke, he's played just 9 first class games.

Yeah, if I remember correctly Warne only played 7 first class games before he got selected for Australia. Oh dear god, this is the worst thing ever!

See what the guy can do at test level before you criticise him first!

 

[dan warna]

How many people have seen him bat in the longer form of the game?

He is averaging 50, he is form.

Give him a go.

hodge was dropped after averaging 58 in tests...oh wait that was on the back of a double century and a couple of 50s.... but wait, you can select NSW players on the back of a handful of innings, straight in, but you can drop others after a long successful shield career and a big hit up in the tests.

Did anyone notice that dhussey had a shield career as long and as successful as his brothers, but was shamelessly overlooked for spuds like north. So they throw him a bone at the end of his career of a ca contract and a few dozen ODI's.

But don't worry, you can judge guys like smith and warner on 20 minutes of state cricket and catapult them straight to test level!

 

[no_remorse28]

hodge was dropped after averaging 58 in tests...oh wait that was on the back of a double century and a couple of 50s.... but wait, you can select NSW players on the back of a handful of innings, straight in, but you can drop others after a long successful shield career and a big hit up in the tests.

Did anyone notice that dhussey had a shield career as long and as successful as his brothers, but was shamelessly overlooked for spuds like north. So they throw him a bone at the end of his career of a ca contract and a few dozen ODI's.

But don't worry, you can judge guys like smith and warner on 20 minutes of state cricket and catapult them straight to test level!

Hodge never helped him self by openly criticizing the board at any chance he had, even when he was in the squad, wasted talent yes, but on the same note he was getting on in age and always critical, dug his own grave imo, D Hussey has shown he is a flat track first class bully, Graeme Hick any one, never looks comfortable at International level, Maybe big Bro's shadow ways him down. Big FC averages don't always become big test averages, its about the talent to do it and the board clearly thinks D Warner has it and he backed it up with runs for the A side, how many times does it have to be said, if a footballer dominates the 2nd's, he puts his hand up for the main side, The A side is our 2nds and he smashed a heap of runs. Maybe you should blame the fact he was in the A squad, rather then the bloke who was picked for talent and then showed it.

 

[no_remorse28]

he would only need 1 game in NSW colours for auto selection...

Did any one ever stop to think that NSW are just generating better talent then any one else, Im an SA boy through and through, We have Callum who has just as questionable a record as S Marsh at FC level, Love to claim Lyon, but fact is he is from the ACT and is one who switched states for a chance. So far has made the most of it. Victoria have 1 young knocking on the door in J.Pattinson. Qld have a few decent young talents who this coming season have a bog chance to put there hands up. WA has the younger Marsh who is a while off yet, a good young opener but no-body is a real stand out either. Tasmania are a great team of FC talent, all contribute in smaller ways to make up for not having a dominant player, Cozzie is good but never will feature in Aus talks again, Cowan is similar in age and talent to S Marsh. I think Marsh is the better option.

Hughes is young and has a heap of 100's to his name already

Khawaja has excited everyone around the country from only making 27 and 17 on debut, he showed enough and has also made a heap of runs in the Shield.

Copeland earnt his spot through sheer amount of wickets against any one and every one since his debut 2 years ago.

Warner is questionable yes, but made the most of the A tour where the others had the same chance to steak a claim

Hazlewood and Starc both have huge promise as Quick's and have been earmarked for years. Cummins will get a mention soon, at 17 has huge up side as well.

Maddison is clearly one of the best young bats going around, go on all ya want but what other young opener is always pushing for a spot in the FC side around the country. He also reeled off a ton on debut, and looked class doing it.


The current test side has Watson, Lyon, Harris, Ponting, Hussey, S.Marsh will play, Johnson all from out side NSW, regardless if Watson has moved there now, he may play 5 games in the next 5 years for them.

Maybe we should try and name our talent out side that state who have a greater claim as the next up and coming test cricketers for Australia

 

[mattymac]

quite a hot topic considering he's just going over as window dressing and won't play

 

[no_remorse28]

quite a hot topic considering he's just going over as window dressing and won't play

True that. Most of the points being raised I thought were said on the earlier pages, how ever my post regarding where a player comes from i.e NSW is just because I dont think people realize no other state is producing top notch talent

 

[Simple Jack]

Andrew McDonald can also bowl with discipline which was something we've desperately needed (up until this test really). You can put up with Mitch leaking runs at one end in the search for a wicket if the other end is being held tight, what killed us was getting spanked at both ends.

Mitch was a better bowler with McDonald in the team, he can bat too.

 

[mattymac]

True that. Most of the points being raised I thought were said on the earlier pages, how ever my post regarding where a player comes from i.e NSW is just because I dont think people realize no other state is producing top notch talent

don't forget cozzie. we produced him and he is top notch. we just have a fattist administration haha. boonie would have no hope these days

but of course its true that new south produce the lion's share of talent. not only do they have the largest pop, but anyone who isn't built for rugby tends to go into cricket, unlike in the southern states

 

[mattymac]

i can't see mcdonald squeezing in tbh

 

[krisholio14]

i can't see mcdonald squeezing in tbh

Should never have been dropped in the first place.

 

[Hellgood]

I like MacDonald, but I find it hard seeing him back in the Test team. Only possible way is if Copeland is "found out" and is exposed for his lack of pace and at the same time Khawaja and Marsh are injured leaving the number 6 spot available, whoever the keeper is goes up to 6 and MacDonald bats at 7 and we bring in someone like Pattinson, then we still have the 120kmh accurate bowler, but we have a 140kmh aggressive bowler in the team as well. Only problem is that we lose a fair bit of Batting strength, but that just depends on how well MacDonald bats at test level.

 

[FishingRick04]

I just don't get my Fergusson is always put up as the next guy in but never is selected? He's made plenty of runs in the international 1 dayers and 20 -20, he's a good performer at state level and surely he's due?

 

[mattymac]

I just don't get my Fergusson is always put up as the next guy in but never is selected? He's made plenty of runs in the international 1 dayers and 20 -20, he's a good performer at state level and surely he's due?

well i don't think he's too far away but my gut feeling is they procrastinated for too long to integrate fergs and the likes of marsh in. realistically steps should've been taken in that direction when hussey was 6 months into his year long crap spell. then at least one of them would be well bedded in by now. i doubt fergs will get more than a cameo appearance as a short term replacement for australia now. he's getting on. he's in good form though. needs to keep up the application and concentration he showed in zim. and you never know what the new selectors will bring to the table in terms of having a pair and making hard calls for the benefit of list management with an eye on the back to back ashes...

my gut feeling is that they're just rewarding warner for form in zim. it was pretty neck and neck between him and fergs over there. i think they both hit 150 odd in the same game then both hit 50 odd then fergs hit another 50 odd but warner r*ped them for 200 odd. so going on that form...you can't ship two blokes over as needless replacements

 

[dan warna]

well i don't think he's too far away but my gut feeling is they procrastinated for too long to integrate fergs and the likes of marsh in. realistically steps should've been taken in that direction when hussey was 6 months into his year long crap spell. then at least one of them would be well bedded in by now. i doubt fergs will get more than a cameo appearance as a short term replacement for australia now. he's getting on. he's in good form though. needs to keep up the application and concentration he showed in zim. and you never know what the new selectors will bring to the table in terms of having a pair and making hard calls for the benefit of list management with an eye on the back to back ashes...

my gut feeling is that they're just rewarding warner for form in zim. it was pretty neck and neck between him and fergs over there. i think they both hit 150 odd in the same game then both hit 50 odd then fergs hit another 50 odd but warner r*ped them for 200 odd. so going on that form...you can't ship two blokes over as needless replacements

also they were from SA and not NSW so didn't really care.

 

[CAS79]

Shield Final. Hit 90 I think, stance is different, temperament is far different. doesn't open himself up any wear near as much, granted that Zimbabwe is what they are, he also made runs V south Africa A and my point really for the argument really is that Whilst he is probably not the best batsmen outside the test squad, there are a few older compatriots that spring to mind, he is the bloke who dominated the recent "A" series, basically our second XI. So what is the point of that squad if the runs dont get rewarded. He wont play barring Injury, but it is reward for being the best at the second tier level. Which I agree with

Talk about making stuff up.

Got bowled by Doherty in the first session of the game because he couldn't resist loading up (Temprement) and snicked a Hilfy off cutter (Technique) early in the second. his shield final was at best a pass and the way he was first out opening up the game was disappointing.

His only first class century of last season was against pace bowlers, Hogan, Coulter-Nile and Dixon... Nathan Hauritz got more first class century last summer than Warner.

 

[no_remorse28]

Talk about making stuff up.

Got bowled by Doherty in the first session of the game because he couldn't resist loading up (Temprement) and snicked a Hilfy off cutter (Technique) early in the second. his shield final was at best a pass and the way he was first out opening up the game was disappointing.

His only first class century of last season was against pace bowlers, Hogan, Coulter-Nile and Dixon... Nathan Hauritz got more first class century last summer than Warner.

Just checked and yes you are right, I did how ever watch his game V WA on the cricket Australia stream, also found a stream and watched the Aus A series recently completed, Shield final I was wrong, The rest, well you do the research and tell me if i was wrong in regards to his batting style, completely different.

 

[Selective Retention]

Watson getting his body right killed McDonald's test career. That and the fact he looked out of his depth batting at international level and to play test cricket he had to justify he was good enough for 6/7 and he looked a long way off at the time.

 

[CAS79]

Just checked and yes you are right, I did how ever watch his game V WA on the cricket Australia stream, also found a stream and watched the Aus A series recently completed, Shield final I was wrong, The rest, well you do the research and tell me if i was wrong in regards to his batting style, completely different.

I didn't watch the A series.

I pride myself on watching a lot of domestic cricket, I enjoy it as much if not more than the international stuff.

Warner has been working on his technique but to talk up his domestic average based on on the bowling attack he faced in the WA game and Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe had a good spinner but the pace attack was poor.

If you want to talk about an innings in first class you might want to have a look at his 99 against Victoria.

When Ferguson returned to the Shield game after his lay off he was superb and is every inch the test cricketer and has shown that over a fair period.

Mark Cosgrove is probably the best of the batsman behind Ferguson but that's never going to happen is it.

This inst to bag Warner but anything away from twenty/20 cricket he is inconsistent. This call up is again a slap in the face for four day cricketers who perform over an extended period but to ensure CA don't have to pay for yet another player for the tour who's not on contract.

 

[no_remorse28]

I didn't watch the A series.

I pride myself on watching a lot of domestic cricket, I enjoy it as much if not more than the international stuff.

Warner has been working on his technique but to talk up his domestic average based on on the bowling attack he faced in the WA game and Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe had a good spinner but the pace attack was poor.

If you want to talk about an innings in first class you might want to have a look at his 99 against Victoria.

When Ferguson returned to the Shield game after his lay off he was superb and is every inch the test cricketer and has shown that over a fair period.

Mark Cosgrove is probably the best of the batsman behind Ferguson but that's never going to happen is it.

This inst to bag Warner but anything away from twenty/20 cricket he is inconsistent. This call up is again a slap in the face for four day cricketers who perform over an extended period but to ensure CA don't have to pay for yet another player for the tour who's not on contract.

I to go out of my way to see and follow as much shield cricket as I can, it is a passion, I did see vision of his 99. I rate the way he is starting to apply himself to longer forms, i think people who write him off based on his T20 exploits have not looked into it enough, I am not saying he is the best option to send, how ever regardless of opposition my argument is and has always been that he made the most of the A series and has been rewarded, We have made a clear indication that the A team is now to be used as a serious tool for introducing talent to the next level, basically copying the Lions for England, to me they have just started to try and implement this.

Young players will now be vying for that A squad spot to push there credentials for the national sides, with CA stating that the A teams fixtures will substantially increase I think this is a great way of allowing players to essentially play off in the same conditions against the same side for any potential spot that may come up. Warner has benefited from making the most of this before the serious changes for the A side is made and it becomes the national audition side for higher honors, I Dont expect him to be top of the group for long, now that players can see through Warner what there results in the 2nds will mean, I expect this to create fiercer competition then ever for a baggy green.

 

[western royboy]

Words fail. All power to David Warner in trying to get into a Baggy Green and it's not his fault they selected him but seriously this is wrong. If there is not a better bat to be sent over - even if it is just as a backup then we are in bigger trouble than I thought.

And now it's prayer time.

 

[The_Reaper]

Words fail. All power to David Warner in trying to get into a Baggy Green and it's not his fault they selected him but seriously this is wrong. If there is not a better bat to be sent over - even if it is just as a backup then we are in bigger trouble than I thought.

And now it's prayer time.

Who else is there?

Ferguson - despite looking great- has never made the big runs and had a high average over a shield season.

Cosgrove is out for obvious reasons.

The next generation of Lynn and Maddinson look very promising, but are 1-2 years off.

Katich, Hodge, Hussey, North etc will never be back.

Who else?

Cowan?

 

[western royboy]

Who else is there?

Ferguson - despite looking great- has never made the big runs and had a high average over a shield season.

Cosgrove is out for obvious reasons.

The next generation of Lynn and Maddinson look very promising, but are 1-2 years off.

Katich, Hodge, Hussey, North etc will never be back.

Who else?

Cowan?

If you are good enough - then you are old enough, I would have taken Maddinson in preference to Warner and I would have taken Ferguson over Maddinson. Shaun Young has a Test Cap, Jamie Siddons doesn't - sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time ala Mike Whitney and once again good luck to Warner but that doesn't make it right. Stats are sometimes irrelevent, someone gets injured on the morning of the match and all of a sudden he's in, yet he's no certainty to play for NSW - that's the issue. All of this looking to the future crap is bullshit. Pick the best available - everytime.

 

[no_remorse28]

If you are good enough - then you are old enough, I would have taken Maddinson in preference to Warner and I would have taken Ferguson over Maddinson. Shaun Young has a Test Cap, Jamie Siddons doesn't - sometimes you just have to be in the right place at the right time ala Mike Whitney and once again good luck to Warner but that doesn't make it right. Stats are sometimes irrelevent, someone gets injured on the morning of the match and all of a sudden he's in, yet he's no certainty to play for NSW - that's the issue. All of this looking to the future crap is bullshit. Pick the best available - everytime.

Once again, Australia is trying to establish its young talent pool and not try and go back to 30 year olds who show us no path to the future.

Warner out performed Usman, Ferguson, Hughes, Finch, Paine and M Marsh. They are trying to establish Australia A as the clear path to the test side, He out performed others who are either in the side or fringe, he gets his go. Why is that such a problem. If he gets in tomorrow due to an injury and hits a ton, then what, We say good work bud, but your not the next best available just a gap filler for now, so thanks for that go work on cementing a spot for NSW, I dont think so. Chances are he wont play, But CA see's something in him and putting him around the Test set up might increase that huge hunger he already has for a baggygreen. This is not a big deal, it is reward for performing at the right time.

 

[Tom12]

Warner would be a hilarious selection. He can go big, but provides no stability, technique has a way to go I think, plenty of improvement left.

There has to be a better option, regardless of age.