Davis, Cox And Egan!!!!!! (merged)

[Marklar_33]

Can the club force players to not leave the hotel?

Well Im guessing they can as they are out for a week!

 

[Frederlick]

I'm sorry, but I think this is ridiculous. Night game = back late anyway. Who cares if 3 players want to head out for a couple of hours to celebrate a good win. If it was the 2 Shaws and Thomas would we have dropped all three? Or are we just scared of what the AFL might do to us if we stuff up. What happens if one of our players drops some rubbish on the ground or picks his nose in public? A $5000 fine and a loss of draft picks for the next 20 years. OVERREACTION!

I think they are more worried about other clowns having a go at them, you know, for your own protection and all that. Collingwood player= target for thug. I think this is a small price to pay over a nothing incident, which doesn't affect any KPPs. When I first saw it I thought 'look out'. However it now appears this is an internal matter, and is obviously about the player groups values being broken, trust, blah, blah, blah. Pretty simple instruction disobeyed , then broke the golden rule: don't get caught. Lets not start ******g spiders over this, nothing event to some young kids (1 not so young kid), good to see some backbone amongst the leaders.

 

[RustyG]

And another thing. Can the club force players to not leave the hotel? There is a big difference between heading out for a couple of quiet beers to getting in a fight over whether it's 2 shots on the black.

I know there's lots of evidence (Cousins, Hall, etc) that says players need to be told when and what to do 24 hours a day, but could we just think about it for a minute, and remember it's a free country! How far does their employment agreement stretch? 24x7x52?? I think not!

It's not that they left the hotel,it's that they broke the team rules.
The rules would have been told to every single player on our list before the start of the season.

Even when I was playing Amatuers,we had a rule saying that you can't get on the piss the night before,and everybody agreed to the rule at the start of the season,and stuck to it.

 

[Optimax]

Re: Oh no leon, coxy and eegs

I don't think that would have much to do with it, you're assuming alot of things there. You don't know if they even asked Dick and whether they are actually that close.

No i dont think it assuming too much ive spoken to Brad before and he is very close to Cox and sees Leon as a big brother/ Mentor so i say well done he knew what was right and did it showed a good maturity

 

[magpies42]

Re: Davis, Cox And Egan!!!!!!

For Egan thats just really really really stupid Davis probably moreso. At least Cox has his recent good form to make him feel secure.

Egan and especially Davis are already on knife edges far as I can see.

dont count on it, none of those players deserve to regain there spots the following week. They are all good,but not that outstanding. Give brown a chance instead of presti.

 

[didaka]

The club has done the right thing, but at the end of the day it's only a minor indescretion and hopefully all three players learn their lesson from it. Lets hope they put in on Sunday for Willy and earn their spots back with some good form.

The one good thing that comes out of this is that players at the club know they will now be punished if rules are broken.

 

[WakeUpPies]

im actually not very sad about this, meddy didaks and holland can all come in now without any hard decision to drop someone, but hopefully leon and coxy get a turn soon

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

I'm happy with this.

It's little things like this that stop team incidents from escalating to West Coast Eagle-levels.

If these guys are being suspended for leaving the hotel without even getting into an incident, simply because they were told not to, then they're definitely going to know what is going to happen to them when they do something a lot worse.

Besides, Didak for Davis, Medhurst for Egan, Wakelin/Goldsack for Cox... Pretty easy swaps to make. If Brodie is to come straight back into the team, then that's another spot to be found - Possibly one of Presti/Clement not coming up.

 

[MagpieDean]

It's not that they left the hotel,it's that they broke the team rules.
The rules would have been told to every single player on our list before the start of the season.

Even when I was playing Amatuers,we had a rule saying that you can't get on the piss the night before,and everybody agreed to the rule at the start of the season,and stuck to it.

But that's before the game, this is after. Assuming their night out didn't affect their post-game recovery, what is the harm?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm sorry, but I think this is ridiculous. Night game = back late anyway. Who cares if 3 players want to head out for a couple of hours to celebrate a good win. If it was the 2 Shaws and Thomas would we have dropped all three? Or are we just scared of what the AFL might do to us if we stuff up. What happens if one of our players drops some rubbish on the ground or picks his nose in public? A $5000 fine and a loss of draft picks for the next 20 years. OVERREACTION!

When you play for Collingwood, you do what you are damn well told. No exceptions.

These three just made selection for round 7 a whole lot easier. I hope the club includes either Goldsack or Wellingham for their first games, maybe both if there are injuries, along with whoever is fit out of Holland/Didak/Medhurst. Wakelin if Clement or Presti are to miss.

 

[jerry springer]

as ive said in an another thread, this is a footy club not the military.let the boys celebrate a win FFS.I know there are team rules,but that appears to be a shit rule

 

[RustyG]

But that's before the game, this is after. Assuming their night out didn't affect their post-game recovery, what is the harm?

I know it was after the game,but that's not the point.
They broke the team rules.
I've got no problem with them having a beer after the game,but the rules were put in place for a reason.

 

[anzacs]

Sends a good tough message.. discipline wins premierships

 

[Bay Pie]

If you had to pick any 3 players to miss next week, these 3 probably had the least form along with Dick appearing to need a rest at Willy.

How stupid can you be? They could have gotten smashed at the team hotel and it wouldn't have been a huge issue, but they disobeyed what all their teammates obeyed.

Sets a standard for the year now.

P.S. No way would Daisy, Rhyce and Heath go against team rules.

 

[Big Bryza]

I'd rather stay in my hotel room then go out in Adelaide.

 

[jerry springer]

**** the rules,millane wouldnt get a game if he played now

guys cant even have a beer anymore,its not communist china.

 

[Jabso]

Don't you dare bring communism into this!
Damn McCarthyists.

 

[jerry springer]

Don't you dare bring communism into this!

ahhhh well im absolutly filthy on this mate.i just cant see one positive this gives our team,and i'll spew if someone says "discipline"

the guys played there heart out,won the match. let them go out and enjoy themselves in a different city.give them a guard or chaperone if we are so fussed about security or incidents...


who else thinks this just a pile of shit?seriously? forget the fact they are professional footballer for a second.they did what they were paid to do.let them have some time away from the game.

 

[Hadders]

I'm happy with this.

It's little things like this that stop team incidents from escalating to West Coast Eagle-levels.

If these guys are being suspended for leaving the hotel without even getting into an incident, simply because they were told not to, then they're definitely going to know what is going to happen to them when they do something a lot worse.

Besides, Didak for Davis, Medhurst for Egan, Wakelin/Goldsack for Cox... Pretty easy swaps to make. If Brodie is to come straight back into the team, then that's another spot to be found - Possibly one of Presti/Clement not coming up.

I totally agree with Vinnie on this one.

This isn't a bad thing at all. With the young and up and coming team that we've got messages have to be sent that this sort of stuff, no matter how minor is not on.

If they let even a minor breaking of the rules slide, players are going to know they can get away with a bit more and keep pushing the boundaries until we have another Benny Johnson and Chris Tarrant incident on our hands which affects the way the team performs.

This may sound like a crazy comment but it might even be better for the long term prospects of the team if we lost to Carlton by a couple of points on the weekend after this incident happened. Then the players would see that even the smallest of bad decisions can have an impact on the entire team and all of them can learn a lesson that will strengthen their commitment and desire for the future.

 

[jerry springer]

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This may sound like a crazy comment but it might even be better for the long term prospects of the team if we lost to Carlton by a couple of points on the weekend after this incident happened. Then the players would see that even the smallest of bad decisions can have an impact on the entire team and all of them can learn a lesson that will strengthen their commitment and desire for the future.

that is crazy

we need top 4 this year to do any damage

 

[Hadders]

that is crazy

we need top 4 this year to do any damage

I'm coming from the position that I don't think this is our year to win the flag. It's still a learning process for a lot of the players and losing to Carlton this week could be one of the more important lessons they learn this year that will help them for the future.

I'm thinking short-term pain for long-term gain.

 

[jerry springer]

I'm coming from the position that I don't think this is our year to win the flag. It's still a learning process for a lot of the players and losing to Carlton this week could be one of the more important lessons they learn this year that will help them for the future.

I'm thinking short-term pain for long-term gain.

i can see part of your point,but we need every point we can get.injuries could cripple us later

i still think this is a crap move by the leadership group,we should handle it in-house.with out letting the press know everything.what happen in round 22 if a few senior players stuff up?

 

[Hadders]

i can see part of your point,but we need every point we can get.injuries could cripple us later

i still think this is a crap move by the leadership group,we should handle it in-house.with out letting the press know everything.what happen in round 22 if a few senior players stuff up?

That's the point of the suspension. The senior player's wouldn't act up in Round 22 because they know what the consequence would be, that they'd miss a final. In theory anyway.

But if senior players did exactly the same thing in R22 and weren't suspended it would make this current suspension meaningless so I'd hope and expect that it'd be the same rule for Nathan Buckley as it is for Chris Egan.

 

[jerry springer]

kids will be kids,what we dont want is a divide between older,married,settled players and our young kids

lets just hope the club remembers we are here to win footy games not act like Nazis every time one stuffs ups

 

[Frederlick]

**** the rules,millane wouldnt get a game if he played now

guys cant even have a beer anymore,its not communist china.

Don't think they were on the dry. Just not allowed out, Tarrant and Holland screwed it for the rest last year, can't blame the club, they have got better things to do than baby sit.