Draft Watcher Davo-27's 2019 Draft Watch
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maybe thats why you thought Young was terrific, he made so many errors in the first half i wrote in my notes he was choking, he had an ok last quarter, but that doesnt forgive a near nightmare of a game until that point.
i think he was a decent squad member and worth a late pick or rookie spot, i doubt he will go high in the draft but a good late pick option for us, he has potential.
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Post Championships top 40
1. Matthew Rowell
2. Caleb Serong
3. Noah Anderson
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4. Tom Green GWS A
5. Will Gould
6. Lachlan Ash
7. Sam Flanders
8. Deven Robertson
9. Hayden Young
10. Brodie Kemp
11. Harry Schoenberg
12. Liam Henry Fre NGA
13. Fischer McAsey
14. Luke Jackson
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15. Jackson Mead Port F/S
16. Jeremy Sharp
17. Mitch O'Neill
18. Will Day
19. Riley Garcia
20. Cameron Taheny
21. Dylan Williams
22. Trent Bianco
23. Cody Weightman
24. Finn Maginness Haw F/S
25. Dylan Stephens
26. Riley Baldi
27. Josh Worrell
28. Trent Rivers
29. Trey Ruscoe
30. Cooper Stephens
31. Flynn Perez
32. Charlie Comben
33. Kysaiah Pickett
34. Ned Cahill
35. Thomson Dow
36. Jack Mahony
37. Brock Smith
38. Lachlan McNeil
39. Josh Shute
40. Elijah Taylor
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for me this is close to the final top 40 unless theres someone dominate the finals series of the u/18 in the respective states, was very impressed by some players and not so impressed by others at the Championships, but the 4 games each team has played has solidified my thoughts on each player as well as the trial games and form.
i believe this draft goes 40 deep in strength, with a larger group outside the 40 which has players who might get drafted or who might not, i will list a large list of names that are at the next tier and what regions they come from:
Allies: Connor Budarick, Sam Gaden, Hewago Paul-Oea, Malcolm Rosas Jnr, Luke Parks, Sam Thorne, Josh Gore, James Peatling, Jackson Barling, Liam Delahunty, Logan Fitzgerald, Ben Kelly, Noah Cumberland
Vic Metro: Charlie Dean, Mitch Mellis, Lachlan Stapleton, Zak Pretty, Adam Carafa, Ryan Byrnes, Miles Bergman, Harrison Jones, Daniel Mott, Nick Bryan, Hugo Ralphsmith, Jackson Davies, Ryan Sturgess, Aaron Clarke, Angus Hanrahan, Sam Philp, Harrison Minton-Connell, Sam Ramsay, Lachlan Potter, Louis Butler, Corey Watts, Oscar Lewis, Lucas Rocci, Darcy Cassar, Josh D'Intinosante
Vic Country: Jay Rantall, Sam De Koning, Ryan Sparkes, Jye Chalcraft, Liam Herbert, Mitch Martin, Riley Wilson, Harrison Pepper, Brady Rowles, Chas Karpala, Darcey Chirgwin, Jesse Clark, Ben Worme, James Schischka
SA: Karl Finlay, Jed McEntee, Dyson Hilder, Tom Rundle, Harrison Magor, Callum Park
WA: Mitch Georgiades, Chad Warner, Jai Jackson, Jarvis Pina, Jake Pasini, Jack Musika, Max Murphy, Tyrone Thorne?
*players underlined i believe are in a good place to be drafted from this list
1. Matthew Rowell
2. Caleb Serong
3. Noah Anderson
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4. Tom Green GWS A
5. Will Gould
6. Lachlan Ash
7. Sam Flanders
8. Deven Robertson
9. Hayden Young
10. Brodie Kemp
11. Harry Schoenberg
12. Liam Henry Fre NGA
13. Fischer McAsey
14. Luke Jackson
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15. Jackson Mead Port F/S
16. Jeremy Sharp
17. Mitch O'Neill
18. Will Day
19. Riley Garcia
20. Cameron Taheny
21. Dylan Williams
22. Trent Bianco
23. Cody Weightman
24. Finn Maginness Haw F/S
25. Dylan Stephens
26. Riley Baldi
27. Josh Worrell
28. Trent Rivers
29. Trey Ruscoe
30. Cooper Stephens
31. Flynn Perez
32. Charlie Comben
33. Kysaiah Pickett
34. Ned Cahill
35. Thomson Dow
36. Jack Mahony
37. Brock Smith
38. Lachlan McNeil
39. Josh Shute
40. Elijah Taylor
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for me this is close to the final top 40 unless theres someone dominate the finals series of the u/18 in the respective states, was very impressed by some players and not so impressed by others at the Championships, but the 4 games each team has played has solidified my thoughts on each player as well as the trial games and form.
i believe this draft goes 40 deep in strength, with a larger group outside the 40 which has players who might get drafted or who might not, i will list a large list of names that are at the next tier and what regions they come from:
Allies: Connor Budarick, Sam Gaden, Hewago Paul-Oea, Malcolm Rosas Jnr, Luke Parks, Sam Thorne, Josh Gore, James Peatling, Jackson Barling, Liam Delahunty, Logan Fitzgerald, Ben Kelly, Noah Cumberland
Vic Metro: Charlie Dean, Mitch Mellis, Lachlan Stapleton, Zak Pretty, Adam Carafa, Ryan Byrnes, Miles Bergman, Harrison Jones, Daniel Mott, Nick Bryan, Hugo Ralphsmith, Jackson Davies, Ryan Sturgess, Aaron Clarke, Angus Hanrahan, Sam Philp, Harrison Minton-Connell, Sam Ramsay, Lachlan Potter, Louis Butler, Corey Watts, Oscar Lewis, Lucas Rocci, Darcy Cassar, Josh D'Intinosante
Vic Country: Jay Rantall, Sam De Koning, Ryan Sparkes, Jye Chalcraft, Liam Herbert, Mitch Martin, Riley Wilson, Harrison Pepper, Brady Rowles, Chas Karpala, Darcey Chirgwin, Jesse Clark, Ben Worme, James Schischka
SA: Karl Finlay, Jed McEntee, Dyson Hilder, Tom Rundle, Harrison Magor, Callum Park
WA: Mitch Georgiades, Chad Warner, Jai Jackson, Jarvis Pina, Jake Pasini, Jack Musika, Max Murphy, Tyrone Thorne?
*players underlined i believe are in a good place to be drafted from this list
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Thought that Ben Johnson was draftable. Quick and an excellent kick. Thoughts?
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he will go somewhere in the top 10, im not sure what individual clubs have as their top 10 so im unsure
he could be, didnt stand out as much as others and only the top 60 or so will get selected, he, O'Connor and Clarke were similar in that they showed something, but was it enough to be drafted, maybe an outside chance?
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Theres a lot to work with in Jarvis Pina IMO
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yes, i talked about him a few months ago, he has good combine results, seems a likely type, 176cm is a bit short for a half back/wing, but he plays well and thats what matters most, his height might hold him back a little from an AFL perspective, depends if a club wants to take a chance on him.
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Zero chance Kemp goes at 10...Both he & Green, along with Rowell, will make-up the Top 3.
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Thanks for terrific insight Davo. Lots of great kids made their mark this championships. Although not draft related I will throw in my top 10 championships. I feel I’ve gone defensive a bit but quite difficult to do
1. Devon Robertson
2. Caleb Serong
3. Luke Jackson
4. Matthew Rowell
5. Liam Henry
6. Lachlan Ash
7. Tom Green
8. Brodie Kemp
9. Hayden Young
10. Will Gould
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Agreed he won't last long. I've got him at 4, Rowell, Young, Anderson, Kemp and Green. Green will likely be bid on early by the crows though
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Just in terms of the SA kids, there's little doubt Stephens will be the first picked. If a club wants a running midfielder in the top 10, nobody else would be considered. Recruiters like him.
I like the Gould and Day rankings. Schoenberg seems far too high for me though.
I like the Gould and Day rankings. Schoenberg seems far too high for me though.
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Dylan Stephens seemed too left sided for me and was a little disappointing in the champs compared to what i was hearing and seeing from his SANFL form, a bit too skinny/light and not as impactful as i wanted him to be, similarly to Taheny, so i dropped them down the order a bit, i wish Dylan Stephens had impressed me enough to be in my top 10, but he didn't.
Schoenberg is under-rated because he lacks the hype/reputation, but from what i saw of him at the champs in all 4 games, no bad games btw(also good trial form btw, thats 5 good games), he was only behind Robertson, Serong, Flanders, Rowell, Anderson and Green as far as midfielders are concerned, Garcia would have been in the conversation if he didnt break his leg, he was on pace to go close to 100 disposals in the champs.
oh and the top 3 disposal players were Robertson with 120 disposals, Schoenberg with 108 disposals and Rowell at 99.
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I think Schoenberg is overrated based on the 4 games personally. On BigFooty at least, I’m not expecting the actual draft media to have him so high. He performed well, no doubting that. But recruiters don’t get sucked into just looking at the stats sheet. Projecting his AFL potential, I’d have concerns about whether his size will allow him to transfer his game across. And he doesn’t have the versatility or impact to play multiple positions at the moment. Rating just the Champs performances, then yes top 10 would be fair. But draft wise, second to third round in my opinion.
I thought Stephens showed the most AFL potential of our mids by far.
I thought Stephens showed the most AFL potential of our mids by far.
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we can agree to disagree on this, if i were head of recruiting, i would choose Schoenberg who can play as well on the inside as outside and hit targets on the run, he has high impact and has the endurance and reliability to go high in the draft imo.
Concerns on size
Ability to play multiple positions
Surely you're also talking about Stephens then? Are you attempting to tell me his size and ability to play other positions is not a concern? You use those to discredit Schoenberg, but not Stephens?
Interesting discussion.
How would you compare Schoenberg to Jack Graham.
Graham won the Lark Medal in 2016, but was drafted at pick 53, albeit in a much deeper draft.
Height is not the be all for inside mids as Lachie Neale has shown, but you need to have elite skills in close, evasiveness and run both ways.
How would you compare Schoenberg to Jack Graham.
Graham won the Lark Medal in 2016, but was drafted at pick 53, albeit in a much deeper draft.
Height is not the be all for inside mids as Lachie Neale has shown, but you need to have elite skills in close, evasiveness and run both ways.
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Schoenberg is 180cm 78kg i dont see size as being an issue at all? and he seemed a normal size against his peers
he runs both ways, he is clean with disposal, he seemed to link a lot of disposal, i would love to see his DE% i would guess its 75% or thereabouts anything over 70% is good for an inside mid, he bursts away from packs as well and won the 2nd most clearances and had the 2nd most touches, this on top of leading my notes as highest impact during games, a bunch of notes and stats i personally take at games.
where will clubs draft him? i dont know but i know i would take him fairly high because i think he will do very well at AFL level.
I think you’re missing the point.
I asked how Schoenberg compared to Jack Graham. And how about other inside mids who went late in the draft, such as James Worpel, Charlie Constable, etc.
I’m not talking size either.
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i would say Schoenberg's outside game is better than Graham and Worpel mainly because they are the more strongly built inside mids (in fact WA's Garcia could be measured more along the lines of Worpel and Graham imo), but he also has the inside grunt and he has the ability to burst away from packs which the other 2 lack a bit, his main asset is his work rate(repeat sprints) to get to contests even when not periods of time stopped due to ball ups ect, i liked that he was clean in the 3rd and 4th quarters mostly when others were making errors through fatigue.
in a weird way i would compare him closer to Matthew Rowell than Graham or Worpel, obviously without the years of achievements that Rowell has.
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no, he plays a different brand of football, he is more like a Tom Mitchell type, gets in and under gets the handball out or boot it forward and does alright when he has space, i assume you've seen these guys play, what are your thoughts?
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