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Draft Expert Davo-27's 2022 u18 Draft Thread

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The Filth Wizard said:
I'd be surprised if we went a tall at pick 1 unless they surge into the position. If Ashcroft stays or Wardlaw is there then we'll pick them. I hear we're very interested in Sheezel too. Depending on the PP debate or future trading I think we'll look at talls a little later. I know some outsiders see the KPP stocks as short for us (and they are to a degree) but Dawson and Comben are internally rated very highly and when you have pick 1 you don't draft for needs, you just take the best kid.
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i like Comben, he is a quality young ruck/kpf, if he can get over his injuries i think he'll be a much better option than CCJ imo, Comben is in his 3rd season and so should be getting more opportunities soonish? averaging over 2 goals a game in the VFL with an ability to also be back up ruck which is good in a North VFL team that is pretty weak.
 
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i like Comben, he is a quality young ruck/kpf, if he can get over his injuries i think he'll be a much better option than CCJ imo, Comben is in his 3rd season and so should be getting more opportunities soonish?
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Yeah, they've been really trying to get him in. He's had bad luck with injury and was on a good run in the VFL but then they made the choice to get some screws taken out of his knee and hopefully stop some of these issues. Should be back in a fortnight.
 
blueiris said:
Personal opinion do you see Ashcroft Nominate the Lions clearly the number 1 pick in an open draft would Lions trade they’re first round pick and whatever they get for McStay as points can be made up of later picks rumoured we’re looking at Fogarty to replace McStay
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Please use punctuation. It really is hard to read some your posts sometimes.

We can’t use unlimited number of late picks to match an Ashcroft bid. We can only use the same number of picks, as we have vacant lists spots to match.
 

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blueiris said:
Personal opinion do you see Ashcroft Nominate the Lions clearly the number 1 pick in an open draft would Lions trade they’re first round pick and whatever they get for McStay as points can be made up of later picks rumoured we’re looking at Fogarty to replace McStay
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i think Ashcroft is the best player in the draft and i think he is likely to pick Brisbane, unless he has a desire to goto North and stay in Melbourne? which i think is unlikely, i can see other people favour Wardlaw at pick 1, whom i also love watching, these 2 i have had as elite talents for 12 months, but i think a few others are joining that group and the champs have cleared a few things up, also North may take the number 1 pick for media reasons and the $10k portfolio the first pick gets, so he might go 2nd pick?

I'll update my lists and thoughts after this weekends games, finally seeing WA and the rest of the teams 1 more time.
 
briztoon said:
Please use punctuation. It really is hard to read some your posts sometimes.

We can’t use unlimited number of late picks to match an Ashcroft bid. We can only use the same number of picks, as we have vacant lists spots to match.
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I always get confused re the bolded briz... tell me if I have it right > say we have 4 list spots vacant > we can then only take 4 picks to draft night > however on the night we can trade those picks for multiple picks and end up with as many selections as we want.

eg. take picks 18, 38, 40, 50 to the draft and then trade out one/any of them for multiple picks on the night and end up with something like 23, 25, 31, 39, 50, 55 to match bids????
 
M Malice said:
I always get confused re the bolded briz... tell me if I have it right > say we have 4 list spots vacant > we can then only take 4 picks to draft night > however on the night we can trade those picks for multiple picks and end up with as many selections as we want.

eg. take picks 18, 38, 40, 50 to the draft and then trade out one/any of them for multiple picks on the night and end up with something like 23, 25, 31, 39, 50, 55 to match bids????
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I don’t think this is how it works but would also like clarification.

My understanding is that in matching bids you can only use points from the number of picks equal to the number of open list spots. You can take more picks to the draft but if you only have 4 list spots vacant you have to match the bid with points from your highest 4 picks.

When it comes time to matching a bid on Fletcher you will then only be able to use points from 3 picks. Because you will be looking to take both Ashcroft and Fletcher I suspect you’ll initially rock up to the draft with more picks than open list spots.
 
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doggiesin08 said:
I don’t think this is how it works but would also like clarification.

My understanding is that in matching bids you can only use points from the number of picks equal to the number of open list spots. You can take more picks to the draft but if you only have 4 list spots vacant you have to match the bid with points from your highest 4 picks.

When it comes time to matching a bid on Fletcher you will then only be able to use points from 3 picks. Because you will be looking to take both Ashcroft and Fletcher I suspect you’ll initially rock up to the draft with more picks than open list spots.
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No, it does not work that way (the extra pick stuff you said).

All teams have to submit a list lodgement to the AFL one week before the draft.

So if you have 4 vacant list spots, you keep your first 4 picks for the draft, and the AFL take away any later picks and they are binned.

Say we match the bid on Ashcroft at pick 2. Our highest pick slides up to pick 2, and if we use tall points of all 4 picks matching the bid, then our other 3 picks slide to the back of the draft.

Say there are 68 picks in the draft. Our 3 picks slide back to picks 66, 67 and 68.

Those three picks still have a points value, and our 3 “new” picks inherit those points.

We can do a live trade on the night, and trade a future second round pick for a second round pick in this draft.

If we don’t send back one of our 3 later picks in the trade, we lose the last pick, as we still only have 3 available list spots.
 
briztoon said:
No, it does not work that way (the extra pick stuff you said).

All teams have to submit a list lodgement to the AFL one week before the draft.

So if you have 4 vacant list spots, you keep your first 4 picks for the draft, and the AFL take away any later picks and they are binned.

Say we match the bid on Ashcroft at pick 2. Our highest pick slides up to pick 2, and if we use tall points of all 4 picks matching the bid, then our other 3 picks slide to the back of the draft.

Say there are 68 picks in the draft. Our 3 picks slide back to picks 66, 67 and 68.

Those three picks still have a points value, and our 3 “new” picks inherit those points.

We can do a live trade on the night, and trade a future second round pick for a second round pick in this draft.

If we don’t send back one of our 3 later picks in the trade, we lose the last pick, as we still only have 3 available list spots.
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Feel free to use a contraction. Sometimes it feels like I'm reading/replying to a Bot ;)
 
Just wondering a stat you think clubs will value above more than others. One I look at is score involvements.
The top 5 players in the AFL is full of Quality.
Petracca 8.3 per game
Bont 8.3
Shai Bolton 7.7
Jeremy Cameron 7.7
Hawkins 7.6
Clayton Oliver 7.4
Neale 7.1

NAB league leaders
Ashcroft 9.1
Charlie Clarke 8.8
Tsatas 7.4
Sheezel 7.2
Cam Mackenzie 6.7
Nick Watson*6.7

All elite. Ashcroft proves his quality week in week out. Clarke probably a surprise or not getting recognition just yet. Other will be first round 2022 selection and Watson touted top 5 in 2023
 
briztoon said:
No, it does not work that way (the extra pick stuff you said).

All teams have to submit a list lodgement to the AFL one week before the draft.

So if you have 4 vacant list spots, you keep your first 4 picks for the draft, and the AFL take away any later picks and they are binned.

Say we match the bid on Ashcroft at pick 2. Our highest pick slides up to pick 2, and if we use tall points of all 4 picks matching the bid, then our other 3 picks slide to the back of the draft.

Say there are 68 picks in the draft. Our 3 picks slide back to picks 66, 67 and 68.

Those three picks still have a points value, and our 3 “new” picks inherit those points.

We can do a live trade on the night, and trade a future second round pick for a second round pick in this draft.

If we don’t send back one of our 3 later picks in the trade, we lose the last pick, as we still only have 3 available list spots.
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Thanks for clarifying.

What about what the previous poster said in relation to live-trading on the night? Could you take [4] picks to the draft and then split a pick to have more than [4] used for matching bids? Or would you lose your last pick the moment you attempt to split?
 
Davo-27, do you think that the only reason Ashcroft would not nominate for Brisbane was if Hawthorn or Essendon finished last as i dont think he would want to play at North or travel to WA?
 
Big_Newon said:
Davo-27, do you think that the only reason Ashcroft would not nominate for Brisbane was if Hawthorn or Essendon finished last as i dont think he would want to play at North or travel to WA?
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I dont know, he has hinted he wants to stay in melbourne, but also that he likes it in the Lions system, i think atm he is keeping his options open, then closer to the draft he will make his decision, which is likely Brisbane because they have a good environment and culture recently.
 

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from the u16's, players i like (2024 draft)

Vic Metro:
1.Lucas McInerney - hbf/mid
2.Lucas Grego - tough mid
3.Josh Smillie - really good def
4.Ty Kitchell - forw
5.Jayden Nguyen - wing
6.Patrick Said - smart sml def
7.Damon Hollow - highly skilled but slowish
8.Jagga Smith - quick but very slim
9.Luke Trainor - KPD
10.Isaac Kako - sml creative forw
11.Tadgh McCarthy - KPD
12.Sam Fanning - KPF
13.Levi Ashcroft - mid
14.Roman Black - Tall utility

Vic Country:
1.Finn O'Sullivan - pick 1 contender/great mid
2.Zac McInnes - KPF/Ruck, kicked 5 goals
3.Oliver Warburton - mid
4.Tobie Travaglia - quality def
5.Sam Lalor - strong mid
6.Angus Morrison - KPF
7.Jack Ough - quality def
8.Xavier Lindsey - creative flanker
9.Xavier Ivisic - hbf with smarts
10.Jasper Alger - forw

South Aust:
1.Dyson Sharp - dominant intercepting def with good disposal, great footy smarts and composure
2.Tyler Welsh - potential pick 1/ top tier KPF
3.Sid Draper - quality mid
4.Lucas Camporeale - mid/hbf
5.Benny Barrett - Ky Pickett type forw
6.Phoenix Hargrave - rebounding def
7.Jacob Newton - mid
8.Will McCabe - KPD/speedy
9.Sam Burbridge - rebounding def
10.Beau Ryan - creative forw
11.Kade Herbert - utility
12.Harry Dodd - intercepting def

West Aust:
1.Otis Harvey - mid
2.Deian Roberts - mid/quick
3.Hugh Boxshall - def
4.Harry Jones - def
5.Trent Hiscock - KPD
6.Thomas Cathcart - KPD
7.Xavier Walsh - med forw
8.Jaxon Douglas - KPD/KPF
 
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Davo-27 said:
I dont know, he has hinted he wants to stay in melbourne, but also that he likes it in the Lions system, i think atm he is keeping his options open, then closer to the draft he will make his decision, which is likely Brisbane because they have a good environment and culture recently.
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Davo-27 said:
13.Levi Ashcroft - mid
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Might also be his best chance to play with his brother too.
 
Davo-27 said:
from the u16's, players i like (2024 draft)

Vic Metro:
1.Lucas McInerney - hbf/mid
2.Lucas Grego - tough mid
3.Josh Smillie - really good def
4.Ty Kitchell - forw
5.Jayden Nguyen - wing
6.Patrick Said - smart sml def
7.Damon Hollow - highly skilled but slowish
8.Jagga Smith - quick but very slim
9.Luke Trainor - KPD
10.Isaac Kako - sml creative forw
11.Tadgh McCarthy - KPD
12.Sam Fanning - KPF
13.Levi Ashcroft - mid
14.Roman Black - Tall utility

Vic Country:
1.Finn O'Sullivan - pick 1 contender/great mid
2.Zac McInnes - KPF/Ruck, kicked 5 goals
3.Oliver Warburton - mid
4.Tobie Travaglia - quality def
5.Sam Lalor - strong mid
6.Angus Morrison - KPF
7.Jack Ough - quality def
8.Xavier Lindsey - creative flanker
9.Xavier Ivisic - hbf with smarts
10.Jasper Alger - forw

South Aust:
1.Dyson Sharp - dominant intercepting def with good disposal, great footy smarts and composure
2.Tyler Welsh - potential pick 1/ top tier KPF
3.Sid Draper - quality mid
4.Lucas Camporeale - mid/hbf
5.Benny Barrett - Ky Pickett type forw
6.Phoenix Hargrave - rebounding def
7.Jacob Newton - mid
8.Will McCabe - KPD/speedy
9.Sam Burbridge - rebounding def
10.Beau Ryan - creative forw
11.Kade Herbert - utility
12.Harry Dodd - intercepting def

West Aust:
1.Otis Harvey - mid
2.Deian Roberts - mid/quick
3.Hugh Boxshall - def
4.Harry Jones - def
5.Trent Hiscock - KPD
6.Thomas Cathcart - KPD
7.Xavier Walsh - med forw
8.Jaxon Douglas - KPD/KPF
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Tasmania ;(
 
VM V WA - 101-74

what a great game of footy, highly skillful, tough and contested and with a good amount of scoring on a nice sunny winters day

VM:
Will Ashcroft - was a star again, had Ginbey in the 2nd push him out of contests and Cole in the last, but even with 25 or so disposals was probably best on for VM, wonderful talent.
Matthew Jefferson - could also be considered best on ground for doing something no one has done since Schache and kick more than 6 goals in a champs game with 7, great marking and the odd free kick for chopping of the arms and wonderfully accurate goal kicking with 7 straight
Cam MacKenzie - again was 2nd fiddle to Ashcroft in the midfield, just runs and takes on opponents
Al Davey Jnr - by far the best game i have seen him play, seemed to want to impress Eddie Betts who was there with his brother in support of him, kicked 2 goals in the last quarter and was handy in the midfield all game
Harry Shhezel - when he went near the footy he madethings happen, whether kicking goals, firing off bullet like passes or using his blistering speed, he was an excitement machine when near the ball

other players who had good games imo: Drury, Hotton, Clarke, Philactides, Anderson, Pavlidis, Weddle, Hayes

WA:
Elijah Hewett - i think he was the best player on the ground in a losing team, showed leadership qualities, strength of will, kicked 2 great goals, went head to head as the attacking mid for WA against Ashcroft and i think on skill Ashcroft won, but he had mostly a 4 quarter effort which gives him the edge in this game
Reuben Ginbey - impressed by how quick this big guy can move, was Hewetts right hand man in the midfield and in the 2nd quarter tried pushing Ashcroft out of the way which was kindve effective
Jedd Busslinger - intercepted a lot of ball, but didnt play on Jefferson which is what we all wanted to see and that meant Jefferson had a lesser defender and then punished them with 7 straight

other players who had good games imo: Jones, Hagan, Hardeman, Tholstrup, Julian, Gilbey, Michael, Bevan, Broadbent
 
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Walkingwounded said:
Looks like one of the heads has poked up and said something…

But fair call no Allies in that list.
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yea i have not seen the broken apart allies games yet, i dont have a lot of desire to watch tas v nt, bris a v gc a and syd a v gws a to maybe find 5 players i like, if i have time and im bored i might?
 

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Davo-27 said:
VM V WA - 101-74

what a great game of footy, highly skillful, tough and contested and with a good amount of scoring on a nice sunny winters day

VM:
Will Ashcroft - was a star again, had Ginbey in the 2nd push him out of contests and Cole in the last, but even with 25 or so disposals was probably best on for VM, wonderful talent.
Matthew Jefferson - could also be considered best on ground for doing something no one has done since Schache and kick more than 6 goals in a champs game with 7, great marking and the odd free kick for chopping of the arms and wonderfully accurate goal kicking with 7 straight
Cam MacKenzie - again was 2nd fiddle to Ashcroft in the midfield, just runs and takes on opponents
Al Davey Jnr - by far the best game i have seen him play, seemed to want to impress Eddie Betts who was there with his brother in support of him, kicked 2 goals in the last quarter and was handy in the midfield all game
Harry Shhezel - when he went near the footy he madethings happen, whether kicking goals, firing off bullet like passes or using his blistering speed, he was an excitement machine when near the ball

other players who had good games imo: Drury, Hotton, Clarke, Philactides, Anderson, Pavlidis, Weddle, Hayes

WA:
Elijah Hewett - i think he was the best player on the ground in a losing team, showed leadership qualities, strength of will, kicked 2 great goals, went head to head as the attacking mid for WA against Ashcroft and i think on skill Ashcroft won, but he had mostly a 4 quarter effort which gives him the edge in this game
Reuben Ginbey - impressed by how quick this big guy can move, was Hewetts right hand man in the midfield and in the 2nd quarter tried pushing Ashcroft out of the way which was kindve effective
Jedd Busslinger - intercepted a lot of ball, but didnt play on Jefferson which is what we all wanted to see and that meant Jefferson had a lesser defender and then punished them with 7 straight

other players who had good games imo: Jones, Hagan, Hardeman, Tholstrup, Julian, Gilbey, Michael, Bevan
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For Metro I thought McKenzie was better than Ashcroft IMO. Haven't seen the stats but I think Ashcroft was more inclined (or at least equally inclined) to handball with his disposals. I thought McKenzie was more adventurous and important with his touches.
Hewett was BOG, aggressive around the contest, setting up a number of players for goal scoring opportunities and finishing with two himself.
 
Apologies I only have VM stats. WA to come soon.
Mackenzie - 28,
Ashcroft - 25,
Philactides - 20
Weddle - 20
Verrell - 19
Hayes - 19
Davey - 19,
Drury - 17
Hotton - 17,
Hempel - 14
Sheezel - 14,
Clarke - 13,
Anderson - 13
Windsor - 11
Edmends - 11
Jefferson - 10, 7 goals
Kizan - 8
Caddy - 8
Pavlidis - 8
O’Keefe - 8
Grant - 7
Petric - 6
Rowe - 5
 
eaglespremiers said:
For Metro I thought McKenzie was better than Ashcroft IMO. Haven't seen the stats but I think Ashcroft was more inclined (or at least equally inclined) to handball with his disposals. I thought McKenzie was more adventurous and important with his touches.
Hewett was BOG, aggressive around the contest, setting up a number of players for goal scoring opportunities and finishing with two himself.
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McKenzie got 3 more disposals, but Ashcroft not only had poss, but most of his were in the coal face having to manoeuvre through groups of mids and rucks and find space which is more impactful than getting a handball receive or a loose ball, also a handball in traffic hitting someone free is better than a hack kick, its all context, i scored Hewett 23, Ashcroft 18 and McKenzie 16 in my personal ranking system(the top 3), i dont care about disposals, unless its after the fact and im trying to separate players who i rank similarly.
 
Davo-27 said:
McKenzie got 3 more disposals, but Ashcroft not only had poss, but most of his were in the coal face having to manoeuvre through groups of mids and rucks and find space which is more impactful than getting a handball receive or a loose ball, also a handball in traffic hitting someone free is better than a hack kick, its all context, i scored Hewett 23, Ashcroft 18 and McKenzie 16 in my personal ranking system(the top 3), i dont care about disposals, unless its after the fact and im trying to separate players who i rank similarly.
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Love your work Davo, I have my rankings system too in which disposals are not counted and funny enough (my scoring system is higher due to the many factors I count up) I had Hewett 46, Ashcroft 40, McKenzie 35, Jefferson 35, Davey/Weddle/Jones/Ginbey all equal on 30 points.
 
Smythe said:
Love your work Davo, I have my rankings system too in which disposals are not counted and funny enough (my scoring system is higher due to the many factors I count up) I had Hewett 46, Ashcroft 40, McKenzie 35, Jefferson 35, Davey/Weddle/Jones/Ginbey all equal on 30 points.
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Here are vic metro stats. I’m waiting for WA’s to be sent through.
My best VM Jefferson Ashcroft Davey McKenzie Weddle.
WA Hewett Jones coke Ginbey Hagan
 

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Allies 42 V Vic Country 75

a dominant display from Vic Country, very defensive game and some poor skills from both sides, but Vic Country remain undefeated

Allies:
Marlin Corbett - was 1 of a few Allies who played well today
Tom McCallum - was again a really impressive defending performance, got put onto Konstanty in the last to quell his influence
Jed Walter - went goaless, but worked into the contest especially early
Brandon Leary - being in the right spot and taking his chances with 3 goals

Vic Country:
Mitch Szybkowski - i thought he was the best player on the field, his work in close in the midfield the whole game was great, didnt make many errors and teamed up with Clark and others to control the midfield all game
Jhye Clark - again a fantastic display from the Geelong midfielder, his forward entries were the best from VC and he set up plenty of opportunities to score
Ted Clohesy - played a solid role through defence and the midfield, i thought he showed composure and skill
Jaxon Binns - even though he made a lot of errors, he was just so busy and won a tonne of poss, not his best game but still worked hard
Jacob Konstanty - kicked 3 goals and was a dangerous leading small forward, couldve kicked 4-5
Aaron Cadman - kicked a couple of goals couldve been 4 a bit inaccurate, also set up others for 3-4 scoring chances and the run off the mark on 50 to then miss on an angel from 15m was buddy-like with that big contested mark in the goal square just before 3/4 time screams potential star, exciting talent

mentions: Mitchell, Long, Hollands, Burgiel, H.Reid, Vickery, Bond, Hustwaite, Van Es
 
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