Draft Expert Davo-27's 2023 Draft Thread

[Ysaye]

Koltyn was one of the guys I was hoping to watch the most this year so hopefully your right and he turns it on at 18’s level.

I still think people are underestimating Sanders and finding reasons to rate lower than look at some of the stuff he does well. I thought he used the ball well on the weekend.
Respect your view however and keep up the good work

Part of me wonders with Tholstrup whether he gets a double knock by recruiters because of question marks over his preseason (noting he had the difficult task of driving there and back from Esperance, but why was he playing bush league?) and then they add his current performances and get Three?

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Hyd

Keep both just remove the discount make clubs pay market value the priority access is advantage enough.

Hush.... Its our turn to benefit from f/s finally.

 

[weltschmerz]

I like not seeing Luamon Lual in a top 40, it'd be a slide but maybe not impossible.

 

[botts]

I just saw an article saying suns can only match two academy bids in the top 20? Who do you think they let slide ?

 

[Mutineer]

I like not seeing Luamon Lual in a top 40, it'd be a slide but maybe not impossible.

Just on Lual what's the go with Buku Khamis?
Looked to have some talent but not sighted this season.

 

[briztoon]

I just saw an article saying suns can only match two academy bids in the top 20? Who do you think they let slide ?

Link.

 

[weltschmerz]

Just on Lual what's the go with Buku Khamis?
Looked to have some talent but not sighted this season.

Not a clue. We've moved him forward and he's behind a few there, but he came into the system as an intercepting defender, and I'm sure he'd be better than Tim ****ing O'Brien.

 

[BurnaHawks]

Link.

Suns face awkward dilemma as finals could spoil Academy plan; father-son bolters: Draft Watch

Stars threatening to spearhead an unthinkable boilover; two father-son gun bolters: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Giant Strides]

Main point from that article:

It’s prompted recruiters to revisit an AFL draft rule that could leave the Suns with a tough conundrum come the end of the year. As first flagged by The Age on Wednesday, AFL rules state a club can’t match more than two bids on academy prospects in the top 20 of a draft if, in that same year, it makes the finals and is eliminated prior to preliminary final weekend. A club, too, is restricted to matching one first-round academy bid if it’s among the last four teams remaining in the finals.

The rule was introduced during the mid to late 2010s when the Giants were constant finals features and gained access to an array of top prospects from their own academy, such as Jacob Hopper

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Jacob Hopper

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

, Matthew Kennedy, Harry Himmelberg, Will Setterfield

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Will Setterfield

Age

28

Ht

192cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.1

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

4.4

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Harry Perryman

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Harry Perryman

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

and Isaac Cumming

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Isaac Cumming

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.2

4star

. So should the Suns make this year’s finals series, they could be faced with a tough call to ignore one of their academy stars.

 

[briztoon]

Main point from that article:

It’s prompted recruiters to revisit an AFL draft rule that could leave the Suns with a tough conundrum come the end of the year. As first flagged by The Age on Wednesday, AFL rules state a club can’t match more than two bids on academy prospects in the top 20 of a draft if, in that same year, it makes the finals and is eliminated prior to preliminary final weekend. A club, too, is restricted to matching one first-round academy bid if it’s among the last four teams remaining in the finals.

The rule was introduced during the mid to late 2010s when the Giants were constant finals features and gained access to an array of top prospects from their own academy, such as Jacob Hopper, Matthew Kennedy, Harry Himmelberg, Will Setterfield, Harry Perryman and Isaac Cumming. So should the Suns make this year’s finals series, they could be faced with a tough call to ignore one of their academy stars.

Does the rule include father sons, or a combination of father sons and academy prospects.

Asking for a team next year.

 

[Sphynx]

Does the rule include father sons, or a combination of father sons and academy prospects.

Asking for a team next year.

Doesn't include father sons, as you should know.

You finished top 4 last year and selected 2 x first round father sons.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Does the rule include father sons, or a combination of father sons and academy prospects.

Asking for a team next year.

Of course it doesn’t.

 

[briztoon]

Doesn't include father sons, as you should know.

You finished top 4 last year and selected 2 x first round father sons.

Of course it doesn’t.

Weeeeeee.

 

[FB19]

Hi everyone we are spamming Davos thread again this is ti discuss his draft rankings. I just created a thread called

Academy and FS rules and potential changes​

To have general discussion about the rules add new ones we find out given it’s mostly in secret and seemingly made up as the AFL go along and discuss what we would do to improve the system. Hope to see you there. Sorry I’m not that savvy with how the site works so wasn’t sure how to provide a direct link. Hope to see you there it’s a really interesting discussion.

 

[SSSSSS]

Hi everyone we are spamming Davos thread again this is ti discuss his draft rankings. I just created a thread called

Academy and FS rules and potential changes​

To have general discussion about the rules add new ones we find out given it’s mostly in secret and seemingly made up as the AFL go along and discuss what we would do to improve the system. Hope to see you there. Sorry I’m not that savvy with how the site works so wasn’t sure how to provide a direct link. Hope to see you there it’s a really interesting discussion.

 

[plays tall 1]

Davo, what do you see Tholstrup projecting as at AFL seniors level? I look at his game (albeit based on a small sample size) and can’t see him making it as a forward, just doesn’t seem to have the requisite speed, height or tricks.

Do you think he could have scope as a big bodied midfielder? I recall a bloke called Fyfe played as a half forward for WA at under 18s and made that transition quite well.

 

[Davo-27]

Davo, what do you see Tholstrup projecting as at AFL seniors level? I look at his game (albeit based on a small sample size) and can’t see him making it as a forward, just doesn’t seem to have the requisite speed, height or tricks.

Do you think he could have scope as a big bodied midfielder? I recall a bloke called Fyfe played as a half forward for WA at under 18s and made that transition quite well.

He can play 2 roles really well from what I have seen over the years, strong marking forward and accumulator midfielder, he does win a lot of ball in midfield but has played mostly forward recently, he looked OK in the AFL Academy series, but I'm hoping to see a more dynamic performance from him more like previous years, at AFL level he would start as a forward likely playing that extra midfielder hff position and rotate through midfield as he develops a tank, being a dual position type forw/mid

I have him pretty high in my rankings mostly based on past performances, but if he doesn't perform to expectations then i might have to drop him down the list as others show more in their draft year, he was one of WAs best last year and a stand out talent, so I'm expecting him to perform at a high standard.

 

[Sickblue]

Davo, assuming Blues get a pick in the vicinity of 7-12 (once FA compo and academies are done) who do you think we could look at in this range?

 

[Davo-27]

Top 40 June

1. Harley Reid - Bendigo - 185cm 85kg
2. Jed Walter - Gold Coast A - 195cm 91kg (GCSA)
3. Colby McKercher - Tasmania - 181cm 72kg
4. Daniel Curtin - Claremont - 196cm 91kg
5. Jake Rogers - Gold Coast A - 172cm 67kg (GCSA)
6. Nick Watson - Eastern - 170cm 67kg
7. Nate Caddy - Northern - 192cm 91kg
8. Darcy Wilson - Murray - 185cm 73kg
9. Jack Delean - Sth Adel - 181cm 73kg
10. Mitch Edwards - Peel - 207cm 90kg (Frem NGA)
11. Zane Duursma - Gippsland - 189cm 79kg
12. Koltyn Tholstrup - Subiaco - 188cm 80kg
13. Logan Evans - Norwood - 188cm 77kg
14. Harry Demattia - Dandenong - 184cm 77kg
15. Nathan Philactides - Oakleigh - 181cm 78kg
16. Harvey Johnston - Sandringham - 184cm 76kg
17. Will McCabe - Central Dist - 197cm 81kg (Haw FS)
18. Ethan Read - Gold Coast A - 200cm 90kg (GCSA)
19. Ollie Murphy - Sandringham - 200cm 85kg
20. Jordan Croft - Calder - 200cm 80kg (WB FS)
21. Archer Reid - Gippsland - 203cm 93kg
22. Ryley Sanders - Sandringham(Tas) - 186cm 85kg
23. Thomas Anastasopoulos - Geelong - 176cm 66kg
24. Will Lorenz - Oakleigh - 186cm 70kg
25. Ashton Moir - Glenlg - 188cm 84kg
26. Joel Freijah - GWV - 191cm 86kg
27. Riley Hardeman - Swan Dist - 188cm 80kg
28. Will Brown - Sandringham - 194cm 86kg
29. Angus Hastie - Geelong - 189cm 77kg
30. Miles Enders - Sandringham - 188cm 86kg
31. Logan Morris - Western - 191cm 90kg
32. Connor O'Sullivan - Murray - 198cm 92kg
33. Will Patton - Wst Adel - 192cm 79kg
34. Clay Hall - Peel - 190cm 85kg
35. Oskar Smartt - Bendigo - 179cm 85kg
36. Koen Sanchez - East Frem - 178cm 71kg
37. Alex Holt - Sturt - 180cm 73kg
38. Sam Frangalas - Dandenong - 187cm 85kg
39. Billy Wilson - Dandenong - 182cm 71kg
40. Jack Callinan - Tasmania - 179cm 77kg

i am curious as to how Wil Dawson and Sam Van Rooyen go...

Davo, assuming Blues get a pick in the vicinity of 7-12 (once FA compo and academies are done) who do you think we could look at in this range?

I'm not sure what Carlton is after in this draft pool, but here's a top 40 I did recently(also Carlton usually go rogue and do their own thing, except with Walsh and Hollands), I think it's likely there's 2 bids in the top 10 for Gold Coast, but other than that you have Harley Reid one of the better utilities in recent years going at 1, pretty much a lock, then you have McKercher(Merrett like mid), Curtin(good build, interceptor, KPD), Watson(speedy and mercurial sml forw/hbf), Caddy(high flying forw, longish arms, likely 193cm kpf), Wilson(wing/forw, goal sense), Delean(star qualities forw/mid), Edwards(contested marking 207cm ruck, highish disposal game), Duursma (good goal sense, good size, beautiful movement, more of a forw, but learning mid).....

 

[Turbocat]

I'm not sure what Carlton is after in this draft pool, but here's a top 40 I did recently(also Carlton usually go rogue and do their own thing, except with Walsh and Hollands), I think it's likely there's 2 bids in the top 10 for Gold Coast, but other than that you have Harley Reid one of the better utilities in recent years going at 1, pretty much a lock, then you have McKercher(Merrett like mid), Curtin(good build, interceptor, KPD), Watson(speedy and mercurial sml forw/hbf), Caddy(high flying forw, longish arms, likely 193cm kpf), Wilson(wing/forw, goal sense), Delean(star qualities forw/mid), Edwards(contested marking 207cm ruck, highish disposal game), Duursma (good goal sense, good size, beautiful movement, more of a forw, but learning mid).....

Gee thats tough question atm ... and I would think it would depend also if WC trades the #1 pick. If so they would target the WA player one would think...if available. I feel for you guys trying to do phantoms this early. Who is taken before Carlton cause at that pick you probably stil take who you think is best. They could probably do with a small goal kicking forward and a running Merritt like mid but who knows. Id struggle to pick who Geelong would take ... and what pick they will have? Whats Duursmas running like .. we love mids with running power.. anyway good luck to you guys picking it for all the teams this year.

 

[ray8182]

I'm not sure what Carlton is after in this draft pool, but here's a top 40 I did recently(also Carlton usually go rogue and do their own thing, except with Walsh and Hollands), I think it's likely there's 2 bids in the top 10 for Gold Coast, but other than that you have Harley Reid one of the better utilities in recent years going at 1, pretty much a lock, then you have McKercher(Merrett like mid), Curtin(good build, interceptor, KPD), Watson(speedy and mercurial sml forw/hbf), Caddy(high flying forw, longish arms, likely 193cm kpf), Wilson(wing/forw, goal sense), Delean(star qualities forw/mid), Edwards(contested marking 207cm ruck, highish disposal game), Duursma (good goal sense, good size, beautiful movement, more of a forw, but learning mid).....

I think Carlton wants to continue to add run and spread to the outside of a one paced midfield. This is why hollands and binns were drafted last year.

Possibly a half forward who can also go into the middle would suit.

Out of Watson, Wilson and Duursma who has the better work rate and endurance?

Who has the better contested game for short stints in the midfield?


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[Davo-27]

I think Carlton wants to continue to add run and spread to the outside of a one paced midfield. This is why hollands and binns were drafted last year.

Possibly a half forward who can also go into the middle would suit.

Out of Watson, Wilson and Duursma who has the better work rate and endurance?

Who has the better contested game for short stints in the midfield?


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I think Watson might go earlier than 7, I have him going 5 or 6 clubs may have him higher?, Darcy Wilson and Zane Duursma would both fill that role well imo

 

[Haggas]

I just saw an article saying suns can only match two academy bids in the top 20? Who do you think they let slide ?

They can match 3 if they don’t make finals


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[Obeanie1]

As much as I hate to say it, Tholstrup is dropping fairly quickly in my estimation. Hurts to watch it unfold TBH

Didnt play last game due to a back issue.

He hasnt continued to develop much further in 2023 bar a good WAFL seniors game or two. So he could be carrying a niggle.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yea Gold Coast have a good few years coming up

2023 - Jake Rogers, Jed Walter and Ethan Read
2024 - Caleb Nancarrow and Leonardo Lombard
2025 - Zeke Uwland and Jai Murray (there's a couple others who are getting opportunity young, that I have not seen as much yet)

Their Academy is rich with draftable talent atm, take note of this talent, this year they might even have 3 first rounders, next year they have 2 more who could go top 30 and Uwland looks likely top 30 as well, not as sure on Murray yet, but he has shown a bit in a couple games, but has had some quiet games, he has some talent though, so we'll see how he develops...

Wonder what players will need to be let go to fit them in?

What others will look elsewhere for opportunity?