Draft Expert Davo-27's 2024 Draft Thread

[Davo-27]

The question is how can you manage / develop 8 kids at once, plus rookies? It's a tough ask and I'm not sure it's been done successfully at AFL level before

i know the Bulldogs havent been in the bottom 4 for awhile, but thats common practice when you are down there and has seen us(Hawthorn) rebound in 2005-2007 and recently 2021-2023, we turned over between 6-8 each year for 2-3 years approx both times, but not with the luxury of such high picks that Richmond have attained.

 

[Wild Bill]

Then the rest were all kids 18/19
Lynch , Vlastuin , Broad , Balta , Hopper , Prestia , Nankervis , Short are a level above the GWS senior guys at the time they arrived and only Davies , Scully , Ward were really still playing good level footy

But its the next tier that were missing players 3-4 years in the system that was the difference
But of course they had alot of unknown kids that some played well in their 1st years

The comment was about learn and lean on - all the kids could learn and lean on those players - even if some were at the end of their career.

They also added the Dogs captain - Ryan Griffen, Shane Mumford, Heath Shaw, Josh Hunt and Joel Patful the following year.

 

[Chris25]

The question is how can you manage / develop 8 kids at once, plus rookies? It's a tough ask and I'm not sure it's been done successfully at AFL level before

At least the Richmond development coaches will be well rested. Seems they’ve had the last few years off.

 

[THE_GUN]

At least the Richmond development coaches will be well rested. Seems they’ve had the last few years off.

Yes they were extremely busy since 2016

 

[richoatthedisco]

GWS had - Phil Davies, Dean Brogan, Tom Scully, Cal Ward, Chad Cornes, Luke Power and James McDonald. That was a solid core for the players to learn from.

Davis was 21, Scully 20 and Ward 22. Power, McDonald and Cornes were all past it. Brogan was 33 before the Giants played a game.

 

[Davo-27]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

 

[eaglevision]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

It would also confirm that Matthew Clarke was still on the Richmond payroll this trade period.

 

[Davo-27]

It would also confirm that Matthew Clarke was still on the Richmond payroll this trade period.

i think you have to make decisions that benefit each party and i think this does(ignoring supporters sometimes), NM get an extra top 10 pick and their man in Tauru and Rich lose a top 10 pick for the privilege of getting the 2 they want, but i understand a lot of people want the best trade they can get or to win trades ect.

 

[KrispyKreme]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

Nah I’d rather just not trade for pick 2 unless they send something else back with it

 

[smurfin]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

Or Richmond don't trade, get FOS at 1, Lalor/Langford/Smillie at 6 and best available at 10.
It all depends on how attractive the one specific pairing of Lalor / Fos is compared to the pairing of pick 1 & possible pick 6.

 

[eaglevision]

i think you have to make decisions that benefit each party and i think this does(ignoring supporters sometimes), NM get an extra top 10 pick and their man in Tauru and Rich lose a top 10 pick for the privilege of getting the 2 they want, but i understand a lot of people want the best trade they can get or to win trades ect.

I agree with you on this trade, although I think Richmond will ask for a F2 to come back.

It was a dig at Richmond’s our list manager doing the disastrous pick 3 trade.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

Giving up pick 10 seems a monsterous price to go from Smillie/Draper/Smith to Lalor. I just keep failing to see the win win for Richmond in taking this path.

 

[Morro]

I can’t see any point in the tigers entertaining anything unless they get massive overs in the trade. I love their draft haul - will absolutely kill it if they stay with precisely what they have.

I agree with this and equally for North also which is I why I dont see a trade happening.

 

[master bate]

I don’t agree. I think get all 8 this year. Even with all 8 picks in the top 24 at least 1 or 2 won’t make it and they might as well work that through and take picks on top in ensuing years. I’d go full GWS/GC whilst they can. At least Richmond still have a fairly solid core of older players to learn from and lean on which the new franchises never really had. I see it working as long as they don’t pull a North and select 8 straight mids.

Jasper made a good point yesterday too. Aside from the other reasons you’re stuffed when all 8 come out of contract after year 3 (a couple of them will be stuck in the 2’s and be targeted by rival clubs) and if by some miracle you get through that then you’re stuffed come free agency.

A tall at each end and one runner for each line coach would be sensible if you could engineer that.

Plus the ability to sell for record high prices. I see a good chance Richmond get West Coasts (11), Melbourne via Ess (18) and one other clubs (say Dogs for 23) first next year.

Could go 1, 6, 10, 20, 24 and back it up next year with 1, 4, 8, 12. That’s how you dominate 2 drafts without hurting development, overdrafting guys and give you a fairer chance to keep them long term.

 

[richoatthedisco]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

if Richmond trades 6 and 24 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 24.

if Richmond trades 6 and 23 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 23.

if Richmond trades 6 and 20 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 20.

if Richmond trades 6 and 18 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 18.

In all scenarios North get the guy they want and a bonus pick.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

if Richmond trades 6 and 10 to NM for pick 2, it means they get the duo they have been wanting in Lalor and FOS, NM get Tauru at 6 and best available at 10.

But is Finn better than Tauru + Reid or Langford + Armstrong? Who would you rather have?

 

[KrispyKreme]

But is Finn better than Tauru + Reid or Langford + Armstrong? Who would you rather have?

Finn is the best in the draft has been for a long time. With Armstrong I’m not totally convinced compared to the other key position forward plus he’s had the Sandringham midfield feeding him. Would be calling jonty faull number one KPF if he played for Sandringham

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Jasper made a good point yesterday too. Aside from the other reasons you’re stuffed when all 8 come out of contract after year 3 (a couple of them will be stuck in the 2’s and be targeted by rival clubs) and if by some miracle you get through that then you’re stuffed come free agency.

A tall at each end and one runner for each line coach would be sensible if you could engineer that.

Plus the ability to sell for record high prices. I see a good chance Richmond get West Coasts (11), Melbourne via Ess (18) and one other clubs (say Dogs for 23) first next year.

Could go 1, 6, 10, 20, 24 and back it up next year with 1, 4, 8, 12. That’s how you dominate 2 drafts without hurting development, overdrafting guys and give you a fairer chance to keep them long term.

If you take, as this draft at those spots would easily provide:

A tall back
A small running back
Two elite mids
One winger
A tall forward
A small forward
And a best available

All of those players have the option to not be stuck in the 2nds if they have the talent to play AFL.

Plus law of averages says (sadly) of the 8, 2 won’t look like making it anyway so can be cut or traded at the end of their first contract.

The only real issue is the pressure on the development teams. That’s a real issue but one I would embrace if I was RFC to take full advantage of the draft depth compared to next year. Anyway I try to cut this up, I’d use all 8 picks in the hot seat if it was my call.

Richmond won’t (almost certainly) but I still expect them to use 6 if not 7.

 

[THE_GUN]

But is Finn better than Tauru + Reid or Langford + Armstrong? Who would you rather have?

This is exactly what Richmond supporters would be thinking and if Finn is that good then take him at pick #1
#6 + #18 work for both clubs imo forgetting the number of the pick and looking at the players

Richmond get 2 of Jagga , FOS , Law-La
North get 2 of Tauru , J.Whitlock , Trainor , Shannahan

 

[Davo-27]

100 Draftees who have a good chance of being drafted, I hope I didn't miss anyone, I will do 3 posts covering the 3 areas of the ground, the first will cover the largest group in the midfield and they will not be ranked, instead placed in tiers I believe they belong

-----------------------1st Tier of Midfielders
F.O'Sullivan
L.Ashcroft
L.Lombard
S.Draper
J.Smith
T.Hotton
S.Lalor
H.Langford
-------------------------2nd Tier
J.Smillie
M.Reid
C.Moraes
C.Hynes
J.Ough
S.Marshall
B.Allan
T.Gross
H.Boxshall
----‐--------------------3rd tier
B.Camporeale
L.Urquhart
X.Ivisic
O.Warburton
O.Depaoli-Kubank
Z.Cochrane
C.Anderson
P.Hargrave
L.McInerney
D.Kerr
Z.Johnson
J.Dolan
H.Charleson
------------------------4th tier
C.Paul
K.Matofai-Forbes
O.Harvey
J.Nguyen
F.McFadyen
R.Stevens
L.Grego
N.Sulzberger
D.Hollow
N.King
J.Harrison


------------------------Rucks 1st Tier
K.Gerreyn
A.Dodson
------------------------2nd Tier
L.Smith
J.Doherty
J.Pike
F.Penry

 

[Davo-27]

This post is for the Defenders

--------------------1st Tier of sml/med Defenders
A.Tauru
T.Travaglia
X.Lindsay
-------------------2nd Tier
H.Oliver
L.Camporeale
L.Jaques
L.Hofmann
--------------------3rd tier
P.Retschko
A.Clarke
C.Burke
J.Artemis
W.Hayes
------------------4th tier
L.Quaynor
K.Herbert
T.Wenzel



------------------1st Tier of KPD
L.Trainor
H.O'Farrell
------------------2nd Tier
M.Whitlock
A.Cole
N.Mraz
Z.Lockwood
J.Barrat
--------------------3rd tier
J.Cohcran
C.Dennis

 

[Davo-27]

This post is for the Forwards


------‐----------1st Tier of sml/med forwards
J.Berry
I.Kako
----------------2nd Tier
M.Champion
J.Murphy
J.Alger
E.Bradley
H.Davis
J.Dattoli(mid)
O.Hannaford
R.Unwin(mid)
------------------3rd tier
B.Barrett
A.Day-Wicks
J.Delana
C.Angove
J.Newton
J.Ryan
B.McKenzie
L.Douglas


--------------------1st Tier of KPF
H.Armstrong
J.Shanahan
J.Faull
---------------------2nd Tier
T.Sims
G.Stumpf
T.Welsh
J.Whitlock
F.Burmeister
---------------------3rd tier
C.Nicholls
C.West
M.Rohr

 

[Mofra]

Luke Kennedy?

 

[The Talent Scout]

I agree with you on this trade, although I think Richmond will ask for a F2 to come back.

It was a dig at Richmond’s our list manager doing the disastrous pick 3 trade.

Man "O" man, I've seen some crazy trades over the years and I know they are trying to get experience into their team, like us, but pick 3 {Sid Draper, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford or Josh Smillie} is, you know I don't think there are any words to describe that deal!

 

[eaglevision]

Man "O" man, I've seen some crazy trades over the years and I know they are trying to get experience into their team, like us, but pick 3 {Sid Draper, Jagga Smith, Harvey Langford or Josh Smillie} is, you know I don't think there are any words to describe that deal!

Difference being your club recognised what a role player of FA age is worth plus they were contracted. Brady must be pumped he’s no longer the worst list manager in the competition. Oh there is a word:

f****d.

Anyway back to the draft. You guys splitting 2 and F2 for 6 and 10 like a normal club and taking Tauru and Armstrong/Shanahan? Darling will be a lot better acquisition than many are giving him credit for but you need another high quality developing KPF ready to play regular senior footy in 3-4 years.