Dawes

[CowboyFromHell]

Exactly. They've been carrying him the last two years. The guy is slow, terrible mark with turning circle of the Titanic. I honestly can't believe he's an AFL player, let alone a premiership player.

I know were 'trying' to improve. But its a bit deflating knowing all we can get is other clubs rejects. Thank God Mitch Clark fell in our lap, it certainly wasnt his first choice to come to us.

Reckon you're a touch harsh there mate. Granted he has had some terrific ball coming in to him over the last few years and certainly this year he was not flash but I think we are quick to forget just how damaging the guy was back in 2011 and even 2010. If this trade had of been pulled off last year there would be far more of us getting excited about it. Amazing what one season can do.

He will improve and be a very handy player for us, of that I have no doubt.

 

[TheBoss]

My main concern with Dawes is that he cracked the sads and requested a trade after Collingwood signed Q.Lynch.

Is he going to do the same thing when Jesse Hogan can get on the park in 2014? He is a pea-heart! A true competitor would not have a tantrum and request a trade if they thought their spot in the team was under threat. He obviously did not back himself to out perform Lynch.

 

[CM Sean]

He wants to play every week. He was not guaranteed that at Collingwood. And he didn't like it.

 

[HFF]

My main concern with Dawes is that he cracked the sads and requested a trade after Collingwood signed Q.Lynch.

Is he going to do the same thing when Jesse Hogan can get on the park in 2014? He is a pea-heart! A true competitor would not have a tantrum and request a trade if they thought their spot in the team was under threat. He obviously did not back himself to out perform Lynch.

I've said in other threads too but I don't think Lynch is Dawes' main concern.

Lynch was bought into be our Leroy Brown option.

Dawes' major concern would have been Jackson Paine IMO. Sounds strange but he would have replaced Dawes earlier last season if we had a genuine back up ruck option- which we didn't.

The club rates him very highly and must believe- with the game time and minutes, he will be a better option for us than Dawes currently is.

Otherwise, we wouldn't entertain a trade for him.

There's no doubt Dawes is a good player. He was just asked to perform a role that he wasn't suited for i.e. ruck duties.

He is a key forward only and his confidence was the main thing that took a tumble and a few niggling injuries like a broken knuckle/hand hindering him.

 

[Ando727]

Now, tell me honestly, was this your assessment when he was playing at the Pies? Take the blinkers off, all of a sudden there's a chance of him coming here and he's potentially a star. His goals for 2012 - something like 15 in 22 games is very poor, especially considering he was playing for a top 4 side.

I'm know I'm coming down hard on the guy, I reckon he tries hard...but since when did that ever cut it at AFL level??? Except at Melbourne FC of course

I remember having a conversation with a mate about Dawes when he was at his peak and I distinctly remember saying, "we need a guy like this". My mate said, "Collingwood never let go of their good players".

Well, now that Collingwood think he's not a good player, they are happy to let him go. But if he got back to his earlier form, we are going to have one of the better forward lines in the league. Yes, he had a shocker this year, but a change of scenery might also change his fortunes. Talent shouldn't just evaporate. Much happier with Dawes than Gumbleton because nobody can ever count of Gumby's body holding up - talented as he is.

 

[Ando727]

My main concern with Dawes is that he cracked the sads and requested a trade after Collingwood signed Q.Lynch.

Is he going to do the same thing when Jesse Hogan can get on the park in 2014? He is a pea-heart! A true competitor would not have a tantrum and request a trade if they thought their spot in the team was under threat. He obviously did not back himself to out perform Lynch.

Well, he had good reason to leave. Collingwood drafted Lynch to do his job! Who wouldn't want out of that situation? He'd be playing as a depth player in the VFL.

 

[demon21]

My main concern with Dawes is that he cracked the sads and requested a trade after Collingwood signed Q.Lynch.

Is he going to do the same thing when Jesse Hogan can get on the park in 2014? He is a pea-heart! A true competitor would not have a tantrum and request a trade if they thought their spot in the team was under threat. He obviously did not back himself to out perform Lynch.

I thought Buckley also told him that it would be a good idea for him to look for another team.

Dawes could stay in the goal square and not move for the whole year and i would much prefer to see that, Cause i never want to see Garland at FF and Rivers at CHF as our 2 main targets ever again.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Dawes had an offer from Carlton - are you suggesting he wouldn't be best 22 there?

What with all their key forward options...

He'd queue up behind Waite, Casboult (who can ruck well too), Henderson and/or Hampson, who would be the 3rd tall/ruck if he was in the side. No way I'd play him ahead of those players unless they all got injured again. Of course we had a young, developing KP forward in Luke Mitchell doing excellent things in the VFL too.You'll find we are alot better off there than people think. Looked bad and gave a differenr perception when every one were injured at one stage watching in the stands.

The "offer" from Carlton was "how you going", a "feeler" without alot of real interest. Media beat that one up. He'll get a game at Melbourne but would struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

 

[dee64]

He'd queue up behind Waite, Casboult (who can ruck well too), Henderson and/or Hampson, who would be the 3rd tall/ruck if he was in the side. No way I'd play him ahead of those players unless they all got injured again. Of course we had a young, developing KP forward in Luke Mitchell doing excellent things in the VFL too.You'll find we are alot better off there than people think. Looked bad and gave a differenr perception when every one were injured at one stage watching in the stands.

The "offer" from Carlton was "how you going", a "feeler" without alot of real interest. Media beat that one up. He'll get a game at Melbourne but would struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

My understanding is that Malthouse was really keen on Dawes but Barry Prendergast was adament that Lucas Cook would be a better proposition.

 

[Andy_Mac]

He'd queue up behind Waite, Casboult (who can ruck well too), Henderson and/or Hampson, who would be the 3rd tall/ruck if he was in the side. No way I'd play him ahead of those players unless they all got injured again. Of course we had a young, developing KP forward in Luke Mitchell doing excellent things in the VFL too.You'll find we are alot better off there than people think. Looked bad and gave a differenr perception when every one were injured at one stage watching in the stands.

The "offer" from Carlton was "how you going", a "feeler" without alot of real interest. Media beat that one up. He'll get a game at Melbourne but would struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

Are you serious?

Dawes would be your best forward. Period.

Waite is Undersized, Henerson is a defender (terrible forward) and Casbolt whilst showed a bit is a long way of a player like Dawes.

 

[Tulip]

Casboult is their equivalent of Fitz. No way would he play in front of Dawes. This is why Carlton finished in the bottom 10, and will do so again under Mick, you've got to admit your weaknesses and cop your losses.

 

[Tulip]

struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

That's genuinely hilarious. Outside of Waite, who have you got that has done anything on the football field from KF? Nobody since the Fev.

 

[SPC 98]

He'd queue up behind Waite, Casboult (who can ruck well too), Henderson and/or Hampson, who would be the 3rd tall/ruck if he was in the side. No way I'd play him ahead of those players unless they all got injured again. Of course we had a young, developing KP forward in Luke Mitchell doing excellent things in the VFL too.You'll find we are alot better off there than people think. Looked bad and gave a differenr perception when every one were injured at one stage watching in the stands.

The "offer" from Carlton was "how you going", a "feeler" without alot of real interest. Media beat that one up. He'll get a game at Melbourne but would struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

Good luck for the next season without a forward...

Henderson.... haha...

 

[CowboyFromHell]

He'd queue up behind Waite, Casboult (who can ruck well too), Henderson and/or Hampson, who would be the 3rd tall/ruck if he was in the side. No way I'd play him ahead of those players unless they all got injured again. Of course we had a young, developing KP forward in Luke Mitchell doing excellent things in the VFL too.You'll find we are alot better off there than people think. Looked bad and gave a differenr perception when every one were injured at one stage watching in the stands.

The "offer" from Carlton was "how you going", a "feeler" without alot of real interest. Media beat that one up. He'll get a game at Melbourne but would struggle more getting a game at Carlton than he would at Collingwood barring injury.

I think enough people have taken apart the laughability of this post. Waite can't get on the park due to being either injured or getting suspended, Henderson doesn't play forward and... Casboult? Yeah, there is a reason why you rely on Betts and Garlett to kick your goals. You haven't got any tall blokes to do it for you.

 

[Major Colvin]

I remember having a conversation with a mate about Dawes when he was at his peak and I distinctly remember saying, "we need a guy like this". My mate said, "Collingwood never let go of their good players".

Well, now that Collingwood think he's not a good player, they are happy to let him go. But if he got back to his earlier form, we are going to have one of the better forward lines in the league. Yes, he had a shocker this year, but a change of scenery might also change his fortunes. Talent shouldn't just evaporate. Much happier with Dawes than Gumbleton because nobody can ever count of Gumby's body holding up - talented as he is.

I'm from the other school of thought. With Dawes we are taken on a proven limited footballer. Gumbleton has never had the opportunity to play well due to injury, but there's a possibility he could be great. Honestly, we're so far behind the 8-ball we can afford to take risks of players who've been devalued due to injury susceptibility. Take risks and get out the cheque book.

Bringing in players like Dawes and Byrnes is essentially consolidating mediocrity. Is what Richmond have done many times and what Carlton did under Pagan.

 

[SPC 98]

I'm from the other school of thought. With Dawes we are taken on a proven limited footballer. Gumbleton has never had the opportunity to play well due to injury, but there's a possibility he could be great. Honestly, we're so far behind the 8-ball we can afford to take risks of players who've been devalued due to injury susceptibility. Take risks and get out the cheque book.

Bringing in players like Dawes and Byrnes is essentially consolidating mediocrity. Is what Richmond have done many times and what Carlton did under Pagan.

Stupid post... Dawes and Byrnes are no mugs!! Byrnes will play 2 years and set the tone for guys like Blease and Barry. We need a better mix of experience, class, success and youth.. Otherwise we are like a dog chasing its tail.

We get it mate, you hate the idea of Dawes, cause he had one bad year... may as well delist 35 or so from our list if that is the case!!!!

 

[Big_Ed]

Bringing in players like Dawes and Byrnes is essentially consolidating mediocrity. Is what Richmond have done many times and what Carlton did under Pagan.

Three Premierships between them.

 

[Major Colvin]

Stupid post... Dawes and Byrnes are no mugs!! Byrnes will play 2 years and set the tone for guys like Blease and Barry. We need a better mix of experience, class, success and youth.. Otherwise we are like a dog chasing its tail.

We get it mate, you hate the idea of Dawes, cause he had one bad year... may as well delist 35 or so from our list if that is the case!!!!

On Byrnes - I've always liked him - gets the best out of himself. This pick up I'm ambivalent about really I hope he does well even though he's nearing the end of his career.

On Dawes - not one bad year, one good year (supposedly 2010) - and yes I would cut more of them (a la Homer Simpson) if we could. Our list is in bad, bad shape which is the reason we'll take anybody.

Three Premierships between them.

I'm aware. That's in the past and counts for very little now. All that matters is if they can play well in 2013 onwards. In 2012, Byrnes couldnt get a game and Dawes was dropped late in the season. Now they have another forward option and hes out the door

 

[SPC 98]

On Byrnes - I've always liked him - gets the best out of himself. This pick up I'm ambivalent about really I hope he does well even though he's nearing the end of his career.

On Dawes - not one bad year, one good year (supposedly 2010) - and yes I would cut more of them (a la Homer Simpson) if we could. Our list is in bad, bad shape which is the reason we'll take anybody.



I'm aware. That's in the past and counts for very little now. All that matters is if they can play well in 2013 onwards. In 2012, Byrnes couldnt get a game and Dawes was dropped late in the season. Now they have another forward option and hes out the door

On Byrnes, some clubs have a surplus of certain types of players. Geelong have too many small forwards and they are looking longer term (youth). I am sure they still rate him as a backup, but he wants game time.. This doesn't mean he is not still AFL standard.

 

[Bluelegs]

On Byrnes - I've always liked him - gets the best out of himself. This pick up I'm ambivalent about really I hope he does well even though he's nearing the end of his career.

On Dawes - not one bad year, one good year (supposedly 2010) - and yes I would cut more of them (a la Homer Simpson) if we could. Our list is in bad, bad shape which is the reason we'll take anybody.



I'm aware. That's in the past and counts for very little now. All that matters is if they can play well in 2013 onwards. In 2012, Byrnes couldnt get a game and Dawes was dropped late in the season. Now they have another forward option and hes out the door

Byrnes couldn't get a game because he was in a team in which his role was filled by three younger promising talents who Geelong needed to develop. Dawes had two good seasons and has dropped off, yes, but he's still very young for a power forward and has his whole career ahead of him. He's not being shown the door as he has two years on his contract, of course Collingwood don't really care too much if he goes but that could be due to anything, maybe he didn't get on with Buckley, maybe his position was under threat by a younger player, who knows. But I would trust Leigh Brown and Mark Neeld on their opinions of him as they've worked with him and know how he plays and trains. I would take a solid option in Dawes over the high risk high reward option in Gumbleton. You say we don't lose out from taking risks. I disagree, we take risks and they fail and it will hurt the club, we can't linger in the bottom four any longer, it would ruin the players, the supporters and put pressure on staff all around the club.

 

[Demon 16]

Barrett only said that because Wellingham and Caddy weren't keen on coming here, so he just assumed that it meant no-one in the league wanted to come to the club. Was always a silly statement, and we've proved that.

Caddy obviously wasnt keen on us for some reason - but I Wellingham just wanted to get back to Perth.

 

[markm106]

Pick 20 and no more. Now way we would throw Martin in. Even if we get pick 39 back. We lose out there. But of we are going for Pederson we may trade Martin. Possibly to saints though in a deal for Ray.

 

[dee64]

Bringing in players like Dawes and Byrnes is essentially consolidating mediocrity. Is what Richmond have done many times and what Carlton did under Pagan.

I think you're underselling the intangibles that Byrnes and Dawes bring to the club. We are seriously lacking in leadership, on and off the field. It's just as important for the players to drive our improvement, as the coach, and I see Byrnes and Dawes being able to play a role as they come from recent premiership teams.

In a few years, I wouldn't be surprised if Viney and Hogan are leading the way because they both appear to have a hunger for success.

 

[DeesFan]

My HR manager who (as per previous post saying he was a lock to us) said he has been offered a 4 year deal to be with us and a extra $100K per year on his current contract.

I think you can take this as pretty close to the mark.

 

[00Stinger]

The fact is Dawes would get a game at every team except Hawthorn, West Coast & Collingwood.m

Yet people on here don't want him in a side who could only beat 1 team that wasn't an expansion club?