Dawes

[Tradepower]

Anyone else chasing Dawes.. He is only worth what the competition dictate, and we know that Collingwood want to move him on.

Dawes good be a great pickup with our mid 50 pick!

He'd be a sensational pick up in the mid 50's but seeing as he is a premiership power forward that we already paid pick 28 for and have him contracted for the next 2 years I can't see that happening

This would be a win win

Melbourne gain: Dawes and pick 39

Collingwood gain: Martin and pick 20

 

[Bluelegs]

I wouldn't give up Martin for that.

 

[SuburbanMe]

He'd be a sensational pick up in the mid 50's but seeing as he is a premiership power forward that we already paid pick 28 for and have him contracted for the next 2 years I can't see that happening

This would be a win win

Melbourne gain: Dawes and pick 39

Collingwood gain: Martin and pick 20

I'm not sure why people keep putting martin up in a trade with Dawes. Martin is Better than Dawes - why would we give you guys Martin and pick 20 for Dawes and pick 39 - we're losing out on both accounts.

Sorry Tradepower - but be realistic man, we're trying to better our team, Why would we trade a Martin for a worse player? Why would we trade a better pick for a worse one?

 

[Tradepower]

I'm not sure why people keep putting martin up in a trade with Dawes. Martin is Better than Dawes - why would we give you guys Martin and pick 20 for Dawes and pick 39 - we're losing out on both accounts.

Sorry Tradepower - but be realistic man.

You can't compare the two, one is a pure power forward (we know that about Dawes because we almost destroyed him forcing him to play the Leigh Brown role)

You already have a vastly superior Leigh Brown in Clark, Martin is superfulous to your needs, you need a power forward

That's why it's a win win, both clubs give up something they don't really need and gain a crucial part of the puzzle

 

[SuburbanMe]

You can't compare the two, one is a pure power forward (we know that about Dawes because we almost destroyed him forcing him to play the Leigh Brown role)

You already have a vastly superior Leigh Brown in Clark, Martin is superfulous to your needs, you need a power forward

That's why it's a win win, both clubs give up something they don't really need and gain a crucial part of the puzzle

Martin is a utility - forward, back and a mighty fine ruckman. Dawes is one dimensional - granted he cops alot of flack but stef is severely under-rated. not an even trade at all in my eyes.

 

[Tradepower]

Martin is a utility - forward, back and a mighty fine ruckman. Dawes is one dimensional - granted he cops alot of flack but stef is severely under-rated. not an even trade at all in my eyes.

Granted Martin does all three but he excels in none, definition of a utility I guess, if they did excel at one they would be left there.. where as Dawes was the best big man on the ground in the 2010 Grand Final replay and that's what you are buying, a power forward that can take a grand final by the throat.. and when you compare their stats in Dawes worst year they are much of a muchness anyway

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=1746&tid2=12&pid2=2718&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[Syrus]

He'd be a sensational pick up in the mid 50's but seeing as he is a premiership power forward that we already paid pick 28 for and have him contracted for the next 2 years I can't see that happening

This would be a win win

Melbourne gain: Dawes and pick 39

Collingwood gain: Martin and pick 20

Why do Collingwood fans always mention that he is a premiership player for like it hold some kind of collateral. Nathan Ablett, Scott Lucas, Glenn Manton, Aaron Keating and Nick Maxwell all have premiership medallions and they were/are shit.

The fact is you have replaced him in the side with a 30yo because he "was a better option than what you had", yet you still want us to pay overs for a guy because he was a pick 28 and a premiership player. How about we just swap you Cale Morton who went at pick 4 and our pick 20, for Dawes and your pick 17. Seems just as logical and fair.

 

[Syrus]

Granted Martin does all three but he excels in none, definition of a utility I guess, if they did excel at one they would be left there.. where as Dawes was the best big man on the ground in the 2010 Grand Final replay and that's what you are buying, a power forward that can take a grand final by the throat.. and when you compare their stats in Dawes worst year they are much of a muchness anyway

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=1746&tid2=12&pid2=2718&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Lol. Nice arguement. Martin played 7 games and still averages better than Dawes in nearly everything.*


*apart from clangers.

 

[Surkin]

Why do Collingwood fans always mention that he is a premiership player for like it hold some kind of collateral. Nathan Ablett, Scott Lucas, Glenn Manton, Aaron Keating and Nick Maxwell all have premiership medallions and they were/are shit.

Scott Lucas was definitely not shit.

 

[demon_dynasty13]

We better not give up pick 20, I will hit the roof. 3rd rounder is fine, and hopefully a 4th rounder on Ray.


I still hold hope we will offload Cale Morton for a pick in the 20's.

 

[Viney]

Why do Collingwood fans always mention that he is a premiership player for like it hold some kind of collateral. Nathan Ablett, Scott Lucas, Glenn Manton, Aaron Keating and Nick Maxwell all have premiership medallions and they were/are shit.

The fact is you have replaced him in the side with a 30yo because he "was a better option than what you had", yet you still want us to pay overs for a guy because he was a pick 28 and a premiership player. How about we just swap you Cale Morton who went at pick 4 and our pick 20, for Dawes and your pick 17. Seems just as logical and fair.

Scott Lucas was a pretty handy player

 

[deeman87]

Scott Lucas was a pretty handy player

Ya dunno how a 270 game 470 goal player gets called shit.

 

[Tradepower]

Why do Collingwood fans always mention that he is a premiership player for like it hold some kind of collateral. Nathan Ablett, Scott Lucas, Glenn Manton, Aaron Keating and Nick Maxwell all have premiership medallions and they were/are shit.

The fact is you have replaced him in the side with a 30yo because he "was a better option than what you had", yet you still want us to pay overs for a guy because he was a pick 28 and a premiership player. How about we just swap you Cale Morton who went at pick 4 and our pick 20, for Dawes and your pick 17. Seems just as logical and fair.

Actually we replaced his position, Lynch is a better Leigh Brown than Dawes

Dawes position doesn't exist anymore because Bucks won't go with the 3 tall forwardline that won us a flag

And we mention he is a premiership player because Malthouse was always drumming that into us, that they have to be able to play on the big stage, especially key forwards, and with Dawes you get that assurance

Oh and Maxwell was All Australian in our premiership year, just sayin

 

[Viney]

We better not give up pick 20, I will hit the roof. 3rd rounder is fine, and hopefully a 4th rounder on Ray.


I still hold hope we will offload Cale Morton for a pick in the 20's.

Funny that you don't want to spend a pick in the 20's on Dawes, who has had good seasons, yet expect a pick in the 20's for Morton

Baffling

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Martin is a utility - forward, back and a mighty fine ruckman. Dawes is one dimensional - granted he cops alot of flack but stef is severely under-rated. not an even trade at all in my eyes.

Thats it though, Martin is a crap defender and average forward imo. Rucks well though. I think Dawes will be there to stay predominantly forward, thats why he holds the value to us that martin does not.

pick 20 is overs though. maybe martin and a 3rd rounder or compo pick not 20 and martin god

 

[Andy_Mac]

Stef Martin has demonstarted he has the capacity to be one of the best ruckman in the game. Yes it was in 2011 and only when Jamar was out of the side, but he has the tools and flexibility to play anywhere. And in a time when there is talk of a 2 sub system he is as valuable as rocking horse shit.

The only thing Dawes is better at is as stay at home FF, but even then it is only marginal. So to trade Martin it would need to be for a first round pick upgrade or Dawes plus your second rounder. If you want a staright player swap take Cale Morton, all the potential in the world.

 

[CTHORANGE]

Actually we replaced his position, Lynch is a better Leigh Brown than Dawes

Dawes position doesn't exist anymore because Bucks won't go with the 3 tall forwardline that won us a flag

And we mention he is a premiership player because Malthouse was always drumming that into us, that they have to be able to play on the big stage, especially key forwards, and with Dawes you get that assurance

Oh and Maxwell was All Australian in our premiership year, just sayin

Yes I agree that you have replaced Dawes with Lynch, so Im guessing bucks told Dawes he is no longer a guaranteed walk up for the first 22, then he cracked it and wants to look at other offers. Do you reckon the pies would consider a swap for say a petterd and 3rd round pick perhaps?

 

[Syrus]

Ya dunno how a 270 game 470 goal player gets called shit.

You mean to tell me that he played that many games and didnt kick or handball on his opposite side of the body?

Actually we replaced his position, Lynch is a better Leigh Brown than Dawes

Dawes position doesn't exist anymore because Bucks won't go with the 3 tall forwardline that won us a flag

And we mention he is a premiership player because Malthouse was always drumming that into us, that they have to be able to play on the big stage, especially key forwards, and with Dawes you get that assurance

Oh and Maxwell was All Australian in our premiership year, just sayin

I was just quoting exactly what Hine said in his interview, that Lynch "was a better option than what you had" in Dawes.

AA has no creditabilty. Maxwells selection was as big a farce as players like Jacobs, Maric, Pavlich and Mitchell all being left out of the AA squad this year for players like Natanui and Franklin, who were selected on rep alone.

 

[lose]

Stef Martin has demonstarted he has the capacity to be one of the best ruckman in the game. Yes it was in 2011 and only when Jamar was out of the side, but he has the tools and flexibility to play anywhere. And in a time when there is talk of a 2 sub system he is as valuable as rocking horse shit.

The only thing Dawes is better at is as stay at home FF, but even then it is only marginal. So to trade Martin it would need to be for a first round pick upgrade or Dawes plus your second rounder. If you want a staright player swap take Cale Morton, all the potential in the world.

You can't be serious that you think Dawes is only marginally better up forward than Martin? Stef honestly has know idea how to play forward, if he did we wouldn't be chasing Dawes.. Dawes had a terrible year this year but his 2 before that we're very good, hense Neeld and Brown will know how to get the best out of him..

Stefs brain fades really shit me and I clearly don't rate him anywhere near as much as most of you.. more than happy to try a straight swap..

Plus I think mayb Neeld now views Sellar in front of Stef, as he can actually play better as a back and a forward and although his ruck work is not as good, I think the other 2 areas are more important when your the second ruck

 

[brock sylvia]

Are you guys seriously taking the piss on here? Some absolutely ridiculous posts:

• Scott Lucas was a gun for a large amount of his career, how anyone could even contemplate calling him shit is an absolute joke.

• Stefan Martin is ridiculously over-rated on here. I am not saying he is hopeless but Dawes is a much much better footballer and I dont care if you have studied both their stats and find them to be of a similar nature. Martin can play multiple positions but he has never really done anything amazing except for a pretty good patch mid-year in 2011, so I fail to see how that gives him "the capacity to be one of the best ruckman in the game".

 

[lose]

Are you guys seriously taking the piss on here? Some absolutely ridiculous posts:

• Scott Lucas was a gun for a large amount of his career, how anyone could even contemplate calling him shit is an absolute joke.

• Stefan Martin is ridiculously over-rated on here. I am not saying he is hopeless but Dawes is a much much better footballer and I dont care if you have studied both their stats and find them to be of a similar nature. Martin can play multiple positions but he has never really done anything amazing except for a pretty good patch mid-year in 2011, so I fail to see how that gives him "the capacity to be one of the best ruckman in the game".

Thank god someone is making some sense

 

[00Stinger]

Why do Collingwood fans always mention that he is a premiership player for like it hold some kind of collateral. Nathan Ablett, Scott Lucas, Glenn Manton, Aaron Keating and Nick Maxwell all have premiership medallions and they were/are shit.

Scott Lucas was a gun and as much as it pains me to say it Maxwell wasn't that shit.

FFS next time use examples like Steven Armstrong, Aaron Shattock & Roger James

 

[Eth]

You can't be serious that you think Dawes is only marginally better up forward than Martin? Stef honestly has know idea how to play forward, if he did we wouldn't be chasing Dawes.. Dawes had a terrible year this year but his 2 before that we're very good, hense Neeld and Brown will know how to get the best out of him..

Stefs brain fades really shit me and I clearly don't rate him anywhere near as much as most of you.. more than happy to try a straight swap..

Plus I think mayb Neeld now views Sellar in front of Stef, as he can actually play better as a back and a forward and although his ruck work is not as good, I think the other 2 areas are more important when your the second ruck

57 goals across two years is very good? Mathew Stokes (57), Angus Monfries (55), Aaron Edwards (61), Hayden Ballantyne (56) and Todd Banfield (51) must be very good forwards too. Especially given worse delivery, both quantity and quality wise, bar Stokes.

Martin is a better footballer than Dawes. With or without the brain fades that have been noted - which, FWIW, I think aren't as bad as are being made out to be, and being someone who was a basketball player up until when we drafted him, slowly being eradicated.

 

[Captain Jack]

OK children, everyone take a chill pill. Both Martin and Dawes are being over-rated here. Tradepower, fair to say I think the trade you proposed was a tad ridiculous. But it was only a proposal, and its silly season... Shit happens. No big deal.

MELBOURNE POSTERS, yes it was a silly proposal, but there is no need to lose your marbles and be automatically aggressive because a poster from another board has wandered over for some INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION. Yes, we run a tight ship here in terms of what outsiders can offer, but that doesn't entitle you to ridicule and slander a bloke who comes for a look with the best intentions.

So please take it easy and try to see the proposed deal from the other side of the fence.

On Dawes: he's a full forward. That's what we would get him for. He struggled this year because 1) the team wasn't playing as well as previously. 2) delivery was average at best. 3) he often had to play second ruck, not in the slightest his position. 4) Nathan 'Stubborn Fool' Buckley persisted with him in the seniors for about 8 weeks too long, when he should have been sent to the ressies to find some form. 5) Cloke was woefully out of form also, meaning defenders didn't have to spend as much time worrying about him.
Before this year he's shown plenty as a big, tall marking target. Would be a good get for us IMO.

On Martin: once again we see Dees fans being beholden to Captain Potential. Stef is a jack of all trades, master of none. 1) he lacks the nous to play as a forward but can get by to an extent on athleticism and height. 2) has shown great potential as first ruck - for half a season. That purple patch does not put him ahead of Dawes by any stretch. 3) we're ok for tall backs so he's not really needed there. 4) he is very injury prone - one full season out of 5 maybe?

Not saying I want to trade Martin, as I reckon he could be a great player for us, but those are the facts as I see them. He may have more upside than Dawes, but the consistency is yet to be displayed at AFL level. I'll back Neeld and co. to make a judgement on what we need in terms of off-field qualities and on-field structure.

/rant.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

With all due respect CJ, having read the last 2 pages - who lost their marbles? Tradepower put forward his thoughts in a good manner and Melbourne posters then discussed why they felt the trade was no reasonable and why (and it wasn't reasonable, but that's beside the point). There was no personal attacks and no put downs, unless you have deleted these posts and I have missed them. If so then I apologise. The only thing I can see anyone getting upset about is mentioning Scotty Lucas as an ordinary player which, we all know, is ridiculous in the extreme. There is no need to come bouncing in here and telling us off for having some discussion that someone else brought up.

And I don't think we need to be referred to as children but please yourself.