Dawn Service

[Rob R]

Because religion was far more dominant in society than it is now. If one's being consistent you either have both or have neither.

I was just pointing out that there is a long term reason why the lords prayer is said at those services (Shouldn't be at parliament as we are a secular nation of course)- other religions are the same.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

As for BRS, "the circus" and his 20 medals. Despite what he has alleged to have done, he went to ANZAC day because he is a veteran first and foremost. He doesn't wear those decorations because he got them in a bargain bin at Vinnys and he's there for a publicity stunt.

He didn't just "go" to Anzac Day, he recorded a message to the Australian people set up by the TV network owned by the billionaire backing him for reasons unknown.

Regardless of the incontestibility of the content of his actual words, that's hardly just "going" to Anzac Day.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Im calling out your assertions directly.

Not mine.

You're using exaggeration.

To try to make the point - that others are exaggerating. LOL.

Because you are positioning yourself as being more knowledgeable on the topic, without having established that fact.

Jesus Christ can you not see yourself here?

Read history a bit more widely. Bye.

 

[Sphynx]

He didn't just "go" to Anzac Day, he recorded a message to the Australian people set up by the TV network owned by the billionaire backing him for reasons unknown.

Regardless of the incontestibility of the content of his actual words, that's hardly just "going" to Anzac Day.

Australias most decorated soldier makes a statement on TV regarding the meaning of the day with no other political undertones and it’s for “reasons unknown”?

I’m sure you have proof he’s never made an interview or any other statements on previous days to show his opinion on the spirit of the day to be highly unusual?

Further, please send me the link of Stokes backing BRS defence? As far as I’m aware, hes applied for public funding of his defense.

I was told the AFP has spent $200m on the BRS case and counting. We haven’t hit the courts yet. That was 20% of their annual operating budget 12 months ago. Seems like an entirely appropriate use of public funds on 1 case.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Australias most decorated soldier makes a statement on TV regarding the meaning of the day with no other political undertones and it’s for “reasons unknown”?

I’m sure you have proof he’s never made an interview or any other statements on previous days to show his opinion on the spirit of the day to be highly unusual?

Further, please send me the link of Stokes backing BRS defence? As far as I’m aware, hes applied for public funding of his defense.

I was told the AFP has spent $200m on the BRS case and counting. We haven’t hit the courts yet. That was 20% of their annual operating budget 12 months ago. Seems like an entirely appropriate use of public funds on 1 case.

No, for years Stokes has - for reasons unknown - continuously backed someone now found to have committed war crimes. Have you been living in a cave?

 

[Skeptikal]

Read social media and see how many don’t want it.

YOUR preferred social media platforms? Sure bro.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I was told the AFP has spent $200m on the BRS case and counting. We haven’t hit the courts yet. That was 20% of their annual operating budget 12 months ago. Seems like an entirely appropriate use of public funds on 1 case.

Then maybe you'd better stop getting your facts from Pauline Hanson, because it was she that was bandying that figure about, and continued to do so even after having it pointed out to her that the $200 million represented the entire spend on prosecuting war criminals.

LOL and you deign to correct others. Jog on.

 

[Drought Break]

YOUR preferred social media platforms? Sure bro.

there's plenty out there all feeding social media. You just rely on BF for your source of truth Bro?

 

[Sphynx]

No, Stokes for years has continuously backed someone now found to have committed war crimes, for reasons unknown. Have you been living in a cave?

No I haven’t.

You’d also be aware he ceased his financial backing and BRS is broke and applying for public defence.

You also need to be more considered with your wording.

He hasn’t been “found” of anything yet. He’s alleged to have committed these crimes. The only determination at the moment is a calculated opinion in civil court on the balance of probability.

Fortunately in this country we require a much higher burden of truth before we are able to declare someone as a murderer and a war criminal.

 

[Skeptikal]

there's plenty out there all feeding social media.

Of course there are. The algorithms of your search history ensuring you get exactly what confirms your prejudices.

You just rely on BF for your source of truth Bro?

Of course not. Thankfully it's the only online place where you and I will ever meet. And where I have the chance to lecture you on history, civility, respect and perspective.

 

[Drought Break]

Then maybe you'd better stop getting your facts from Pauline Hanson, because it was she that was bandying that figure about, and continued to do so even after having it pointed out to her that the $200 million represented the entire spend on prosecuting war criminals.

LOL and you deign to correct others. Jog on.

well its closer to 300 million with all of it spent on investigating SASR. And look what we have, 1 person charged. Be interesting if they could divide it up to find out how much was spent on BRS which would be a fairly large chunk of that amount. If only we could have used that time and money for the AFP and the OSI to investigate terrorist cells within Australia we may not have had a Bondi massacre.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

well its closer to 300 million with all of it spent on investigating SASR. And look what we have, 1 person charged. Be interesting if they could divide it up to find out how much was spent on BRS which would be a fairly large chunk of that amount. If only we could have used that time and money for the AFP and the OSI to investigate terrorist cells within Australia we may not have had a Bondi massacre.

I don’t know about you but I think an Australian soldier being charged with murdering innocent civilians and ordering others to do likewise is a big deal.

But we’re getting off topic; there’s a dedicated thread for discussion of the accused war criminal.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No I haven’t.

You’d also be aware he ceased his financial backing and BRS is broke and applying for public defence.

You also need to be more considered with your wording.

He hasn’t been “found” of anything yet. He’s alleged to have committed these crimes. The only determination at the moment is a calculated opinion in civil court on the balance of probability.

Fortunately in this country we require a much higher burden of truth before we are able to declare someone as a murderer and a war criminal.

OK so you just brush off the fact that in the course of lecturing others on Australian history you’ve been quoting Pauline Hanson’s lies.

Anyway as I said above this is off topic and there’s a dedicated thread for discussion of the accused war criminal Ben Roberts-Smith.

 

[Drought Break]

Of course there are. The algorithms of your search history ensuring you get exactly what confirms your prejudices.



Of course not. Thankfully it's the only online place where you and I will ever meet. And where I have the chance to lecture you on history, civility, respect and perspective.

So lucky to have met you on here bro. I am truly blessed and count my blessings that I have had the honour to be lectured by one so worldly,respectful with a wonderful grasp of history. Military history is your area of expertise after many years serving our nation. Thankyou for your service.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

No, I think your interpretation of it is extremely selective.

What I've learned in the last few pages of rewriting history BF style:

• Anzacs are mostly liars regarding their motives for serving
• Likely abused their kids and wives en mass.
• We overcame a massive anti war movement to seemingly deploy almost half of all of age men in the country into WW1.
• The only people to ever defend Australia in ANY way are first nations people
• WW2 Vets who served in the Pacific were there for no real strategic defence of Australia.
• We apparently withdrew our entire European force back to Australia against the wishes of Britain, one of the most experienced and respected in the North African and Southern European campaign.......just because....
• The War in the pacific was a European resources conspiracy by the Dutch, English and French.
• Service in the Navy apparently doesn't count to the defence of this country.
• Service in the RAAF apparently doesn't count to the defence of this country. Any involvement by the RAAF in any conflict in history had no bearing on the defence of this country.
• Veterans have no right to an opinion on WTC because of Australia Day.
• Anzac day is a political event because politicians are there. So fair game and reasonable to "whatabout" issues of any other cultural problems to offset any reflection and purpose of the day.

Anything else we haven't covered in the last few pages?

Im sure the entire day is a Neo Nazi conspiracy is next on the bingo board..

Anything else the big bad people in this thread have done to you? Did they take your lunch money and give you a wedgie too?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Even though we diverge politically, I always thought you were a serious poster.

Whatever gave you that idea?

You're best off not engaging further. Remember the old advice to never argue with people like that, as they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[Skeptikal]

So lucky to have met you on here bro. I am truly blessed and count my blessings that I have had the honour to be lectured by one so worldly,respectful with a wonderful grasp of history. Military history is your area of expertise after many years serving our nation. Thankyou for your service.

You're the one telling the story mate. I just posted a response calling you out

You just look like a common garden cowardly racist hiding behind a flag with nfi to me. Just like those cowards boo-ing from the shadows on our most solemn of ceremonies.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Ah dear.

 

[Drought Break]

Your the one telling the story mate. I just posted a response calling you out

You just look like a common garden cowardly racist hiding behind a flag with nfi to me. Just like those cowards boo-ing from the shadows on our most solemn of ceremonies.

Thanks for the personal insults. Shows your maturity. Not only do you arrogantly “ lecture” your also a rude individual. Lose the argument when you post crap like this.

 

[Skeptikal]

Thanks for the personal insults. Shows your maturity. Not only do you arrogantly “ lecture” your also a rude individual. Lose the argument when you post crap like this.

My apologies.

Here was me thinking that you coming here defending the pathetic cowardly boo-ing of the welcome to country ceremony of our Indigenous brethren whose ancestors who have lived in this place continuously for tens of thousands of years was yet another example of the racist response to any time a proud Indigenous person dares raise his/her head.

Nah - this was you concerned about the sanctity of the Anzac Day Dawn Service.

Never mind that this was an event organised by the RSL with the Indigenous Elder invited to give the Welcome to Country speech by the organisation that represents returned service men and women.

Never mind that it was the cowardly booing of racists in the dark which interrupted this event and its solemnity to make a cheap political racist point.

Yes Bro I 'lost the argument'.

 

[Gough]

Australias most decorated soldier makes a statement on TV regarding the meaning of the day with no other political undertones and it’s for “reasons unknown”?

I’m sure you have proof he’s never made an interview or any other statements on previous days to show his opinion on the spirit of the day to be highly unusual?

Further, please send me the link of Stokes backing BRS defence? As far as I’m aware, hes applied for public funding of his defense.

I was told the AFP has spent $200m on the BRS case and counting. We haven’t hit the courts yet. That was 20% of their annual operating budget 12 months ago. Seems like an entirely appropriate use of public funds on 1 case.

He's trying to save his own arse and it's hard to blame him, if I was facing the sort of jail time he is I'd be doing the same thing too. But it's hard to remember too many accused mass murderers being offered the platform he is to protest his innocence.

 

[sherb]

How many don’t want the WTC at Anzac Day services but have the manners to not boo? Read social media and see how many don’t want it. Don’t go on what a small group of BF posters think.

You of course could always read social media and see how many are perfectly fine with it.

 

[sherb]

Thanks for the personal insults. Shows your maturity. Not only do you arrogantly “ lecture” your also a rude individual. Lose the argument when you post crap like this.

Says the person who issued personal insults via sarcasm.

 

[RedOrWhite]

I was just pointing out that there is a long term reason why the lords prayer is said at those services (Shouldn't be at parliament as we are a secular nation of course)- other religions are the same.

Fair enough, and agree it shouldn't be done at parliament.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So a neo-nazi that lives with his parents is shaping the LNP/ON/media narrative. Same gronks as last year.