Injury Dawson Simpson - back surgery

[Big Fozza]

Re: Simpson back operation

While your there Big F what are you going to do with your contracted players list, may be just default the 2011 to 2012 when you get a chance.

Be a shame to let it slip now it's pretty good.

it's now a sticky in the catscan forum. i'll update it again with new players when we get into the season proper...

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=787466&page=9

cheers

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Any chance now that Bathie or Walker will get a game or two early?

Walker is a key back or key forward, can't really ruck, so he's more chance to get a game if a kpp is out rather than a ruckman.

Bathie rucked a bit last year but his best footy was as a key defender and he's new to the game so you doubt they'll rush him.

Disappointing. Hope all is well now and he (and Vardy) can crank things up for round 6 or 7 start.

Orren is now the big white hope (literally). Wish him all the best.

Westy now a very important player.

The VFL squad will need to find a couple of big men too.

Go Cats

Yep, hopefully West can go on with it from his really good second half to the year and hopefully Orren can find his feet quickly.

The bolded is a good point I hadn't thought of, you'd think it will have some influence on the composition of the VFL list as Bathie's basically the only one if there's no Dawson or West, and he isn't a frontline ruckman.

 

[rizzo]

Is the report accurate - removal of a disc? If so will be some major rehab work to restore his mobility considering his size. Hope it works out for the big guy.

Def had a disk removed. Hopefully he comes back firing

 

[couchy555]

This has to be a new injury doesnt it? because if they knew about it at the end of last year then it would of been much better to have the surgery in october rather than mid January.

I dont want to be the pesimist of this thread but this could quite easily be career ending. Damm shame if this is to be true.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This has to be a new injury doesnt it? because if they knew about it at the end of last year then it would of been much better to have the surgery in october rather than mid January.

I dont want to be the pesimist of this thread but this could quite easily be career ending. Damm shame if this is to be true.

Not really, Balme makes it clear in the addy that they've been trying to treat it for a period of time with non surgical methods but that hasn't worked (i.e. he's been still able to train but the pain has not receded), so now they've opted for surgery. It's similar to last pre season when Drum had an injury (might have been ankle I think) which they tried to treat with cortisone injections to see if it would clear up, and after a while when it didn't, they opted for surgery. Hopefully Dawson has better luck going forward than Drum did, but my point is there's nothing new or secretive, they've been trying to treat him for a while and have now decided surgery is likely to produce a better outcome.

 

[James1970]

Who does your dog tackle - the postie ??? Gas man ???

Is your dog back playing it's favourite position now [huddle in the corner licking it's own private parts] ?

Oh, he's been back and firing for a while now, and back in his favourite position - any female lap that's handy. But it was touch and go for a time. He couldn't even drop a number two without a helping hand eek: - trying doing that at 3am!) Hopefully Big Dawson doesn't have that problem.

 

[Bck2BckCats]

Walker is a key back or key forward, can't really ruck, so he's more chance to get a game if a kpp is out rather than a ruckman.

Bathie rucked a bit last year but his best footy was as a key defender and he's new to the game so you doubt they'll rush him.



Yep, hopefully West can go on with it from his really good second half to the year and hopefully Orren can find his feet quickly.

The bolded is a good point I hadn't thought of, you'd think it will have some influence on the composition of the VFL list as Bathie's basically the only one if there's no Dawson or West, and he isn't a frontline ruckman.

Wasn't West playing most of his VFL footy last year as a non-ruckman (i.e. forward and back) then came into the seniors out of neccessity as a ruck? We know how well he handled the transition so Bathie could do the same - although i do understand he has nowhere near the same footy experience.

 

[meto]

Re: Simpson back operation

Disappointing. Hope all is well now and he (and Vardy) can crank things up for round 6 or 7 start.

Orren is now the big white hope (literally). Wish him all the best.

Westy now a very important player.

The VFL squad will need to find a couple of big men too.

Go Cats

We've had a thin spread of talls for years, this amplifys the issue.

 

[longtimecat]

Re: Simpson back operation

Let me expand on my thoughts re Bathie or Walker. Oren and West will not play 25 games each next year. Vardy will return at some stage as will Dawson both through the VFL. Therefor if we wish to rest either of the ruckmen, someone must play the second ruck role and as much as I hate the idea it will be Hawkins. So maybe Walker gets a go at CHFor Bathie plays CHB and Lonergan, Scarlet, Mackie or Taylor go forward.

 

[jim boy]

Re: Simpson back operation

Therefor if we wish to rest either of the ruckmen, someone must play the second ruck role and as much as I hate the idea it will be Hawkins.

Thy may go for a left-field choice, eg go with a Lonergan who might manage as a man-on-man ruck.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Simpson back operation

Thy may go for a left-field choice, eg go with a Lonergan who might manage as a man-on-man ruck.

I think they will resort to something like this and leave Tom where he plays best. I think it was Scott who said the ruck stints had compromised Toms forward play and development, which made his Finals form even more meritorious. Bathies basketball background as a power forward might tempt them to give him a go ?

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Simpson back operation

I hate to say this but the Tomahawk could be looking at another year where he is called on to play second ruck.

And who plays forward?

Fevola !


Oh hang on.......

 

[CatTricks]

I work with a family friend of the Simpson's.

He shot the parents a text when we heard the news and heard back that the surgery was a success. Dawson is gutted but optimistic and determined to get back.

 

[pinion]

terrible news for him. stephenson now a shoe-in for round 1

 

[you pick one]

Re: Simpson back operation

And who plays forward?

Fevola !


Oh hang on.......

No Simpson no Vardy one of West or Stephenson goes down who playes in the ruck ?

Blake !

Oh hang on.....

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Simpson back operation

I hate to say this but the Tomahawk could be looking at another year where he is called on to play second ruck.

PS.The next big news to come out of the Cattery will be Cats to activate the Garry Ablett pick this year.
I think it may have happened anyway but this maybe the straw that breaks the Camels back.
Simpson may never make it, Stephenson is a stop gap and West and Vardy 2nd ruck only.
Time to do some serious horse trading.

This is seriously bad news, but NO WAY HAWKINS RUCK! He must be preserved as a KF only if he is to survive and thrive

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Simpson back operation

We've had a thin spread of talls for years, this amplifys the issue.

Ottens, West, Blake, Simpson, Vardy ALL available at this stage 12 months ago, seriously incorrect post. NOW we are terribly thin.Up til now, has never been an issue

 

[Vdubs]

Is the report accurate - removal of a disc? If so will be some major rehab work to restore his mobility considering his size. Hope it works out for the big guy.

Be relieved that Ottens survived similar surgery and is now a triple premiership player.

 

[Vdubs]

Not really, Balme makes it clear in the addy that they've been trying to treat it for a period of time with non surgical methods but that hasn't worked (i.e. he's been still able to train but the pain has not receded), so now they've opted for surgery. It's similar to last pre season when Drum had an injury (might have been ankle I think) which they tried to treat with cortisone injections to see if it would clear up, and after a while when it didn't, they opted for surgery. Hopefully Dawson has better luck going forward than Drum did, but my point is there's nothing new or secretive, they've been trying to treat him for a while and have now decided surgery is likely to produce a better outcome.

I don't like any mention of Drum in the same paragraph as any of our players when it comes to injury and luck! Please, not again.

 

[meto]

Re: Simpson back operation

Ottens, West, Blake, Simpson, Vardy ALL available at this stage 12 months ago, seriously incorrect post. NOW we are terribly thin.Up til now, has never been an issue

Well!...... How do you think we've wound up in this place?

 

[_Me_]

Re: Simpson back operation

Blake will possibly miss another premiers because he was too lazy to work harder
He over estimated his ability

The issue now is if the O and west both go down
A rookie ruck now looks like it would have been essential

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Re: Simpson back operation

Well!...... How do you think we've wound up in this place?

By having two ruckmen, earmarked for senior duties, having surgery in the preseason. You show me a team which can afford to have two ruckmen with senior experience on the shelf, without a significant strain on its depth and I'll show you a team that probably has too many ruckmen on its list. We only have four ruckmen on our list, but critically, they are four AFL-ready ruckmen, we don't have any eighteen year old stick insects.

It all comes back to Ottens' decision to retire, which, while not altogether surprising, was not a certainty. Probably the most damaging aspect of this (though I'm not blaming Ottens), was that it came after Mark Blake had announced his retirement. If the Ottens retirement had happened before Blake made a decision, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the Cats sign Blake for one more year (possibly as a rookie). Whether they would have also drafted Stephenson in that scenario is debatable, as they obviously wouldn't have had the list space to make all the selections they did. Let's say we made a decision between Blake and Stephenson (I'm guessing Blake probably would have rejected a rookie list position). That left us with:

West
Simpson
Vardy
Stephenson/Blake

Ok, so in hindsight, five ruckmen would have been better than four, given our current predicament, but which player are we willing to boot off our senior list to facilitate this? The bottom line is if you have four AFL-calibre ruckmen on your list, you should be fine depth-wise 95% of the time. If West or Stephenson goes down, we'll just have to improvise. Vardy's progress is critical; we need him available for AFL selection (i.e. getting a couple of VFL games under his belt) by the end of the first month. And if we get an injury to one of our currently healthy ruckmen before Vardy or Simpson is good to return, well...that's pretty unlucky. We'll just have to go with the best option, as the club sees it.

 

[vinum coupe]

We can always let Bathie do the tip off.

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Simpson back operation

Well!...... How do you think we've wound up in this place?

You did say thin spread for years??For years, that has been the least of our concerns. It is now that our back-up #1 Blake has retired, our #1 Ottens has retired, our new #1 Simpson is injured, and our back-up #2 Vardy is injured.All at once, pretty unprecedented, but not really argue-worthy. We are thin right now and that's what counts, but I was just saying it has NOT been the case for years beforehand.How many rucks can you recruit for them all to be in the VFL? Which was the case last year anyway. West played CHB at times, Simpson ruck, Blake FP, Vardy CHF, while Ottens and Hawkins played seniors.And then there's Bathie and Walker. No we are ok for talls, just poor timing.

Hence great timing for Orren's selection.

 

[meto]

Re: Simpson back operation

MED,

For one thing Vardy's no ruck, to fragile. He's a keypost tall.
They'll wreck him in the ruck, that's if they haven't already.

Dawson might be worse than we're being told, or they might be just hoping, a back vertebrae doesn't inspire me with confidence, especially when the guy hadn't broken into senior football on merit even before, not just by club desparation!

West isn't a number 1 but obviously will try, but I reckon it's pathetic that this guy Orren Stephenson is expected to take on the likes of Nicknat, Jolley and the like. Poor previous selections and foresight by the recruitment people including Sir Stephen Wells, IMO has created this silly situation.
Never worries about chasing quality talls, has been spoiled with the Abletts and Bartells over the years, now we're so light on it's a joke.

Orren should put his hand out for a pay rise, even before the season starts!