Game Day DAY 1 LIVE - 2018 NAB AFL Draft - Round 1, Thursday 22/11 12PM AEDT

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

1. Calling Poulson and Pickett rubbish just shows the low level type of person you are bottom of the barrel type. They are both very late picks with upside .. I wonder how Dan Butler ever got a game with your incoherent type thinking

3. Its as if you know more than the inside football world which is laughable at best. Again incoherent mutterings.

4. Every club has not gone through a full blown rebuild - in terms of rebuilding the list of 45 players being turned over. In fact no club has gone through a rebuild like this.

You are embarassing.

You really are a bundle of positivity.

Pickett was pick #4 (well done SOS), and Poulson is historically bad.

Surely you don't think Carlton have done well over the last three years? The only reason Carlton has had such an enormous turnover, is because they have made such an incredibly mess of things. There is a reason Silvagni was happily moved on by the Giants- he is no good at his job

 

[richoatthedisco]

A massive Swans fan too so you know he is a well-sorted and intelligent individual.

He comes across as a ripping young man. And footywise, wow, he could be anything.

 

[Taylor]

There's so much going on with potential live trades to keep track of that if people start picking/engaging in or encouraging personal or disruptive conduct I'm just going to kick you off bigfooty for a day.

You can consider all issues resolved now. Anything new will be pushed aside with a massive broom and you'll have to wait a day to discuss the draft.

Don't quote people and continue anything.

 

[garlic munchers]

So a summary of the draft so far.

You know when you have a big night and the next morning you wake up with a hangover in bed with this fat ugly chick beside you while you freak out and wonder what the hell happened last night.

That’s probably how Carlton felt this morning.

This forced high fiving around the table by the Carlton crew why the cameras were on them, tells u they know they are well out on a limb with this one.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

So any whispers on whether WC or Crows put a bid in on GWS academy ruck Briggs at 23 or 24?

or whether Crows bid on Will Kelly at 24?

If Will Kelly gets to pick 25 Collingwood have enough active points to not go into deficit on their 2nd round pick next year so the first two picks today of great interest to us Collingwood fans.

We did our bit with Quaynor, someone else's turn now.

 

[DangerSloane]

Yep take it to a separate Adelaide Carlton dick measuring contest thread

So any chat of your trade with west coast should be taken to the Jason Ball Memorial Thread for loopholes?

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

How many more live trades can we expect?

 

[Taylor]

So any chat of your trade with west coast should be taken to the Jason Ball Memorial Thread for loopholes?

Is this a homosexual reference?

 

[DangerSloane]

Our ruck and defence was wiped out last year

Kruezer was out for half the season.

Other than Docherty which important backs were you missing?

 

[DangerSloane]

Is this a homosexual reference?

Certainly not intentionally but now that you mention it, doesnt look great.
Literally picked the first player i could think of that played for both teams.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

How many more live trades can we expect?

I think we may have prepared one if a bid came on Briggs. Thks late I'm not sure though. I've no problem with what the Swans did, but I do think it had to have been pre-oreoared with WC.

 

[Taylor]

Certainly not intentionally but now that you mention it, doesnt look great.
Literally picked the first player i could think of that played for both teams.

Let's call it the Matt Spangher Draft Pick Hiding Anti-Bid Loophole.

 

[DangerSloane]

We did our bit with Quaynor, someone else's turn now.

God I love Phil.
Intelligent, hard, skillful...just wish GWS hadn't noticed that early and pinched him.

 

[btdg]

Carlton has had numerous #1 draft picks, along with first round picks, over the last decade or so and are still struggling to lift from the bottom of the AFL ladder. I don't think it is trolling to dismiss Carlton fans' fantasies that this time it will be different.

This perception is flat-out wrong. The reason that we are so terrible is that we haven't had many high draft picks over the past decade - up until 4 years ago. Here is Carlton's list of picks in the top 30 of the draft in the past 10 years

2008: pick 6
2009: pick 12
2010: pick 18
2011: pick 22
2012: pick 11
2013: pick 13
2014: pick 19, 28 (we later acquired picks 4, 6 and 15 via trade)
2015: picks 1, 10, 12, 23 (we later acquired pick 13 via trade)
2016: picks 6, 27 (we later acquired pick 5 via trade)
2017: picks 3, 10, 30
2018: picks 1, 19

So, in the first 7 years of the last decade - the players currently aged 24-28 (ie; peak years) we had exactly 1 pick in the top 10, and only 8 players taken in the top 30 of the draft. During that period of compromised drafts, we were trying to top up to win a premiership, playing finals in 2009-11 and 2013. In the last 4 years, since Malthouse was fired and Bolton/SOS joined the club, we have added 16 players in the top 30 of the draft.

Oh - maybe you are comparing to our last 're-build' - from 2002 to 2007. So, here's our drafting in that period:
2002: no picks in the top 30 (stripped of picks 1, 2, and 16 due to salary cap)
2003: pick 2 (stripped of picks 5 and 20 due to salary cap)
2004: pick 9, 25
2005: pick 1, 4, 20 (pick 4 was subsequently traded OUT))
2006: pick 1, 17, 19 (pick 17 was subsequently traded OUT)
2007: pick 1
2008 (the first year of our regrowth/last year we missed finals): pick 6
By the end of THAT process, we had a total of... 8 players taken in the top 30. When we were 'competing' from 2009-2014, we were too 'skinny'. We had top-end talent, but very little depth, had some glaring gaps in the list, and were very vulnerable to injuries. During 09-14, we traded a lot of picks to try and plug gaps, which left us even skinnier.

So how is this time different for Carlton? That's pretty simple:
a) We have twice as many players acquired in the top 30 in the draft as our last 'rebuild'. 16 vs 8. A LOT more young talent
b) This rebuild won't run into compromised drafts; we will have much better draft currency to keep adding over the next 5 years than we did from 2009-14
c) Free agency and increased player movement makes it easier to plug gaps than before. When we get there, we'll be able to top up more easily
d) Our players in the 22-25 age bracket (Cripps, Docherty, McGovern) are better than anyone we had in that age bracket in 2008 (Nick Stevens, Carazzo, Scotland)

 

[DangerSloane]

Let's call it the Matt Spangher Draft Pick Hiding Anti-Bid Loophole.

Spangher played for Sydney? Who knew.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He comes across as a ripping young man. And footywise, wow, he could be anything.

2 absolute steals in back to back years, Higgins and now this bloke!

 

[DangerSloane]

I think we may have prepared one if a bid came on Briggs. Thks late I'm not sure though. I've no problem with what the Swans did, but I do think it had to have been pre-oreoared with WC.

Word around that we will bid on Briggs and not just to annoy that we'd be happy to have him.
Not saying its gospel by any stretch, but we do need a ruck soon.

 

[Joao]

I was just thinking, you know what this thread needs? More people babbling on about Carlton's list.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

We have had so many No.1 picks and never won a premiership so we understand that No.1 picks don't guarantee anything. Its about drafting as a collective and player development (both areas we have sucked as a club for too long - hopefully this has been fixed from about 2016 onwards).

Spot on, time to draw a line in the sand.

 

[DangerSloane]

2 absolute steals in back to back years, Higgins and now this bloke!

Wondering why he lasted so long...
There must have been something bugging recruiters.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I was just thinking, you know what this thread needs? More people babbling on about Carlton's list.

It does have the unwholesome feel of a pack of wolves falling on the slowest deer.

 

[Kernafides]

Kruezer was out for half the season.

Other than Docherty which important backs were you missing?

Jones-17
Plowman-13
Macreadie-0
Marchbank-12
Williamson-0
Weitering-14
Docherty-0

 

[Taylor]

Jones-17
Plowman-13
Macreadie-0
Marchbank-12
Williamson-0
Weitering-14
Docherty-0

We've moved onto today.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

This perception is flat-out wrong. The reason that we are so terrible is that we haven't had many high draft picks over the past decade - up until 4 years ago. Here is Carlton's list of picks in the top 30 of the draft in the past 10 years

2008: pick 6
2009: pick 12
2010: pick 18
2011: pick 22
2012: pick 11
2013: pick 13
2014: pick 19, 28 (we later acquired picks 4, 6 and 15 via trade)
2015: picks 1, 10, 12, 23 (we later acquired pick 13 via trade)
2016: picks 6, 27 (we later acquired pick 5 via trade)
2017: picks 3, 10, 30
2018: picks 1, 19

So, in the first 7 years of the last decade - the players currently aged 24-28 (ie; peak years) we had exactly 1 pick in the top 10, and only 8 players taken in the top 30 of the draft. During that period of compromised drafts, we were trying to top up to win a premiership, playing finals in 2009-11 and 2013. In the last 4 years, since Malthouse was fired and Bolton/SOS joined the club, we have added 16 players in the top 30 of the draft.

Oh - maybe you are comparing to our last 're-build' - from 2002 to 2007. So, here's our drafting in that period:
2002: no picks in the top 30 (stripped of picks 1, 2, and 16 due to salary cap)
2003: pick 2 (stripped of picks 5 and 20 due to salary cap)
2004: pick 9, 25
2005: pick 1, 4, 20 (pick 4 was subsequently traded OUT))
2006: pick 1, 17, 19 (pick 17 was subsequently traded OUT)
2007: pick 1
2008 (the first year of our regrowth/last year we missed finals): pick 6
By the end of THAT process, we had a total of... 8 players taken in the top 30. When we were 'competing' from 2009-2014, we were too 'skinny'. We had top-end talent, but very little depth, had some glaring gaps in the list, and were very vulnerable to injuries. During 09-14, we traded a lot of picks to try and plug gaps, which left us even skinnier.

So how is this time different for Carlton? That's pretty simple:
a) We have twice as many players acquired in the top 30 in the draft as our last 'rebuild'. 16 vs 8. A LOT more young talent
b) This rebuild won't run into compromised drafts; we will have much better draft currency to keep adding over the next 5 years than we did from 2009-14
c) Free agency and increased player movement makes it easier to plug gaps than before. When we get there, we'll be able to top up more easily
d) Our players in the 22-25 age bracket (Cripps, Docherty, McGovern) are better than anyone we had in that age bracket in 2008 (Nick Stevens, Carazzo, Scotland)

Until last night, the last time Adelaide had a draft pick in single figures was 2004.....

Draft picks mean nothing. Selecting the right talent is everything, and the Blues have a buffoon in charge.

 

[btdg]

Who were your injuries?

Yeah Docherty missed the year...big loss, but who else was out for long periods of time?
Murphy missed a few.

If you say Levi Casboult I'm going to laugh.

Not a dick measuring contest at all, but when you're comparing fortunes of teams, don't use injuries as an excuse for the team that had less injuries (and less important injuries) than the other.

The difference is your season was a standard Carlton season, ours was an outlier.

Carlton players who missed 10+ games with injury:
- Docherty, Kreuzer, Murphy, Marchbank, Kennedy, Plowman, Phillips, Casboult, Cuningham, Pickett, Byrne, Lang

Other Carlton players who missed 5+ games with injury in one hit:
- Fisher, Weitering, Rowe, Jones,

By my reckoning, that list includes:
- Our only All-Australian player (prior to the season) AND our captain
- 6 players from the top 10 of our best and fairest in 2017 (with a 7th having been traded)
- Our ruckman, back-up ruckman, and 'in case of emergencies' ruckman
- Our 4 best KP defenders, plus our best two mid-sized defenders

For a team that had very little depth, very little leadership, and a lot of young players to start with, it was a complete and utter disaster.