Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

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After about a week of denial and looking for some miraculous solution where we get to keep Beams, I've come to grips with the fact he is leaving and there is nothing we can do. It seems like to get a deal we want, we need to include a third club to the Collingwood, Brisbane trade. Right now it seems like GWS is our best bet (Dangerfield by all accounts isn't leaving). I think in order to work out what sort of deal we can get, its important to understand what the three clubs actually want, and what they don't need.

Collingwood: Need: help in the forward line. Don't need: youth and don't actually need help in the midfield. Our midfield depth has never been our issue. I'm not ready to give up on our young midfielders, with players like Adams, Thomas, Martin and even Elliot and Williams showing signs they have the potential and talent to play in the midfield, give them a year and if they clearly aren't going to make the cut deal with that then. Much to early to rule them out.

I think we should do everything we can to grow our team by facilitating a deal to get Jeremy Cameron to come to Collingwood. Our forward line was woeful last year and was probably our weakest point on the ground.Seems he wants to play for a big club, and isn't really needed at GWS given they seem to like the Boyd, Patton combo for their future. a deal in which GWS gets depth and we get Cameron is a win-win for both clubs considering all signs are pointing to him walking end of next year.

Brisbane: Need: Some leadership, to be relevant and give fans a reason to show up. Don't need: Youth. Beams gives them exactly what they want. They would be crazy to let this deal slide for the sake of young, unproven talent or for the sake of a few draft places. Should be throwing every draft pick they possibly can to acquire Beams. They are young enough already, an 18 year old future star isn't actually what they need.

Cannot blow this deal, it is really a once in a lifetime deal of a proven big game, big club player wanting to go play for a smaller team. If going into next year with no high draft picks and possibly one less young midfielder means getting Beams, they would be stupid not to take that every day of the week.

GWS: Need: Young Depth or Mature Leaders. Don't need: Average Draft Picks and more forwards. GWS is in the process of finalising the list they hope will give them a run in a few years at a flag. Low picks won't help them, they need quality depth. Not really much maturity out there at the moment between Brisbane and the Pies, so may have settle for drafts picks.

Just need to work out a deal now, involving:

Collingwood: IN: Jeremy Cameron OUT: Dayne Beams
Brisbane: IN: Dayne Beams OUT: Quality Draft Picks
GWS: IN: Quality Draft Picks OUT: Jeremy Cameron

Whatever draft picks need to be thrown in by any clubs to make this work, and still get what they want, should be taken.
Did you pick your nick or did a friend pick it for you? It is so appropriate. The formatting of the post was exquisite. I've marked students work and you would definitely get top marks for style. The bad news is the content. It would be wonderful if GWS and Brisbane were in-the-closet supporters of the Pies. Alas...

btw I've heard that the AFL is introducing a rule that forces GWS to deal with Collingwood when we need a player. Thats good news.
 

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MELB INS : Lumumba, Collingwood 3RD Rounder (46)
MELB OUTS : Pick 22

PIES INS : Pick 22
PIES OUTS : Lumumba , Pick 46

THEN

PIES INS : WHE, Orourke GWS Pick 38 (third rounder)
PIES OUTS: Beams

BRIS INS : Beams
BRIS OUTS: Pick 4, 24 ,Patful

GWS INS : Pick 4, 24 ,Patful
GWS OUTS : WHE, Orourke Pick 38

Gives us WHE, Orourke ,Picks 8, Lumumba Pick (22), 28, 38

There u go Derek, done your job for u, NOW GET IT DONE :D
Some problems: First, as much as I want to thank the Dees for taking H off our hands, giving them another pick for nothing makes little sense to me. Add in Clarke, and we're square.

Also, I seriously doubt the GWS would want another pick in the top 5 without really adding any more senior experience to the list.

Sigh, I just want this to be done
 

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For what it's worth Eddie said this morning that both Beams and his manager want the Pies to be compensated fairly in a trade and he still thinks it will get done if all involved are sensible, but it may involve a third party.

Interestingly, when asked by others on his show whether there were "any other factors" invloved in his request for a trade Eddie responded that it doesn't help that a big fat contract has been offered to him by Brisbane.
How dare Ed hint this isn't solely to do with his father's health :mad:
 
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Am I correct in recalling a provision in the AFL rules that Collingwood could agree to trade Beams and include some of his wage inside of our salary cap, thus easing the burden on say, Gold Coast, who would be far more willing to offer a reasonable price if not for salary cap issues?

If so, I say snub Brisbane for the entire first week of the trade period and focus on getting a deal done with Gold Coast, who would be inclined to actually offer value.
We'll either get a deal over the line and screw the Lions in the process, or have them running to us with a better deal by week 2. Thoughts?
 

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Look it's a bit difficult in some cases to be specific.
Franklin has smashed his car more than once. He's also been in fights. He also missed a long time with a mystery hamstring. Brereton covered the Hodge issus and why he wasn't catain at the time. I'm not going to link the injunctions but Dermot did. That's the captain of their club now and dual Norm Smith medalist. Hawks made a football decision and good on them. Players caring isn't about the players so much as it is about the club and the envioronment - that's the whole problem we have let develop IMO. Sure as hell we didn't win a flag without a committed group of players.
Franklin smashed a car while at Sydney and got Wellingham to chauffeur him while at Hawks.

Brereton didn't want Clarkson to start with and recently stated he stepped aside as it wouldn't be right to remain on the board. Other accounts say damaging leaks from the board always seemed to occur when Brereton was on there and hence he was offered the opportunity to walk the plank and save face. He was seen as a white anter and others have suggested Mitchell was not a popular selection because he was a bit of an arrogant and abrasive cock.

In any case, there can be no doubting that both Mitchell and Hodge are leaders at their club as well as being best players. Same with Roughead and Lewis. We do not have this pattern at Collingwood where cool cliques and nightlife were at a premium.
 

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Very much understand people are emotional, it's a super tough time for you guys.
At risk of stating the obvious...people around here are a bit upset about losing Beams. Many of us still vividly recall 2002 and 2003 and the thought of losing him to your club hurts a bit. Forgive us for getting a little emotional but this is OUR BOARD!
...That is pretty much exactly what I wrote....
 

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...That is pretty much exactly what I wrote....
Correct me if I'm wrong but you were asking people on this board to chill out because the deal will get done. I was pointing out that we don't want the deal to get done. We want to keep our contracted player.
 
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I think it's time to rebuild now, well and truly.

I would trade Beams for two first round draft picks and add them on top of pick 8 which will be used for Moore, pick 22 for Lumumba and we have pick 28. That would be 5 picks in the top 28, not bad for a side rebuilding.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but you were asking people on this board to chill out because the deal will get done. I was pointing out that we don't want the deal to get done. We want to keep our contracted player.
I said people jumping down your throat every time you say anything was getting a but much but that I understood you guys are rightly very emotional about this.
 

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Browndog is a old school troll. Use to spend a lot of time in the bay and was very good at trolling Carlton supporters, until the Fevola trade and his threads backfired.
I have no doubt he is getting a kick from every Collingwood supporters anxiety regarding Beams choice to leave.

I was there in Shanghai in 2010 when the Dees and Brissy had that exhibition match.. I also saw the commotion that got him fired earlier that day..
 
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That's two contracted players that have to be convinced to move to facilitate the movement of one other player.

It doesn't look terrible or unbalanced on paper but I can't think of the last time we saw a trade like that happen, especially involving a 1st year 18 year old player moving to his second interstate destination in the space of a year.

Also FWIW I've heard we've made overtures to Keefe in previous trade periods with no interest from him in coming back to Queensland.
Many traded have been made despite player X not being in agreeance to it. Don't be surprized if GC bids late and Aish and pick 4 becomes part of the equation.
 

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Am I correct in recalling a provision in the AFL rules that Collingwood could agree to trade Beams and include some of his wage inside of our salary cap, thus easing the burden on say, Gold Coast, who would be far more willing to offer a reasonable price if not for salary cap issues?

If so, I say snub Brisbane for the entire first week of the trade period and focus on getting a deal done with Gold Coast, who would be inclined to actually offer value.
We'll either get a deal over the line and screw the Lions in the process, or have them running to us with a better deal by week 2. Thoughts?
I'm certain the club would not approach this period with a mind set of wanting to "screw Brisbane". Despite all the hyperbole on this board, a deal will get done that is a win-win for both clubs, whether that be through a direct trade or involving a 3rd club, either way it will get done.

Our club has had an excellent trading record under Hine and Co as being a club willing to get a deal done. For examples Adams / Shaw, Wellingham, Dawes and plenty of other examples where we have worked constructively behind the scenes to facilitate the right trade for the club.

I'm gutted that Beams wants to go, but am optimistic that we will be adequately compensated.
 

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Might be misinterpreting the statements made in the last two days, but Beams and Connors wanting to deal 'exclusively with Brisbane' is crook..

No worries with him wanting to be there for his father, but if that is his prime concern, getting to GCS also accomplishes the aim.

If they would prefer to deal with Brisbane at our expense just because of more favourable terms / more cash for Beams, that seems like poor form.
 

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Swann on Trade week radio now saying a deal has to be done that leaves all sides feeling like they have had a win.
Swann and Hine have a close relationship while Dean Warren wants to big note himself and try and make a name for himself. Cool Heads will prevail.

We won't get 100% of his worth but confident we will get 90%.
 
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Swann on Trade week radio now saying a deal has to be done that leaves all sides feeling like they have had a win.
Yep, basically came straight out and said both sides are posturing at the moment and that there will be a meeting in the middle. Stating the obvious really.
 
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I'm certain the club would not approach this period with a mind set of wanting to "screw Brisbane".
Didn't suggest that. Didn't say I wanted them to. Merely saying that if Brisbane appear determined to not want to do a deal, well simple - don't deal with them. That in turn screws them by ensuring they don't receive Beams.

Looks like Swann has added some sense to the debate though. Maybe cool heads will prevail after all.
 
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