Confirmed - Dayne Beams [traded with #41 and #43 to Collingwood for #18, #56 and future 1st round pick] | Page 77 | BigFooty

Confirmed Dayne Beams [traded with #41 and #43 to Collingwood for #18, #56 and future 1st round pick]

Discussion in 'Drafts, Trading & Free Agency' started by PieLebo87, May 29, 2018.

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  1. Checkered

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    Lmao you love making baseless claims tho
     
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  2. Vod Ka Nockers

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    I cant be bothered to find it for you, go and look for it yourself. He isnt playing as a permanent forward he is having stints through that position. You obviously dont watch the that games closely otherwise you wouldnt be arguing the point
     
  3. adammania9

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    And there you go, pick 18 would have been Isaac Quaynor anyway. Therefore, 2x first round picks is a great price paid by Collingwood.
     
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  4. BRAB

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    Could have done a Sydney and received Quaynor and another player.
     
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    How so?
    We don't have a 2019 1st rounder to enable us to trade any other picks out....

    Sydney also didn't land a ready made gun in the trade period.....
     
  6. BRAB

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    True

    Fact of the matter is that You traded draft currency though. Lots of groupthinking to get to the conclusion that 18 had no value.
     
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    In this instance in terms of how it played out....it made sense to bring in Beams and we still ended up with Quaynor so it was pretty well executed albeit you need a bit of luck too on the day.
     
  8. BRAB

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    Yeah everything came together to benefit both sides in the end.

    Think most years that trade wouldn't have happened with us wanting the two firsts. Old mate Quaynor did us both a favour.

    Still traded two firsts though
     
  9. Pendles!

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    Who cares? Why does there need to be a loser?

    In all likelihood we wouldn’t have traded this years first without Quaynor being there anyway.
     
  10. BRAB

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    smh
     
  11. Pendles!

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    “Still traded two picks though”
     

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  12. BRAB

    BRAB Just Hip my Wood

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    If stating what happened is arguing that Collingwood lost the trade than I don't know what to say.
     
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    You were implying collingwood lost the trade, pinhead

    Now stop posting.
     
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    We wont know for a few years yet how good or bad this trade was. At the moment Collingwood has given up pick 21(this year) and next years first probably pick 14-20 for Beams and a pick in the 40s which helped us pay for pick 13 (IQ).

    On paper Colling has traded out our first and second picks this year and our first round pick next year. So thats :

    Picks 21, 42 (both Brisbane picks in the end) from this year, pick 14-20 (2019) and Fasolo out.

    For picks 13, 29, Beams and Murray.

    If Murray wasnt going to be suspended the Pies would have looked pretty good right now.
     
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    In isolation they would have considered trading 18 for 41 and 43 just for the points, similar to us trading down that first rounder we got for Redden with North so we could get the points to get Hipwood and Keays (this is why I think it's ******ed when Victorians claim we get an unfair advantage with the academies)

    That's why I was pissed off when the trade happened, would have much rathered they kept 18 and give us Crisp back. Crisp, 56 and future first rounder for Beams and 41 and 43 would have been a fair trade and beneficial to both sides (as Crisp is younger and likely to still be in his prime when our premiership window hopefully opens)
     
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    I don’t think there would have been much of a way for us to trade up in this draft without losing a player we value in the deal tbh. We gave up currency, but at the end of the day it was in our best interests to do so. Good deal all round really, Brisbane get the pick that would have been eaten by Quaynor, we get enough points back to get our NGA/FS picks without going in to defecit next year. If we’d sat on our hands and not traded for Beams then we’d have the same recruits but no Beams, so there’s not really much to be unhappy about from a Collingwood perspective.
     
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    Why would Crisp want to go back to Brisbane?
     
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    Crisp in our best 13 players no way am I including him in any trade unless it's for an absolute superstar and stlll I would struggle.
     
  19. PieLebo87

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    Snippet from article today -

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-signs-four-year-deal-with-magpies-20181128-p50izd.html

    “Collingwood matched bids for Quaynor and Kelly from Greater Western Sydney and Adelaide respectively. Under the matching system, which clubs largely think generous to clubs with academy players or father-son recruits, Collingwood also avoided a points deficit that would impact on their draft position in 2019, although they had already sacrificed their 2019 first-round pick for Beams.“

    With no impact to next year’s points for Pies in getting Quaynor and Kelly, Beams effectively cost the Pies next year’s first round pick only. Both parties won out in this with the Lions getting 2 first rounders.
     
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    They could've used pick 18 on someone else or another pick. Might've been able to trade pick 18 and 2019 first for a pick before the Quaynor bid.
     
  21. robertg22

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    How does that land us Beams?
     
  22. jackess

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    That's the point. The bidding is a separate process to the trade. Taking advantage of that system is what every team does. Whether or not it was used in the Beams trade it would've been moved on.
     
  23. Raveneyes

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    Either you don't get it, or you refuse to get it due to losing Beams.

    Everyone has won here anyway.
     
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    You don't get it. Trading out the first pick you expect to have after an academy bid isn't a genius move and isn't anything new.
     
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    Nah I get it. You just come off as a little salty.
     
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