Rumour Dayne Beams - will he or won't he retire?

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Ediit: Then there's the spot on an AFL list that some young player is desperate to get on. That extra spot is filled by Beams. Seriously, WTF?

We can still delist him and replace him with a kid. But the Beams salary still has to be carried.

So the problem is we might have to replace him with about five kids on base salary and get rid of other senior players!!!

In fact we are starting to see the machinations now, with half the team apparently on the trade table. I wonder if the Treloar stuff is partly because Collingwood knows the cost of Beams contract is going to have to be carried in full for two more years.........
 

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I'm pretty sure the players would have their superannuation funds, attached to those can be a TPD insurance policy. If it is proven through doctors and specialists reports that the employee isn't able to continue their normal line of work due to injury or illness incl. mental health, then they could be paid out that insurance amount, which can he an amount anywhere between $100k to $1M...
This is spot on, as I’ve gone through this. With the right person helping you and a good insurance company it can go through quite easily if the injury/claim is very obvious like mine was. Mental health might be tricky and the insurers will definitely fight that.
 
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If Beams has any level of respect for the football club that gave him the opportunity to become a premiership playing AFL player, the football club that facilitated his move to Brisbane out of respect for Beam's father, and the football club that spent too much to get him back to his desired destination and consequently look after him through an entire season of not doing what you're paid to do, any level of respect, let alone what CFC deserve, should see him retire. No payout.

Ediit: Then there's the spot on an AFL list that some young player is desperate to get on. That extra spot is filled by Beams. Seriously, WTF?
By all reports Beams only looks out for Beams. He will want his entire contract paid out. We were stupid enough to sign a known problem, we now have to reap it.
 
By all reports Beams only looks out for Beams. He will want his entire contract paid out. We were stupid enough to sign a known problem, we now have to reap it.
If that’s the case, I think we should apply pressure in the form of acknowledging Beams’ indiscretions while at the club for the second time around. From what I hear, there is grounds there for termination of contract.

In fact, though I am an Eddie supporter, I would call on Eddie, who apparently was instrumental in getting Beams back to the club regardless of his condition and the cost, to be held accountable for the blunder and get this albatross off of our club’s neck.
 

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If that’s the case, I think we should apply pressure in the form of acknowledging Beams’ indiscretions while at the club for the second time around. From what I hear, there is grounds there for termination of contract.

In fact, though I am an Eddie supporter, I would call on Eddie, who apparently was instrumental in getting Beams back to the club regardless of his condition and the cost, to be held accountable for the blunder and get this albatross off of our club’s neck.

Ned Guy is the one who gave him the long contract despite his huge issues with depression.
 

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Beams played 19 games in 2017 and 21 games in 2018.

Depression didn't appear much of a hindrance in his final two seasons with Brisbane did it?

Plenty of people live with a mental illness everyday and still battle through to go to work because they can't afford not to while others who may need time away for a period get themselves well enough again with the aid of medication and/or counselling.

People with prolonged mental illness concerns struggle to ever find meaningful employment and they certainly would never have the capacity to reach the level that Beams did as footballer even if they had all the talent in the world.

By all reports the Beams depression appears more self inflicted due to addiction and a realisation he's pissed away huge sums of money rather than the poor sod suffering a chemical imbalance in the brain or people who are the survivors of some horrific event.

What really angers me and I'm sure plenty of others is that despite all the extra support Beams would have had access to due to him being a high profile footballer he didn't return to the club last year to work with our medical professionals to rehabilitate from his hip surgery, after being granted a prolonged absence from the club and having the motivation to trek the Kokoda track still didn't turn up for preseason training and when presented with an unexpected opportunity due to the postponement of the season he was still nowhere to be seen.

Personally I don't believe he's made any genuine attempt to resume his job as a professional footballer and as The Royal Sampler said if we have leverage we can threaten to use against him if he doesn't settle on our terms it's about time we use it.

We owe him nothing.
 

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It honestly just looks like he used us to get money and we were dumb enough to do it. Kinda sad how a few of these Premiership players we had have turned out to be real knobs. Harry, Dayne and Dale to name 3.

The reunions are certainly getting smaller by the year.

Don't think Darren Jolly had many friends either.
 
Beams played 19 games in 2017 and 21 games in 2018.

Depression didn't appear much of a hindrance in his final two seasons with Brisbane did it?

Plenty of people live with a mental illness everyday and still battle through to go to work because they can't afford not to while others who may need time away for a period get themselves well enough again with the aid of medication and/or counselling.

People with prolonged mental illness concerns struggle to ever find meaningful employment and they certainly would never have the capacity to reach the level that Beams did as footballer even if they had all the talent in the world.

By all reports the Beams depression appears more self inflicted due to addiction and a realisation he's pissed away huge sums of money rather than the poor sod suffering a chemical imbalance in the brain or people who are the survivors of some horrific event.

What really angers me and I'm sure plenty of others is that despite all the extra support Beams would have had access to due to him being a high profile footballer he didn't return to the club last year to work with our medical professionals to rehabilitate from his hip surgery, after being granted a prolonged absence from the club and having the motivation to trek the Kokoda track still didn't turn up for preseason training and when presented with an unexpected opportunity due to the postponement of the season he was still nowhere to be seen.

Personally I don't believe he's made any genuine attempt to resume his job as a professional footballer and as The Royal Sampler said if we have leverage we can threaten to use against him if he doesn't settle on our terms it's about time we use it.

We owe him nothing.

I've got no interest in defending Beams, but your points about what people with mental illness can or can't do are wayward generalisations.
 
It honestly just looks like he used us to get money and we were dumb enough to do it. Kinda sad how a few of these Premiership players we had have turned out to be real knobs. Harry, Dayne and Dale to name 3.
Daisy is starting to look angelic compared to the other 2
 

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By all reports the Beams depression appears more self inflicted due to addiction and a realisation he's pissed away huge sums of money rather than the poor sod suffering a chemical imbalance in the brain or people who are the survivors of some horrific event.
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Completely obvious he has a chemical imbalance: the brain is just a bunch of chemicals and he thinks it is ok to do the wrong thing by the pies. Personally I think living up north and playing for Brisbane would fit the criteria of an horrific event but some might question that view.
 
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I've got no interest in defending Beams, but your points about what people with mental illness can or can't do are wayward generalisations.
They are probably are wayward generalizations, but I am OK with them being applied to Beams alone. I don't know if he has a mental illness or not, but I do know that he is playing the club for fools and is doing a disservice to people with genuine mental health issues. I feel for Beams like I do for covid 19 - I just want to see him gone.
 
If that’s the case, I think we should apply pressure in the form of acknowledging Beams’ indiscretions while at the club for the second time around. From what I hear, there is grounds there for termination of contract.

In fact, though I am an Eddie supporter, I would call on Eddie, who apparently was instrumental in getting Beams back to the club regardless of his condition and the cost, to be held accountable for the blunder and get this albatross off of our club’s neck.

Going after a Premiership player with mental health issues? Not a good look, no matter what the indescretions.

Geez, between H and Beams, it’s a friggen mess.
 
How this mess hasn't been worked out during the year and announced already is a disgrace

Would have thought the worst case scenario is that the club delist and re-rookie him?

Given that they haven’t done that yet, there’s the possibility of something better in the works, and happy for the club to take as long as they need to make that happen.
 

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Would have thought the worst case scenario is that the club delist and re-rookie him?

Given that they haven’t done that yet, there’s the possibility of something better in the works, and happy for the club to take as long as they need to make that happen.

I guess what we don't know is what the AFL may need to sign off on in regards to how any final payment is treated against salary cap.

The answer to what we need to do, and what we might be happy with, could look very different depending on whether any payment is in or out of the cap.
 
Going after a Premiership player with mental health issues? Not a good look, no matter what the indescretions.
What’s a bloke need to live on?

If he’s providing no service to the club, and making no attempt to get back to football, he should be on the league minimum until his contract runs out. Why should he be paid like an elite player to fingerpaint?

2 x $100,000 years, take it or we take it further for breach of contract.
 

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Why would they rookie him?

If any final payment to Beams is counted on our cap, and we delist him this year, the money goes on the cap this year is my understanding. We may not have room to do that. If we need to spread it into next year so as not to breach the cap, he has to be on the list. One way to achieve that would be to rookie him, with the added bonus that some may be outside the cap. Sydney had to do that with Tippett when he finished up in order to manage the final payment over more than one year.
 

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If any final payment to Beams is counted on our cap, and we delist him this year, the money goes on the cap this year is my understanding. We may not have room to do that. If we need to spread it into next year so as not to breach the cap, he has to be on the list. One way to achieve that would be to rookie him, with the added bonus that some may be outside the cap. Sydney had to do that with Tippett when he finished up in order to manage the final payment over more than one year.

I don't think that's true, if his contract says he must be paid 500k in 2021 then he'll be paid 500k in 2021, unless they come to an arrangement that says otherwise.
 

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I don't think that's true, if his contract says he must be paid 500k in 2021 then he'll be paid 500k in 2021, unless they come to an arrangement that says otherwise.

Tippett retired early in January 2018 for medical reasons. He had a contract till the end of 2020

He was drafted as Sydney's third round rookie draft choice and onto the list for 2019 due to the need to spread his final settlement payment over 2018 and 2019 for cap reasons.

 

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Tippett retired early in January 2018 for medical reasons. He had a contract till the end of 2020

He was drafted as Sydney's third round rookie draft choice and onto the list for 2019 due to the need to spread his final settlement payment over 2018 and 2019 for cap reasons.


As has already been explained, I'm pretty sure the Tippett case is completely different because he was picked up in the Preseason draft due to putting a massive contract on his head, which could easily be exploited in the future if players did that then just retired before the contract ended and ruining the integrity of the draft... correct me if any of that is wrong..
 
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