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Rusty Beam

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Has anybody thought about Dib?
That kid looks as though he will attract a second round bid. We want points for Daicos AND Dib.
It really doesn’t mater about any debt accrued to get Dib. At least not to our 2022 first rounder.

The deficit is applied to the future round (or subsequent rounds), corresponding to the round in which the deficit was incurred.
 
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It really doesn’t mater about any debt accrued to get Dib.

The deficit is applied to the future round (or subsequent rounds), corresponding to the round in which the deficit was incurred.
Correct. And he won’t be going first round/top 20 barring a miracle.

In fact we should take it a step further. We should really do our homework on what round we think Dib will get taken, and then trade the relevant 2022 pick into the 2021 draft for Daicos points.

Say we think Daicos gets a bid at #1 and Dib somewhere in the third round. We trade our 2022 third for a team’s 2021 third (after all, we’re a terrible team, so maybe the prospect of an early 2022 third could net a good team like Richmond or the Bulldogs’ 2021 third).

We use the newly acquired 2021 third to help pay for Daicos along with our existing third from last year’s trade period, then a bid comes for Dib in the third round as expected, and we don’t have enough points left because they’ve all been used. So our 2022 third gets downgraded. Except we don’t have one to downgrade anymore, #sorrynotsorry
 

Rusty Beam

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Correct. And he won’t be going first round/top 20 barring a miracle.

In fact we should take it a step further. We should really do our homework on what round we think Dib will get taken, and then trade the relevant 2022 pick into the 2021 draft for Daicos points.

Say we think Daicos gets a bid at #1 and Dib somewhere in the third round. We trade our 2022 third for a team’s 2021 third (after all, we’re a terrible team, so maybe the prospect of an early 2022 third could net a good team like Richmond or the Bulldogs’ 2021 third).

We use the newly acquired 2021 third to help pay for Daicos along with our existing third from last year’s trade period, then a bid comes for Dib in the third round as expected, and we don’t have enough points left because they’ve all been used. So our 2022 third gets downgraded. Except we don’t have one to downgrade anymore, #sorrynotsorry
I agree.

But I think it’s more likely to be our 2022 2nd rounder.

Which is fine as I think we will need to trade that into this year for Daicos points anyway. Particularly given we can’t really stockpile late picks through bundling with other clubs anymore.
 

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Here, talks about the potential deals last year

Collingwood’s decision last year to accept a modest Giants offer for the Magpies’ future first-round draft pick bemused rivals after its ambitious demands before that.
The Herald Sun can reveal Collingwood list manager Ned Guy wanted a top-10 selection last year in exchange for the club’s 2021 first-round pick, which is provisionally No. 2 because of the Pies’ poor start.

Guy was desperate to offload Collingwood’s top choice this year, because the club can match any bid for father-son prospect Nick Daicos, who is widely considered the best player in the draft.



The Western Bulldogs (Jamarra Ugle-Hagan), Greater Western Sydney (Tom Green) and North Melbourne (Tarryn Thomas) are among teams that previously made trades to manipulate this dynamic.

Instead, the Magpies settled for the Giants’ lesser proposal, which ended up being picks 24 and 30 in last year’s draft, plus a future fourth-round choice tacked on to satisfy AFL rules.




That’s despite a number of other clubs, including Richmond, Essendon and Adelaide, trying to prise the pick out of Collingwood.

Opposition recruiters expected the Pies’ top pick this year would land somewhere between eighth and 12th, and there is still a feeling, in some quarters, they won’t finish as low as they are now.

Collingwood already sent its future second-round pick to Hawthorn – also for a so-so return – and clubs can’t give up multiple future selections without bringing one in when a first-rounder is involved.




The AFL blocked the deal until Guy acquired an extra 2021 selection, which GWS agreed to provide.

Even then, Collingwood was fortunate to get a deal done after leaving it until almost the last moment – but the call to load up in last year’s draft has left it in a tough spot for this year’s edition.




The Magpies added six players in the national draft, whereas seven opposition clubs recruited two or fewer in a shallow class that had so many unknowns after the COVID-19-impacted season.

Adding to the complexity, they also matched a bid last year for Academy prospect Reef McInnes, who fortunately slipped to No. 23, before the Giants attempted to draft him.

Daicos is an enormous prize, but the AFL allocates a points value to picks in descending order and Collingwood must go into deficit to match an early bid on him, as its draft hand stands.

In effect, the earlier the young star is bid on, the greater number of points the Magpies will have to cough up to match.

That means Collingwood risks its first selection sliding in the 2022 draft, because the deficit will be made up then.

The Tigers tried to tempt the Pies with pick 20, which eventually was traded for Geelong’s future first-round selection.




It’s understood both the Bombers and Crows were willing to offer a bevy of picks in the 2021 draft to help with the Daicos situation, but couldn’t appease Guy.

Part of Adelaide’s package is believed to have included two picks in the 20s, but there is extra intrigue in what draft sources say Essendon was willing to part with.

The Bombers’ offer revolved around them swapping their second of three top-10 selections, which ended up being No. 9 (Archie Perkins), for Collingwood’s first pick at 17 (Oliver Henry).

Two future third-round selections as part of the offer – one of them Port Adelaide’s – were designed to help the Magpies’ points haul, while Collingwood would part with its 2021 first in return.

That potential deal would have left the Pies with a worse points disparity than the Giants one, but also a coveted top-10 pick and more points protection for the Daicos draft.

The trade will look better if Collingwood climbs the ladder by season’s end, but that won’t impact whether Guy and co. left themselves too much to do.
 

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It may be foresight with hindsight, but I think the lesson is don’t trade out picks in advance of a problem. Deal with the problem when it becomes one.
I think the problem is that they treated it as a problem rather than a fabulous opportunity of owning an asset with high value to be sold. The other factor is that they cut too many and had to replace them immediately and didn't want to do it at the back end of a very speculative draft. They loaded up on 2020 because they put themselves in a position where they had to.
 

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100% they will bid on Daicos with our pick for sure. The ultimate insult, giving them a top 3 pick for two 2nds and they use it to bid on Daicos. They bid on Quaynor and on Reef, just because they are c***s and they’ll do it again.
Ever since their inception they’ve had the MO of going up to the biggest kid in the playground and giving him a whack. It builds their profile. We can thank Kevin Sheedy for that.
 

Rusty Beam

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I think the problem is that they treated it as a problem rather than a fabulous opportunity of owning an asset with high value to be sold. The other factor is that they cut too many and had to replace them immediately and didn't want to do it at the back end of a very speculative draft. They loaded up on 2020 because they put themselves in a position where they had to.
I don’t disagree. The PR element was a major element.

I think you need to know what asset you’ve got too. Ultimately by trading it early they were guessing and royally f’ed it up.

I don’t think there was any downside of holding onto it and trading it out this year.
 
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