Declassified documents show connections between Saudi diplomats and 9-11 terrorists

[VineyIsLORD]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...1-saudi-arabia-congressional-report-terrorism

If it were any country the USA would have turned them to glass by now.

Gist of it is, some Saudi diplomats (almost certainly deep state types) provided support to a terrorist cell in LA, who then provided financial support to at least 2 of the hijackers.

Saudi government commits terrorist attack on US. Uses their mates in the Whitehouse/Military/Big Oil to declare war on secular middle eastern governments, radicalising the region. Picks fight with Iran.

Pretty wisely invested from the Saudi point of view.

NOTE: This isn't a 'Bush did 911' thread. This is a 'Saudi did 9-11 and Bush covered it up' thread. i.e. this is about an actual conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.

 

[Thrawn]

When people had the audacity to claim that the powers that be in the US simply let it happen, they were howled down and called nutters.

Bush, Cheney and co were just as complicit as the Saudis involved and they should be tried for war crimes and treason. Sadly, that's not going to happen unless new evidence comes out that blows everything out of the water.

 

[sydney eagle]

Some people have been saying for a while that the Bush family have been in bed with the Saudi royals for years. They are generally "conspiracy theorists" of course, but could there be something in it ?

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Some people have been saying for a while that the Bush family have been in bed with the Saudi royals for years. They are generally "conspiracy theorists" of course, but could there be something in it ?

It is a verifiable fact.

 

[Slax]

Iraq and Saddam had about as much to do with 9-11 attacks as Turnbull had to do with Brexit. There never was a connection with it and the whole war with Iraq was only ever about oil.

Who do people think is bankrolling IS? Notice how attacks in Saudi Arabia have been minimal

The West picked the wrong horse to back when it chose the Saudi's over Iran. Iran is more tolerant, more westernised and more predictable. Just look at the treatment of woman and it tells you a lot. But then selling oil to the USA for $25 a barrel is hard for them not to cover up the Saudi failings.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Iraq and Saddam had about as much to do with 9-11 attacks as Turnbull had to do with Brexit. There never was a connection with it and the whole war with Iraq was only ever about oil.

Who do people think is bankrolling IS? Notice how attacks in Saudi Arabia have been minimal

The West picked the wrong horse to back when it chose the Saudi's over Iran. Iran is more tolerant, more westernised and more predictable. Just look at the treatment of woman and it tells you a lot. But then selling oil to the USA for $25 a barrel is hard for them not to cover up the Saudi failings.

Its not so much that Iran is more westernised. Probably the opposite if anything.

Iran just has an actual culture and self respect, Saudi doesn't.

 

[Slax]

Its not so much that Iran is more westernised. Probably the opposite if anything.

Iran just has an actual culture and self respect, Saudi doesn't.

Iran is far more Westernised. Women can walk around freely, they can even attend sporting events. They don't need to cover their faces either and I know of a number of women who have travelled to Iran by themselves and said that it was perfectly safe, much safer than some Western countries. Too many people have an image in their minds that Israel and the USA want you to have about Iran when the opposite is the truth.

Iran is safer to travel in than Israel or the USA.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Iran is far more Westernised. Women can walk around freely, they can even attend sporting events. They don't need to cover their faces either and I know of a number of women who have travelled to Iran by themselves and said that it was perfectly safe, much safer than some Western countries. Too many people have an image in their minds that Israel and the USA want you to have about Iran when the opposite is the truth.

Iran is safer to travel in than Israel or the USA.

I think we agree but just not on the use of the word westernised.

Women walking around freely isn't strictly a western invention. The Persians have probably been around about 5,000 years, and women would have been free to walk around most of that time. In the west women have been free to walk around maybe for a couple of hundred years at best.

Iran probably isn't as safe as Israel. But that's only because of the traffic habits in Tehran.

 

[Slax]

I think we agree but just not on the use of the word westernised.

Women walking around freely isn't strictly a western invention. The Persians have probably been around about 5,000 years, and women would have been free to walk around most of that time. In the west women have been free to walk around maybe for a couple of hundred years at best.

Iran probably isn't as safe as Israel. But that's only because of the traffic habits in Tehran.

There is a very uneasy feeling in parts of Israel that border on the occupied territories and Syria, it isn't talked about but was there a decade ago when I was there, it would only be worse now than it was then. It wasn't a good feeling and you are constantly on guard about everything around you which you should be.

In the other areas it is much more relaxed and you don't have that concern.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

There is a very uneasy feeling in parts of Israel that border on the occupied territories and Syria, it isn't talked about but was there a decade ago when I was there, it would only be worse now than it was then. It wasn't a good feeling and you are constantly on guard about everything around you which you should be.

In the other areas it is much more relaxed and you don't have that concern.

In Iran the two most dangerous things are navigating the ridiculous driving skills on display in Tehran, and taking a photo of the wrong thing in the presence of the Iranian police.

 

[smokingjacket]

Iraq and Saddam had about as much to do with 9-11 attacks as Turnbull had to do with Brexit. There never was a connection with it and the whole war with Iraq was only ever about oil.

Who do people think is bankrolling IS? Notice how attacks in Saudi Arabia have been minimal

The West picked the wrong horse to back when it chose the Saudi's over Iran. Iran is more tolerant, more westernised and more predictable. Just look at the treatment of woman and it tells you a lot. But then selling oil to the USA for $25 a barrel is hard for them not to cover up the Saudi failings.

Some would argue that invading Iraq was a way to correct that historical imbalance and getting some leverage. They US couldn't ditch the Saud's without a new oil rich client state after the Shah was toppled and the Saudi's started biting the hand that feeds.

 

[smokingjacket]

In Iran the two most dangerous things are navigating the ridiculous driving skills on display in Tehran, and taking a photo of the wrong thing in the presence of the Iranian police.

 

[little graham]

Take note of the posters that turned this into an iran/isreal thread.

 

[Northalives]

Iraq and Saddam had about as much to do with 9-11 attacks as Turnbull had to do with Brexit. There never was a connection with it and the whole war with Iraq was only ever about oil.

Who do people think is bankrolling IS? Notice how attacks in Saudi Arabia have been minimal

The West picked the wrong horse to back when it chose the Saudi's over Iran. Iran is more tolerant, more westernised and more predictable. Just look at the treatment of woman and it tells you a lot. But then selling oil to the USA for $25 a barrel is hard for them not to cover up the Saudi failings.

Everything was OK until the bolded bit.

The West did not choose Saudi's over Iran. Saudi Arabia has always been a law onto itself and is ruled by the Saudi Royal Family which has always had the loyalty of the Shammar Tribe and from which the bulk of the elite National Guard is drawn in order to protect the monarchy. It does not entrust military power to citizens who are not members of, or associated with, the royal family so it contracts "advisers" from the USA and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producer and exporter in the world and has the worlds second largest oil reserves, second to Venezuela. (There's a beauty for the conspiracy theorists to sink their teeth into. Maybe the lowering of world oil prices is to bring Venezuela to it's knees; rife for conquest by Uncle Sam.) Not all conspiracy theories are far fetched.

Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly Sunni as is Pakistan where about 80% are Sunni and some 15% of the population being Shiites. In Saudi Arabia, there are no elections, no legislature, no political parties, no uncensored press, no trade unions, no constitution: only the Koran and the Shari'ah, Islamic Law and a close working relationship with the protectors of "democracy", the USA, that is, until last year when Saudi Arabia showed the US just who was boss in signing military hardware contracts for $12billion with the French as a way of showing their displeasure at the US going soft on Iran's Nuclear program.

France by the way, whose GDP growth is stagnant, has a booming arms industry and is now the 4th largest arms exporter in the world behind the USA, Russia and China and 38% of France's arms exports are to the Middle East making it THE most important region for it's arms sales so when France goes off and bombs IS in .... who knows where after the atrocities perpetrated in France, it's more than likely that French made weapons are being used against French made weapons - great for the Arms Industry of France!

Iran, now there is a study in US colonialism via proxy. When the British withdrew from Iran in 1921, the Reza Shah overthrew the the corrupt rule of the Qajar Dynasty. This Reza Khan fella of the Pahlavi Dynasty, then went about confiscating all the estates and enterprises he could get his hands on in the 1920's and 30's. The bulk of the estates were SOLD back to the peasants under the White Revolution, (another one of these bullshit colour revolutions) and this made the son of Reza Khan, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a very, very wealthy man and he ruled Iran with the dreaded SAVAK, the secret police created under the guidance of United States and Israeli intelligence officers in 1957. Amnesty International said of the Shah's regime that it had "the highest rate of death penalties in the world, no valid system of civilian courts and a history of torture that is beyond belief." - another great friend of Americas'.

When the Iranian people overthrew the Shah Pahlavi in 1979, Khomeini returned from exile and formed a new government. Well, that freaked out Uncle Sam and they turned to their puppet, Saddam Hussein to launch a war against Iran in 1980 using all the you-beaut weaponry supplied by the US. This bloody conflict lasted until 1988 when Iran drove Iraq back into Iraqi territory and Khomeini accepted a truce mediated by the United Nations. America, Israel, UK, Iraq got done!

The 11th of September, 2001 (as opposed to the 11th of September, 1973 when the USA sent shabbily disguised fighter aeroplanes to bomb the Presidential Palace in Santiago, Chile and overthrowing the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government to install Margaret Thatcher's and Ronnie Reagan's best friend, the evil General Augusto Pinochet), the 11th of September, 2001 atrocities were the excuse to invade Iraq because Hussein had outgrown his usefulness and sending troops into Afghanistan to develop and control the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline project.

If the USA were really dinkum about eliminating bin Laden and squashing Al-Qaeda, it would have invaded and bombed Pakistan.

The current conflicts in the Middle East and surrounds are not explainable by the simplistic "good guys versus bad guys" guff that is fed to us on a daily basis by the mainstream media. It's a lot more complex and a lot more squalid than Mr. Murdoch and his mates are making it out to be.

Just for reference, the religious affiliations are: Saudi Arabia, overwhelmingly of the Sunni faith. Iran, overwhelmingly Shiite. Iraq was about 50% Shiite and 40% Sunni, who knows now. Pakistan is about 85% Sunni and 15% Shiite. Syria was about 70% Sunni and 15% Alawite Muslims (a more secretive type of Shiite followers of which Bashar al-Assad is one). World about 12% Shiites and the rest Sunni.

It's now generally agreed that ISIS are in the main, Sunni, although there are a lot of young, "lets get the west" types that are going to fight for "justice" with much the same sentiments as those from outside Spain that went to fight in that country's civil war. Many of these young "recruits", don't know much if anything at all about Sunnis or Shiites. All they know is that they are fighting against "oppression"- poor brain washed mongrels who mirror the poor brainwashed mongrels who reckon Muslims are evil.

For a long time, with a skirmish here and there, the balance in the Middle East was holding OK but the 11th of September, 2001 and the war mongers of the US, UK & Australia, changed all that.

The world was ready to come together and for all intents and purposes, wipe out bin Laden and his sympathisers but the Military Industrial Complex ruled the day and the chance of peace disintegrated the moment the brain dead George W Bush declared, "You are either with us or against us.".

With the s**t that's transpired in Turkey, the world is now at war.

 

[_007_]

Everything was OK until the bolded bit.

The West did not choose Saudi's over Iran. Saudi Arabia has always been a law onto itself and is ruled by the Saudi Royal Family which has always had the loyalty of the Shammar Tribe and from which the bulk of the elite National Guard is drawn in order to protect the monarchy. It does not entrust military power to citizens who are not members of, or associated with, the royal family so it contracts "advisers" from the USA and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producer and exporter in the world and has the worlds second largest oil reserves, second to Venezuela. (There's a beauty for the conspiracy theorists to sink their teeth into. Maybe the lowering of world oil prices is to bring Venezuela to it's knees; rife for conquest by Uncle Sam.) Not all conspiracy theories are far fetched.

Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly Sunni as is Pakistan where about 80% are Sunni and some 15% of the population being Shiites. In Saudi Arabia, there are no elections, no legislature, no political parties, no uncensored press, no trade unions, no constitution: only the Koran and the Shari'ah, Islamic Law and a close working relationship with the protectors of "democracy", the USA, that is, until last year when Saudi Arabia showed the US just who was boss in signing military hardware contracts for $12billion with the French as a way of showing their displeasure at the US going soft on Iran's Nuclear program.

France by the way, whose GDP growth is stagnant, has a booming arms industry and is now the 4th largest arms exporter in the world behind the USA, Russia and China and 38% of France's arms exports are to the Middle East making it THE most important region for it's arms sales so when France goes off and bombs IS in .... who knows where after the atrocities perpetrated in France, it's more than likely that French made weapons are being used against French made weapons - great for the Arms Industry of France!

Iran, now there is a study in US colonialism via proxy. When the British withdrew from Iran in 1921, the Reza Shah overthrew the the corrupt rule of the Qajar Dynasty. This Reza Khan fella of the Pahlavi Dynasty, then went about confiscating all the estates and enterprises he could get his hands on in the 1920's and 30's. The bulk of the estates were SOLD back to the peasants under the White Revolution, (another one of these bullshit colour revolutions) and this made the son of Reza Khan, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a very, very wealthy man and he ruled Iran with the dreaded SAVAK, the secret police created under the guidance of United States and Israeli intelligence officers in 1957. Amnesty International said of the Shah's regime that it had "the highest rate of death penalties in the world, no valid system of civilian courts and a history of torture that is beyond belief." - another great friend of Americas'.

When the Iranian people overthrew the Shah Pahlavi in 1979, Khomeini returned from exile and formed a new government. Well, that freaked out Uncle Sam and they turned to their puppet, Saddam Hussein to launch a war against Iran in 1980 using all the you-beaut weaponry supplied by the US. This bloody conflict lasted until 1988 when Iran drove Iraq back into Iraqi territory and Khomeini accepted a truce mediated by the United Nations. America, Israel, UK, Iraq got done!

The 11th of September, 2001 (as opposed to the 11th of September, 1973 when the USA sent shabbily disguised fighter aeroplanes to bomb the Presidential Palace in Santiago, Chile and overthrowing the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government to install Margaret Thatcher's and Ronnie Reagan's best friend, the evil General Augusto Pinochet), the 11th of September, 2001 atrocities were the excuse to invade Iraq because Hussein had outgrown his usefulness and sending troops into Afghanistan to develop and control the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline project.

If the USA were really dinkum about eliminating bin Laden and squashing Al-Qaeda, it would have invaded and bombed Pakistan.

The current conflicts in the Middle East and surrounds are not explainable by the simplistic "good guys versus bad guys" guff that is fed to us on a daily basis by the mainstream media. It's a lot more complex and a lot more squalid than Mr. Murdoch and his mates are making it out to be.

Just for reference, the religious affiliations are: Saudi Arabia, overwhelmingly of the Sunni faith. Iran, overwhelmingly Shiite. Iraq was about 50% Shiite and 40% Sunni, who knows now. Pakistan is about 85% Sunni and 15% Shiite. Syria was about 70% Sunni and 15% Alawite Muslims (a more secretive type of Shiite followers of which Bashar al-Assad is one). World about 12% Shiites and the rest Sunni.

It's now generally agreed that ISIS are in the main, Sunni, although there are a lot of young, "lets get the west" types that are going to fight for "justice" with much the same sentiments as those from outside Spain that went to fight in that country's civil war. Many of these young "recruits", don't know much if anything at all about Sunnis or Shiites. All they know is that they are fighting against "oppression"- poor brain washed mongrels who mirror the poor brainwashed mongrels who reckon Muslims are evil.

For a long time, with a skirmish here and there, the balance in the Middle East was holding OK but the 11th of September, 2001 and the war mongers of the US, UK & Australia, changed all that.

The world was ready to come together and for all intents and purposes, wipe out bin Laden and his sympathisers but the Military Industrial Complex ruled the day and the chance of peace disintegrated the moment the brain dead George W Bush declared, "You are either with us or against us.".

With the s**t that's transpired in Turkey, the world is now at war.

I liked your post and was with you until that last sentence, could you please elaborate? Why is Turkey so important? Why after these events and not the hundreds of others is 'the world at war'?

 

[Northalives]

I liked your post and was with you until that last sentence, could you please elaborate? Why is Turkey so important? Why after these events and not the hundreds of others is 'the world at war'?

Turkey is the most strategic both geographically and geopolitically of the "east v west" divide. It is a buffer between the machinations of the various factions/tribes of the East and Europe.

The race is on now for the control of Turkey. About 3/4 of the population are Sunni and the others are Shiites. It is ultra important for the world that turkey remains as close to a secular state as possible but the writing was on the wall when Erdogan was elected President in 2104.

Although he describes himself as a conservative democrat, his party are sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood and all this attempted coup has done, is to light up the salivating fundamentalists who lurk in the shadows of his party. The military in Turkey is not a "bit" player, it rules the roost so to speak and if anyone gets out of hand politically, the Army does not hesitate to intervene and has done so on a regular basis. What is so different this time, is that it seems that the Military is divided and because if a coup was organised by the military, it would normally mean that it happens: nothing half hearted in Turkey. Turkey is home to a number of NATO and US military bases and if the Military is fractured, that's huge ramifications for stability way beyond the conflict zones now.

If Turkey descends into anything like civil war, then what's been happening sporadically in Europe will escalate and the "East" will be fractured beyond recognition , pulling in the Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran and she's on! It won't be a matter of getting in "UN peacekeepers" like Yugoslavia and being able to "manage" the conflict. Russia will support it's allies, the West will support it's and the rest will carry on butchering each other.

 

[Slax]

Everything was OK until the bolded bit.

The West did not choose Saudi's over Iran. Saudi Arabia has always been a law onto itself and is ruled by the Saudi Royal Family which has always had the loyalty of the Shammar Tribe and from which the bulk of the elite National Guard is drawn in order to protect the monarchy. It does not entrust military power to citizens who are not members of, or associated with, the royal family so it contracts "advisers" from the USA and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producer and exporter in the world and has the worlds second largest oil reserves, second to Venezuela. (There's a beauty for the conspiracy theorists to sink their teeth into. Maybe the lowering of world oil prices is to bring Venezuela to it's knees; rife for conquest by Uncle Sam.) Not all conspiracy theories are far fetched.

Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly Sunni as is Pakistan where about 80% are Sunni and some 15% of the population being Shiites. In Saudi Arabia, there are no elections, no legislature, no political parties, no uncensored press, no trade unions, no constitution: only the Koran and the Shari'ah, Islamic Law and a close working relationship with the protectors of "democracy", the USA, that is, until last year when Saudi Arabia showed the US just who was boss in signing military hardware contracts for $12billion with the French as a way of showing their displeasure at the US going soft on Iran's Nuclear program.

France by the way, whose GDP growth is stagnant, has a booming arms industry and is now the 4th largest arms exporter in the world behind the USA, Russia and China and 38% of France's arms exports are to the Middle East making it THE most important region for it's arms sales so when France goes off and bombs IS in .... who knows where after the atrocities perpetrated in France, it's more than likely that French made weapons are being used against French made weapons - great for the Arms Industry of France!

Iran, now there is a study in US colonialism via proxy. When the British withdrew from Iran in 1921, the Reza Shah overthrew the the corrupt rule of the Qajar Dynasty. This Reza Khan fella of the Pahlavi Dynasty, then went about confiscating all the estates and enterprises he could get his hands on in the 1920's and 30's. The bulk of the estates were SOLD back to the peasants under the White Revolution, (another one of these bullshit colour revolutions) and this made the son of Reza Khan, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a very, very wealthy man and he ruled Iran with the dreaded SAVAK, the secret police created under the guidance of United States and Israeli intelligence officers in 1957. Amnesty International said of the Shah's regime that it had "the highest rate of death penalties in the world, no valid system of civilian courts and a history of torture that is beyond belief." - another great friend of Americas'.

When the Iranian people overthrew the Shah Pahlavi in 1979, Khomeini returned from exile and formed a new government. Well, that freaked out Uncle Sam and they turned to their puppet, Saddam Hussein to launch a war against Iran in 1980 using all the you-beaut weaponry supplied by the US. This bloody conflict lasted until 1988 when Iran drove Iraq back into Iraqi territory and Khomeini accepted a truce mediated by the United Nations. America, Israel, UK, Iraq got done!

The 11th of September, 2001 (as opposed to the 11th of September, 1973 when the USA sent shabbily disguised fighter aeroplanes to bomb the Presidential Palace in Santiago, Chile and overthrowing the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government to install Margaret Thatcher's and Ronnie Reagan's best friend, the evil General Augusto Pinochet), the 11th of September, 2001 atrocities were the excuse to invade Iraq because Hussein had outgrown his usefulness and sending troops into Afghanistan to develop and control the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline project.

If the USA were really dinkum about eliminating bin Laden and squashing Al-Qaeda, it would have invaded and bombed Pakistan.

The current conflicts in the Middle East and surrounds are not explainable by the simplistic "good guys versus bad guys" guff that is fed to us on a daily basis by the mainstream media. It's a lot more complex and a lot more squalid than Mr. Murdoch and his mates are making it out to be.

Just for reference, the religious affiliations are: Saudi Arabia, overwhelmingly of the Sunni faith. Iran, overwhelmingly Shiite. Iraq was about 50% Shiite and 40% Sunni, who knows now. Pakistan is about 85% Sunni and 15% Shiite. Syria was about 70% Sunni and 15% Alawite Muslims (a more secretive type of Shiite followers of which Bashar al-Assad is one). World about 12% Shiites and the rest Sunni.

It's now generally agreed that ISIS are in the main, Sunni, although there are a lot of young, "lets get the west" types that are going to fight for "justice" with much the same sentiments as those from outside Spain that went to fight in that country's civil war. Many of these young "recruits", don't know much if anything at all about Sunnis or Shiites. All they know is that they are fighting against "oppression"- poor brain washed mongrels who mirror the poor brainwashed mongrels who reckon Muslims are evil.

For a long time, with a skirmish here and there, the balance in the Middle East was holding OK but the 11th of September, 2001 and the war mongers of the US, UK & Australia, changed all that.

The world was ready to come together and for all intents and purposes, wipe out bin Laden and his sympathisers but the Military Industrial Complex ruled the day and the chance of peace disintegrated the moment the brain dead George W Bush declared, "You are either with us or against us.".

With the s**t that's transpired in Turkey, the world is now at war.

Given the US efforts over the last 70 years in battle against an organised well armed opponent Pakistan would've been very ugly for them. The US armed forces may be massive, well armed and have huge resources, but their ground troops are very ordinary.

The other problem in attacking Pakistan is they are a nuclear state remember, the USA might do a lot of stupid things but potentially triggering a nuclear war isn't even on their agenda.

I so want to see the USA sued for millions the way they let their citizens sue others. MSF should be first as a result of the Kuduz bombing, be great to see how the US Air Force tries to squirm out of it.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Everything was OK until the bolded bit.

The West did not choose Saudi's over Iran. Saudi Arabia has always been a law onto itself and is ruled by the Saudi Royal Family which has always had the loyalty of the Shammar Tribe and from which the bulk of the elite National Guard is drawn in order to protect the monarchy. It does not entrust military power to citizens who are not members of, or associated with, the royal family so it contracts "advisers" from the USA and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producer and exporter in the world and has the worlds second largest oil reserves, second to Venezuela. (There's a beauty for the conspiracy theorists to sink their teeth into. Maybe the lowering of world oil prices is to bring Venezuela to it's knees; rife for conquest by Uncle Sam.) Not all conspiracy theories are far fetched.

Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly Sunni as is Pakistan where about 80% are Sunni and some 15% of the population being Shiites. In Saudi Arabia, there are no elections, no legislature, no political parties, no uncensored press, no trade unions, no constitution: only the Koran and the Shari'ah, Islamic Law and a close working relationship with the protectors of "democracy", the USA, that is, until last year when Saudi Arabia showed the US just who was boss in signing military hardware contracts for $12billion with the French as a way of showing their displeasure at the US going soft on Iran's Nuclear program.

France by the way, whose GDP growth is stagnant, has a booming arms industry and is now the 4th largest arms exporter in the world behind the USA, Russia and China and 38% of France's arms exports are to the Middle East making it THE most important region for it's arms sales so when France goes off and bombs IS in .... who knows where after the atrocities perpetrated in France, it's more than likely that French made weapons are being used against French made weapons - great for the Arms Industry of France!

Iran, now there is a study in US colonialism via proxy. When the British withdrew from Iran in 1921, the Reza Shah overthrew the the corrupt rule of the Qajar Dynasty. This Reza Khan fella of the Pahlavi Dynasty, then went about confiscating all the estates and enterprises he could get his hands on in the 1920's and 30's. The bulk of the estates were SOLD back to the peasants under the White Revolution, (another one of these bullshit colour revolutions) and this made the son of Reza Khan, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a very, very wealthy man and he ruled Iran with the dreaded SAVAK, the secret police created under the guidance of United States and Israeli intelligence officers in 1957. Amnesty International said of the Shah's regime that it had "the highest rate of death penalties in the world, no valid system of civilian courts and a history of torture that is beyond belief." - another great friend of Americas'.

When the Iranian people overthrew the Shah Pahlavi in 1979, Khomeini returned from exile and formed a new government. Well, that freaked out Uncle Sam and they turned to their puppet, Saddam Hussein to launch a war against Iran in 1980 using all the you-beaut weaponry supplied by the US. This bloody conflict lasted until 1988 when Iran drove Iraq back into Iraqi territory and Khomeini accepted a truce mediated by the United Nations. America, Israel, UK, Iraq got done!

The 11th of September, 2001 (as opposed to the 11th of September, 1973 when the USA sent shabbily disguised fighter aeroplanes to bomb the Presidential Palace in Santiago, Chile and overthrowing the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government to install Margaret Thatcher's and Ronnie Reagan's best friend, the evil General Augusto Pinochet), the 11th of September, 2001 atrocities were the excuse to invade Iraq because Hussein had outgrown his usefulness and sending troops into Afghanistan to develop and control the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline project.

If the USA were really dinkum about eliminating bin Laden and squashing Al-Qaeda, it would have invaded and bombed Pakistan.

The current conflicts in the Middle East and surrounds are not explainable by the simplistic "good guys versus bad guys" guff that is fed to us on a daily basis by the mainstream media. It's a lot more complex and a lot more squalid than Mr. Murdoch and his mates are making it out to be.

Just for reference, the religious affiliations are: Saudi Arabia, overwhelmingly of the Sunni faith. Iran, overwhelmingly Shiite. Iraq was about 50% Shiite and 40% Sunni, who knows now. Pakistan is about 85% Sunni and 15% Shiite. Syria was about 70% Sunni and 15% Alawite Muslims (a more secretive type of Shiite followers of which Bashar al-Assad is one). World about 12% Shiites and the rest Sunni.

It's now generally agreed that ISIS are in the main, Sunni, although there are a lot of young, "lets get the west" types that are going to fight for "justice" with much the same sentiments as those from outside Spain that went to fight in that country's civil war. Many of these young "recruits", don't know much if anything at all about Sunnis or Shiites. All they know is that they are fighting against "oppression"- poor brain washed mongrels who mirror the poor brainwashed mongrels who reckon Muslims are evil.

For a long time, with a skirmish here and there, the balance in the Middle East was holding OK but the 11th of September, 2001 and the war mongers of the US, UK & Australia, changed all that.

The world was ready to come together and for all intents and purposes, wipe out bin Laden and his sympathisers but the Military Industrial Complex ruled the day and the chance of peace disintegrated the moment the brain dead George W Bush declared, "You are either with us or against us.".

With the s**t that's transpired in Turkey, the world is now at war.

Great and comprehensive post.

I would just add that part of the reason Khomeini was so terrifying was because he infused the religious bumpkins and the socialist movement into a common cause, creating an army of "devout revolutionary shi'ite socialists" which sounds like something out of a conservative nightmare. Over time the religious side won out over the socialist side, though they still keep some of their politics.

Like always, the Americans would rather violent religious dictatorships than egalitarian independent socialist governments.

 

[skilts]

Invade! Invade!

 

[Long Live HFC]

a really interesting post, but i had to disagree with this:

the 11th of September, 2001 atrocities were the excuse to...sending troops into Afghanistan to develop and control the Trans-Afghanistan Gas Pipeline project.

the US already had "developmental control" over the pipeline project, when it (and supposedly the ever-present "MiC") bombed afghanistan in retaliation for AQ's embassy attacks in 98. the US corporation building the pipeline, UNOCAL, pulled out shortly afterwards. this pipeline was of such apparent import it was worth starting a decade-long war over, yet the MiC-controlled government were happy to just piss it away in an instant over a few impotent missile strikes?

California energy company Unocal seriously pursued building an Afghanistan pipeline in the 1990s, but back then the theorists, such as this Middle East specialist in 1998, argued that the West was propping up the Taliban in hopes that they would cooperate on building a pipeline. On March 8, 2001, a think-tanker and former CIA analyst noted in a New York Times op-ed that "n 1996, it seemed possible that American-built gas and oil pipelines from Central Asia could run through an Afghanistan ruled by one leader. Cruelty to women aside, we did not condemn the Taliban juggernaut rolling across the country."

The beauty of conspiracy theories is that even the most contradictory evidence can be folded into a new conspiracy theory. For example, after the events of Sept. 11, the pipeline conspiracy theorists spun 180 degrees from …

We're supporting the Taliban so we can build a pipeline while we pretend we don't care about their links to terrorism (and, to a lesser degree, their cruelty to women).

to …

We're bombing the Taliban so we can build a pipeline while we pretend we care about their links to terrorism (and, to a lesser degree, their cruelty to women).

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tangled_web/2001/12/pipe_dreams.html

and then there's the 1999 agreement which had regional resource reserves heading to the west in much shorter time:

ISTANBUL, Turkey — The United States, Turkey and two Caspian Basin nations will announce agreement today on a plan to build a 1,240-mile pipeline that would tap rich oil fields in Central Asia while further weakening Russia's grip on a region once firmly in the Soviet orbit.

The $2.4-billion project would carry up to 1 million barrels of oil a day from Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, through Georgia before finally reaching Ceyhan, a Turkish port on the Mediterranean Sea, where it would be pumped aboard tankers.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/18/news/mn-34849

Oil is set to flow from the Caspian Sea direct to the Mediterranean for the first time after a $3.6bn (£2bn) pipeline opened on Wednesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4577497.stm

Let's recap. America themselves contributed to the killing of the Afghan pipeline project by refusing to recognise the Taliban, and launching a missile attack on bin Ladin. Griffin's own source tells us that they shifted their support to another route that didn't cross Afghanistan, and agreement was achieved to "take forward the construction" of that back in 1999. Why, then, attack Afghanistan after 9/11?

Meanwhile, the oil pipeline that Clinton supported, from the Caspian sea to Ceyhan in Turkey (and so avoiding Afghanistan altogether) is now open...

http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_and_the_afghan_pipeline.html

and the original pipeline? (my emphasis)

KABUL, Afghanistan, April 17, 2006 (ENS) - The deal has been signed, the partners agreed. Within the next two years, Afghan government officials say, construction will begin on a major gas pipeline that will extend from energy rich Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan, and perhaps on to India.

But even before the ink had dried on the mid-February agreement in Ashgabat, analysts were second guessing the deal. Despite the brave face shown by the major players, this latest plan could follow several early versions into oblivion – and for the same reason, that instability in Afghanistan casts doubt over any infrastructure project, especially such a big one.

http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_and_the_afghan_pipeline.html

The pipeline is expected to be operational by 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India_Pipeline

If the USA were really dinkum about eliminating bin Laden and squashing Al-Qaeda, it would have invaded and bombed Pakistan.

im sure we can all agree that AQ wasn't limited by lines on a map such as the afghan/pakistani border, but to exclude afghanistan completely is ridiculous. the taliban had given AQ carte blanche in the regions they controlled. it was the obvious (simplistic and imperfect) target for US retaliation (revenge, let's be honest).