Decriminalisation of drugs... your thoughts?

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Mind-altering substances have been used on this planet by animals since forever... unless of course you believe in the Conservative timeline of the Earth being 6,000 years old and deny evolution altogether?
If that's some attempt at legitimising the use of mind altering substances, you failed miserably.

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If that's some attempt at legitimising the use of mind altering substances, you failed miserably.

BTW I'm an atheist.
Mind altering substances have been apart of the human culture since humans evolved. Not legitimising anything, it's simply a fact.. are you denying this fact?
 

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Mind altering substances have been apart of the human culture since humans evolved. Not legitimising anything, it's simply a fact.. are you denying this fact?
Yeah, but what's your point?

Plenty of bad behaviors have been a part of human culture for centuries. No shit.
 

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Thanks for pointing out that people's reliance on mind altering drugs is the problem in this country, not their legality or if they're tested.
Opiates are (in their legal form) most often used as painkillers. And legality is a fickle thing. The name 'heroin' in itself USED to be a trademark product of the German pharmaceutical company Bayer;

 

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Do you think that drug dealers should be allowed to sell whatever they like, to whomever they like, wherever they like without any penalty?
Jumping in here, but I reckon everything should be quality tested and come with health information, safety warnings and free chewing gum, sold to adults 18+ only

How would that makes drugs safer?
How would that makes drugs use safer?
In the Netherlands, it does make drugs a safer, because there's a national drug database and everyone can get their gear legally checked (even visitors!). So, basically, if you're a dodgy drug dealer, you end up without a market because no one will buy your crappy pingers.

You can read a bit about it here: https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/why-do-they-test-drugs-the-netherlands-and-how-does-it-work/
 

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The question was specifically about a "BAD BATCH"...a bad batch of alcohol or prescription drugs has consequences for the manufacturer, like a bad batch of any other product.

Which is completely different to the issue of bad use.
If you look at the post from Power Raid which I was quoting I highlighted "inherent issues" as I was replying to that, not the bad batch problems.
 

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The current situation is that all Govt's spend hundreds and millions if not billions on enforcing drug laws, as well as jailing users and pushers. It has been an abject failure. Victoria has allowed people to use drugs in a safe area where they are monitored. The police can still arrest them as they are attending this centre, as the carrying of drugs is illegal.
What are the options? Maintain the status quo or do we allow the Govt to produce, sell and tax all drugs. What better way to make sure you have a compliant population. One that will do anything you ask as long as they get their fix.

Never trust politicians and Bureaucrats with this sort of power.
 

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Long but probably the most factual compassionate common sense discussion I have ever heard on drug addiction and the complete farce that is the "war on drugs". Some fascinating eye opening information on the birth of the war on drugs. Awesome listening.

 

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'Rarely successful': NSW coroner urges drug policy rethink after opioid inquest

A state coroner has recommended a complete reframing of drug policy in New South Wales and says the government should consider decriminalising drug use.


On Friday the deputy state coroner, Harriet Grahame, released findings from an inquest held into opioid-related deaths. The special inquest examined the deaths of six people from opioids in May 2016.


Grahame recommended the government hold a drug summit, bringing together health, addiction, drug law reform and law enforcement experts focused on “minimising harm to users, their families and the community”.


Most significantly, she said the summit should give “full and genuine consideration” to ways of reducing drug overdoses in NSW, including “decriminalising personal use of drugs, as a mechanism to reduce the harm caused by drug use”.





https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rethink-after-opioid-inquest?CMP=share_btn_tw
 

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'Rarely successful': NSW coroner urges drug policy rethink after opioid inquest

A state coroner has recommended a complete reframing of drug policy in New South Wales and says the government should consider decriminalising drug use.


On Friday the deputy state coroner, Harriet Grahame, released findings from an inquest held into opioid-related deaths. The special inquest examined the deaths of six people from opioids in May 2016.


Grahame recommended the government hold a drug summit, bringing together health, addiction, drug law reform and law enforcement experts focused on “minimising harm to users, their families and the community”.


Most significantly, she said the summit should give “full and genuine consideration” to ways of reducing drug overdoses in NSW, including “decriminalising personal use of drugs, as a mechanism to reduce the harm caused by drug use”.




https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rethink-after-opioid-inquest?CMP=share_btn_tw

Im pretty sure Portugal have good success with legalising drugs etc .
 

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Im pretty sure Portugal have good success with legalising drugs etc .
Yes, by decriminalising, Portugal has been able to address lots of social issues.

Do note, that decriminalisation should not be conflated with legalisation. They're two separate notions and most people are going to see decriminalisation and throw a hissy fit because they don't want a free-reign for drugs, when in reality that's not the case at all.
 

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Im pretty sure Portugal have good success with legalising drugs etc .
I'm pretty sure Portugal's history and culture is absolutely nothing like ours and largely irrelevant to the conversation.
In addition to this, their results are nothing outstanding overall compared to the rest of Europe.
 
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