Decriminalisation of drugs... your thoughts?

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Punishments for drug trafficking will remain harsh

In fact, the decriminalisation movement is already well underway with the support of cabinet and even the Prime Minister, according to Law Minister Liew Vui Keong, who has assumed a starkly progressive position by Malaysia's former standards.
"[Drug users] don't need imprisonment, they need medical treatment," he said.
He points to the nation's overcrowded prisons, where 56 per cent of inmates are locked up for drug related offences, the vast majority of whom will reoffend upon their release.

"In our research we found out about 90 per cent of them will go back to prison because they are not finding it easy to get accepted by society," he said.
"They have not got jobs so they will have that tendency to repeat the offences."

Malaysia's penalties for drug possession are among the world's most severe. Possession of 200g of cannabis, 1kg of opium, 40g of cocaine or 15g of heroin or morphine can lead to a drug trafficking charge. A conviction carries the death penalty.
 

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So, hypothetically, if drugs are decriminalised. What age should we allow people to start buying/using them? 16, 18, 25? And why?
Given the age is 18 for the purchase of legalised recreational drugs (alcohol and tobacco), that sounds like a sensible place to start.
 

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Not worried about the impact on the development of the prefrontal cortex in to the mid 20s?
Alcohol consumption can have massively negative effects on the development of the prefrontal context. Yet we allow consumption of alcohol from the age of 18.


As a society, we've arrived at the conclusion that as adults we are responsible enough to understand the risks of drinking alcohol. We are considered an adult at the age of 18. Why should other drugs not be considered in the same way?

I'm not advocating people go out and take whatever's out there. I've had a number of friends drop dead from heroin overdoses. But criminalising drug abuse didn't help them and IMHO it hasn't helped any addict. I'd rather drug users get their fix from a legal source rather than having it sourced from criminals. Better a doctor prescribe it and try and get them off it than buy it from a drug dealer who wants to keep them on it.
 

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Maybe we need to rethink our stance on alcohol as well, considering how much harm it causes.
Not sure I'd trust doctors to dish out drugs considering the problems that exist currently with opioids.
 

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Maybe we need to rethink our stance on alcohol as well, considering how much harm it causes.
Not sure I'd trust doctors to dish out drugs considering the problems that exist currently with opioids.
If we need a re-think on alcohol, and doctors can't be trusted handing out medicine, at what point do we just ban everything? You do realise the most addictive and destructive substance to humans is refined sugar... by your logic, we need a royal commission into Krispy Kremes.
 

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If we need a re-think on alcohol, and doctors can't be trusted handing out medicine, at what point do we just ban everything? You do realise the most addictive and destructive substance to humans is refined sugar... by your logic, we need a royal commission into Krispy Kremes.
Yeah, we should probably look in to all those sugar related car accidents, assaults, thefts and suicides.
 

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Yeah, we should probably look in to all those sugar related car accidents, assaults, thefts and suicides.
How about all those sugar related cases of obesity, heart disease, diabetes...?

Just because those don't have the same drama as criminal acts is not to say that they don't have a massive, avoidable, impact on society.
 

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How about all those sugar related cases of obesity, heart disease, diabetes...?

Just because those don't have the same drama as criminal acts is not to say that they don't have a massive, avoidable, impact on society.
Yep, completely agree. I'd love it if there was a government that would take the big food companies to task.
While we're on massive, avoidable impacts in society, tech companies are causing just as much damage. Sitting is the new smoking after all.
But then, I guess you have to weigh up people's right to choose what they eat and do in their leisure time.
 

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If we need a re-think on alcohol, and doctors can't be trusted handing out medicine, at what point do we just ban everything? You do realise the most addictive and destructive substance to humans is refined sugar... by your logic, we need a royal commission into Krispy Kremes.
I dare say we will have far stricter rules on food ingredients and sugar in the future.

In France you can’t call something bread unless it is made from flour, water, yeast and salt.

Perhaps following frances lead, we wouldn’t have addictive substances in staple food like bread.

I can see similar reviews, better labelling and product placement. Ie think of how many non milk cartons are placed alongside real milk.
 

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This is interesting, as it's unconstitutional (violation of federal-international treaties).

I'll wait and see if it gets challenged.

Australia's Capital Just Legalised Recreational Marijuana in Defiance of Federal Laws

September 26, 2019

After months of debate, the Australian Capital Territory has become the very first jurisdiction in the nation to pass a law allowing the recreational use of marijuana.Starting sometime in the new year, adults living in Australia's capital city Canberra and its surrounding territory will be allowed to personally possess and grow small amounts of cannabis.

The bill, which was passed this week and will likely take effect on 31 January 2020, would specifically allow two cannabis plants to be grown per adult with a maximum of four plants per household. What's more, under this new law, each adult would be allowed to possess up to 50 grams of marijuana on their person."The passage of this legislation is an Australian first," said Labour party lawmaker Michael Pettersson, according to The New York Times.
"It will work to reduce the harm of drugs in our community by reducing the stigma of drug use and encouraging people to seek help without fear of arrest."

Marijuana is Australia's most popular illicit drug, and while it is still illegal at a federal level, each state or territory in the nation treats it in a slightly different way.

Under the ACT's current law, possession of 50 grams would land you a possible AU$160 fine, and any more could set you back AU$8,000 or two years in prison. Maybe even both. Of course, there are still plenty of limitations for marijuana use in the new bill. Strict measures are in place, for instance, to make sure that the drug cannot consumed in public or anywhere near children. The cannabis plant also cannot be grown in public, and when the buds are finally cultivated they must be stored away from children.A review of the bill from the Australian Medical Association acknowledges that cannabis use can "lead to adverse chronic health outcomes" but that "the risk of these outcomes are low and those who use cannabis occasionally are unlikely to be affected."
 

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Ask the tax paying residents of Seattle what they think of the decriminalization of drugs.

Ah yes nothing like an ACA style hard hitting “report” to really flesh out the nuances of the issue, lol.

 

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