Decriminalisation of drugs... your thoughts?

[M Malice]

Multiple threads already on this.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Phase 1 clinical trials for psilocybin show no adverse effects

A team of researchers from King's College London and mental healthcare company Compass Pathways has released the results of a Phase 1 clinical trial for the drug psilocybin. In addition to announcing the results at the annual meeting of the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology, team...

medicalxpress.com

 

[Snake_Baker]

No ****ing kidding?!

Study: Ecstasy could be far less dangerous than past research suggests

A new paper suggests past research on MDMA often overestimated the dangers of the drug because the studies examined heavy users, not average ones.

bigthink.com

 

[Snake_Baker]

No, A Study Didn’t Say Cannabis Impairs Driving Once You’re Sober

Media reactions to a small, rather complicated study show how easily a rush to give answers can cloud the truth or cause stigma for millions.

www.forbes.com

 

[Taylor]

People should be free to put whatever and whoever they want in their bodies.

The issue is that our society has a safety net expectation, so if during the course of living your freedom you get in trouble and need social support then everyone else is paying for your recreation which I don't think is appropriate.

You should be free to do what you want, but your right to that is paired with your responsibility to handle your business.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

People should be free to put whatever and whoever they want in their bodies.

The issue is that our society has a safety net expectation, so if during the course of living your freedom you get in trouble and need social support then everyone else is paying for your recreation which I don't think is appropriate.

You should be free to do what you want, but your right to that is paired with your responsibility to handle your business.

Sounds like your first sentence is a lie.

 

[Taylor]

Sounds like your first sentence is a lie.

Because rights have responsibility attached?

Or are you doing your usual projection of opinions onto me?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

"Drug use should be optional... but if you can't afford your own public hospital, * you"

 

[Taylor]

"Drug use should be optional... but if you can't afford your own public hospital, fu** you"

You have the right to do what you want, you don't have the right for society to provide for you to do it.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

You know who can't afford their own personal hospital? Nearly everyone. So you saying people should be "free" to use drugs is a lie. Taylor insincere for the umpteenth time.

 

[Taylor]

You know who can't afford their own personal hospital? Nearly everyone. So you saying people should be "free" to use drugs is a lie. Taylor insincere for the umpteenth time.

You have a right to do what you want, but you have the responsibly to not put your own hedonism ahead of everyone else.

Society doesn't have a responsibility to provide for your leisure. You don't have a right to be supported while you chase an escape.

There are plenty of people who are able to financially support a drug habit and not have it impact their life.

 

[Taylor]

You can tell when people are taking society for granted when they think their rights are infringed if society doesn't pick up the slack for them.

Grow up.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Now in an attempt to look like less of a prick you're conflating hospitals with buying the drugs.

 

[Taylor]

Now in an attempt to look like less of a prick you're conflating hospitals with buying the drugs.

It's also welfare.

You don't have a right to mooch off the nation as it provides you a living, drug money and health care if something goes wrong.

If you can afford to not derail your life by using drugs then you should be able to.

But we don't live in that society, there is no cutting anyone off in our system. You'd have to move well away from the cities to escape services coming for you.

Maybe you don't have a right to drugs. You have a right to take them if you want and can get them and can take them without causing problems.

 

[Lethality]

Similar story with vaping, it's just the unregulated stuff that's dangerous.

 

[ferball]

You have the right to do what you want, you don't have the right for society to provide for you to do it.

There is a significant proportion of drug use that is self medication for a variety of conditions.

It's usually the worst drugs (ie the least actual fun, and often the most addictive) that end up being used by addicts to self medicate.

So actually in a very real way some of what you call hedonism is a very real result of society failing to provide almost exactly the same thing (medical treatment and some forms of welfare) in the first place that you are saying shouldn't be provided.

 

[Taylor]

There is a significant proportion of drug use that is self medication for a variety of conditions.

It's usually the worst drugs (ie the least actual fun, and often the most addictive) that end up being used by addicts to self medicate.

So actually in a very real way some of what you call hedonism is a very real result of society failing to provide almost exactly the same thing (medical treatment and some forms of welfare) in the first place that you are saying shouldn't be provided.

There is a significant gap in our medial coverage for involuntary addict treatment, but what can be done about that that is fair?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

People should be free to put whatever and whoever they want in their bodies.

The issue is that our society has a safety net expectation, so if during the course of living your freedom you get in trouble and need social support then everyone else is paying for your recreation which I don't think is appropriate.

You should be free to do what you want, but your right to that is paired with your responsibility to handle your business.

As a taxpayer, I'm happy to pay for it. Do you even pay tax?

 

[ferball]

There is a significant gap in our medial coverage for involuntary addict treatment, but what can be done about that that is fair?

Give junkies free heroin in return for counselling?

That might work.

Heroin is cheap to make and comes from Tassie,so the money spent on it would stay in our economy instead of eventually trickling offshore into the Bush crime family's accounts. Most junkies would rather have a life, and once they get one they'll be capable of leading them productive and effective lee.

If you wanted to actually count the beans then some sort of hecs fee thing could pay for it.


Obviously the details are more complex than that but there is a puritanical streak driving public policy. IMO it comes from the secret Christian fear that if god hears us laughing she (it or he or they ... whatever) will smite us down instead of the fundamental Christian idea that compassion for the less fortunate is what Jesus would show.

So it'll never happen.

 

[Deliverance]

You have a right to do what you want, but you have the responsibly to not put your own hedonism ahead of everyone else.

Society doesn't have a responsibility to provide for your leisure. You don't have a right to be supported while you chase an escape.

There are plenty of people who are able to financially support a drug habit and not have it impact their life.

So, people who get injured playing sports shouldn't get free medical treatment?

 

[Taylor]

So, people who get injured playing sports shouldn't get free medical treatment?

Didn't say that.

We're talking about a negotiation to bring in more risky, self oriented behavior and what would be required to make that fair.

 

[Deliverance]

Didn't say that.

We're talking about a negotiation to bring in more risky, self oriented behavior and what would be required to make that fair.

I'd say playing local footy is a pretty risky self oriented behaviour.

 

[Taylor]

I'd say playing local footy is a pretty risky self oriented behaviour.

Football teams are hubs of the local community. Generational links to the local community too.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Personal drug use for a voting age adult is a libertarian right.

The pro's & con's don't even enter in to it.

 

[Deliverance]

Football teams are hubs of the local community. Generational links to the local community too.

Doesn't change the fact that playing sports is an individual choice with potential for harm. So should that individual be able to access public health if injured in the pursuit of their individual hobby?