It looks like Harmes was given the POV cam by the media dept to capture the post match footage for the all important social media posts. His enthusiasm coupled with media **** Brayshaws desperation to be visible, and social distancing confusion caused the false start to the club song. Highlights where priorities may lie for some. Poor effort.
Review Dees v Big Jack's Hacks: the Good, Bad & Chernobyl
- Thread starter Biffinator
- Start date
- Tagged users None
Gysberts2Bate
Brownlow Medallist
10k Posts
Melbourne Demons - Jake Lever Player Sponsor 2018
Melbourne Demons - Katherine Smith AFLW Player Sponsor 2018
A Star Wars Fan
Melbourne Board Poster of the Year - Past Winner
Melbourne Demons - Jeremy Howe Player Sponsor 2015
Melbourne Demons - Dom Barry Sponsor 2014
Melbourne Demons - Jeremy Howe Sponsor 2014
If there's a positive from yesterday it's that it should keep us out of prime time when the fixture is extended in a week or two, can only imagine the humiliation if we'd played like we did yesterday on a Thursday.
A11dAtP0w3R
Dumpster Fire Diver
- Oct 18, 2013
- 89,480
- 125,929
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Carolina Panthers
Unless it's the casting couch, I have zero interest in any POV cameras.
Bluelegs
Celebrating what we're good at
I wouldn't mind an ugly win like yesterday if we had any recent form, but since this was our first win of the season against one of the worst sides in the modern era it does make it feel very meh. Please Melbourne, do something to get me excited over the next couple of weeks so I can feel hopeful again.
- May 8, 2006
- 5,038
- 4,559
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
If I was lacking motivation to follow this season before this round, its now well and truly confirmed. Play as many kids as possible and try to yield something from this farcical season.
Topkent
Confirmed ITK Drafting King
Theres ugly wins and then there is being outplayed for basically 3 quarters by a s**t team. We have 53 inside midfielders and one of the best rucks in the comp and we got smashed in the middle aswell.
- May 3, 2014
- 1,745
- 3,528
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
Saw it on the replay. Gawn, Hunt, Langdon & Tomlinson arrived just as they finished the song.
- Oct 19, 2013
- 1,785
- 2,762
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
We have no plan B and the game plan only works when the opposition is inept.
The players have no idea what to do when things aren't working. I think Goodwin actually just kept saying do the same thing and it will be like the 1st quarter.
Play man on man for quarter, throw Harmes in the guts, do something. Not only is the overall philosophy of the game plan is flawed but the lack of in game adaptability and basically no tactics is pretty clear out there.
The players have no idea what to do when things aren't working. I think Goodwin actually just kept saying do the same thing and it will be like the 1st quarter.
Play man on man for quarter, throw Harmes in the guts, do something. Not only is the overall philosophy of the game plan is flawed but the lack of in game adaptability and basically no tactics is pretty clear out there.
- Aug 2, 2009
- 1,105
- 1,659
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
I know may shanked a few kick ins but we're so bad at providing options in that situation. Other teams try to create pockets of space for players to lead into to get an uncontested mark. Our entire strategy is everyone stand still, then bomb down the line to Gawn.
- Oct 15, 2015
- 941
- 1,077
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
Yeah. Our strategy to kick out of the back line was obviously thought up by the same guy who devised our strategy for kicking into the forward line.
I just think goody is too soft, too much of a 'nice guy' to get 22 alpha males to stand to attention. the club song sans a few players was extremely embarrassing and (to me anyway) shows a team that isn't tight-knit.
Because it won us the game! Sometimes a good quarter of footy is all you need to win. We did enough early to win. Let's move on..
HANDSOLO
Club Legend
- May 19, 2014
- 1,508
- 1,776
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Broncos
well as I said, I only watched half the highlights
its hard to totally disentangle the two which is I think the point you are trying to make.
we clearly have a stunning lack of on field leadership and belief that would make it easy to choke - I’ve said that quite a bit and was always one of my criticisms of Jones. In quarter adjustments and so on probably belong to on fieldleadership
I think players from the Neeld era have a mental fragility that will never be corrected
BUT a coach as a leader and manager is supposed to asses the capacity of the team in terms of talent, and drive and give them tasks and vary the degree of freedom and management attention accordingly (eg motovated and good, just set the boundary conditions, inexperienced then more prescriptive).Goodwin, along with a complete lack of ditectuin and gameplan has not been able to acheive this.
I manage teams of 10-15 people in pretty high pressure environment, and I form them anew every 3-9 months. You always start of with a game plan and need to adjust, and you need to adjust people’s roles for their strengths, experience And motivation as you go through it.
The worst managers set a plan and execute it bloody mindlely - burning the team, usually delivering the wrong or sub standard results and demotivating everyone. This is why some managers and coaches get a good result from seemingly mid level teams, and some managers waste seemingly strong teams
Goodwin for me definitely is a poor manager
make sense?
A11dAtP0w3R
Dumpster Fire Diver
- Oct 18, 2013
- 89,480
- 125,929
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Carolina Panthers
Gerrard and Gaz were so spot on, the only ones willing to call a spade a spade, 2018 was an aberration...
Agree with those who say Goodwin is too busy trying to be mates with all the players. Reckon the playing group love him and he is too afraid to put them offside by being hard on them. Messaging out of the club has been poor since final siren yesterday, haven’t seen anyone acknowledge we played like s**t and need to lift the bar dramatically to go anywhere in 2020.
I still think he’s best 22 and will be solid for us but he’s basically ANB except he can regularly get 25+ disposals.
I still think he’s best 22 and will be solid for us but he’s basically ANB except he can regularly get 25+ disposals.
- Aug 30, 2007
- 9,004
- 6,155
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Warney's IPL team!
well as I said, I only watched half the highlights
its hard to totally disentangle the two which is I think the point you are trying to make.
we clearly have a stunning lack of on field leadership and belief that would make it easy to choke - I’ve said that quite a bit and was always one of my criticisms of Jones. In quarter adjustments and so on probably belong to on fieldleadership
I think players from the Neeld era have a mental fragility that will never be corrected
BUT a coach as a leader and manager is supposed to asses the capacity of the team in terms of talent, and drive and give them tasks and vary the degree of freedom and management attention accordingly (eg motovated and good, just set the boundary conditions, inexperienced then more prescriptive).Goodwin, along with a complete lack of ditectuin and gameplan has not been able to acheive this.
I manage teams of 10-15 people in pretty high pressure environment, and I form them anew every 3-9 months. You always start of with a game plan and need to adjust, and you need to adjust people’s roles for their strengths, experience And motivation as you go through it.
The worst managers set a plan and execute it bloody mindlely - burning the team, usually delivering the wrong or sub standard results and demotivating everyone. This is why some managers and coaches get a good result from seemingly mid level teams, and some managers waste seemingly strong teams
Goodwin for me definitely is a poor manager
make sense?
Yeah all good points, still think the players in your view are getting it easy. Coach can make changes but the players need to own it.
Who is left from the Neeld era, Gawn Jetta and Jones? All better themselves after Neeld left. But there seems to be something intrinsically engraned in the club to be continually be satisfied with mediocre results.
I managed a team of of similar numbers to you, but football is a different beast. I coach my own local footy side as well - it’s not easy making changes mid quarter to drastically change the corse of a game. Something you rely heavily on your leaders.
But I think we agree leadership from the coach and the players on field are not great and is probably why we continue to be an average football team.
Proper Gander
Owl whisperer and secret agent
Yes that was an oddity that I never got to the bottom of
You weren’t the only one
A11dAtP0w3R
Dumpster Fire Diver
- Oct 18, 2013
- 89,480
- 125,929
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Carolina Panthers
What's funny is you're easily able to use one of Goody's catch phrase against him after that slop yesterday "we want to play a brand our supporters can identify and be proud of"....* off mate. I've been prouder of some 10 goal losses more than that win, not to the mention i was bored out of my mind for 3/4s of the game.
But because it was a win, that s**t game style and brand won't get a mention will it? Shut up and take your win peasant supporter.
But because it was a win, that s**t game style and brand won't get a mention will it? Shut up and take your win peasant supporter.
agree. While ANB had me somewhat consider if I should begin thinking about eating my hatred/words 5 minutes into the first, the rest of the game reassured me that my stance that we never ever win a prelim with the likes of ANB in the best 22 remains spot on.
I thought Ed provided much more liveliness and movement than ANB ever does last night. He may butcher the ball, but I’d almost take that over ANB who might hit the occasional silky pass, but as soon as any pressure is on, he goes to water.
Has he ever kicked a critical goal? Because I can list at least 10 critical mosses he’s had in the past few years..
To be honest, I was dearp down hoping Carlton would hit the front when they had their set shots. Both from the point of view that I thought it was our only chance to get motivated to fight back, but also to see if we have any heart and fight back. Shattered we didn’t get to find out.
Instead we got gifted a win by, what, 4 easy misses by Carlton in the last 10mins? I maintain that while we were gifted 4 points, Carlton effectively won that game.
By that I mean, clearly neither team is playing finals, so considering that, they got much more out of that game than we did.
But in saying that, we were running around like we had won a final against good opposition after the game, from Gawns “a win is a win and we’ll take it“ to belting out the song without a fifth of the team and Goodwin taking so many positives out of it.
Take all the positives out of it mate, but when speaking to the media, please don’t blow smoke up the arses of these clowns.
And I stand by my assertion that the bloke must be going through a breakdown or something with regards to his always teary, emotional eyes and lack of expression during quarters..
Instead we got gifted a win by, what, 4 easy misses by Carlton in the last 10mins? I maintain that while we were gifted 4 points, Carlton effectively won that game.
By that I mean, clearly neither team is playing finals, so considering that, they got much more out of that game than we did.
But in saying that, we were running around like we had won a final against good opposition after the game, from Gawns “a win is a win and we’ll take it“ to belting out the song without a fifth of the team and Goodwin taking so many positives out of it.
Take all the positives out of it mate, but when speaking to the media, please don’t blow smoke up the arses of these clowns.
And I stand by my assertion that the bloke must be going through a breakdown or something with regards to his always teary, emotional eyes and lack of expression during quarters..
Yesterdays match just reminded me of how much a toll supporting Melbourne takes on your mental health, definitely the most angry and stressed I've felt over the last two months during these covid restrictions, and during that time I've dealt with potential job loss.
There's definitely a disconnect between the players and coaches and the emotions of supporters, but that's not exclusive of us as a club, just makes you think.
Go dees.
There's definitely a disconnect between the players and coaches and the emotions of supporters, but that's not exclusive of us as a club, just makes you think.
Go dees.
- Jun 14, 2015
- 17,765
- 38,760
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Port Adelaide Power
Well he's nailed that part.
