Review Dees v Bombers: the Good, the Bad and the Fugly

[NorthcoteDee]

FWIW, I don’t think it’s quite as shit as getting pumped by Sydney in 1993 when they’d lost about 1100 in row and were on the verge of receivership.

It was actually 26 games in a row.

Come on Redlegs ... pull your socks up!!

 

[Crusty Demon]

Like others have said, the most disappointing thing is that it was so predictable. We got the media and fans back onboard with us and then we dish up this. Most of us could see it coming from a mile away.

Good

Nothing really. Maybe Max and Koz yet again the 2 that stood out. And being 3-2 we would have taken. 3-3 after next week but this game was a huge step back and kick in the guts.

Bad

King got out coached. Just let them play keepings off and allowed their running backs far too much time and space. Roberts 42 touches and 15 marks lol. We allowed that to just happen. 100 less uncontested possessions. Wtf

Latrelle. Just doesn't do enough. Not working hard enough defensively and gets f* all of the ball. Off to Casey.

JVR. Awful since Round 1. Kentfield in please.

Culley. Isn't doing near enough. Still waiting for that preseason form we all heard about.

Tmac. He's cooked.

Ugly

Lack of effort across the ground. Pathetic. Defensive efforts and running was deplorable. Free Bombers players everywhere.

Losing to that rabble again. Brad Scott owns our club.

Tholstrup. Nearly had me convinced he could be a hslf decent role player. Nah, he's just s***.

Windsor. F* lift you campaigner. 7 disposals!!

Lions will destroy us next week.

 

[Johnny Karate]

I was expecting some posts about how despite the media narrative they’re not that bad and that we won’t be the only team they surprise this year.

”Good luck for the rest of the season guys and hope to see you on Wildcard Weekend”

 

[Keith Knox]

Kingy talked about how lethargic the players were and how they weren't sharp, which he said has happened a bit, so I once again bring up that we insist on doing main training, captain's run, and then game all 3 days in a row. IMO something we should have a look at.

He did say they will look at the preparation, and it's the staff's job to get that right. He also said there's still a few young guys who don't quite know yet how to prepare as a real professional, which was interesting.

 

[Keith Knox]

All I said was relax because it was 4 minutes in, bet you weren't saying that when we kicked 20 clear in the third.
I'm not even sure I still agree it's bathwater drinking, that would imply we're way better than Essendon when if you look at the actual team we put out, we aren't. Apart from Pickett and Gawn you could go through both teams and picked a fairly mixed combined 22

I think ultimately this it in a nutshell. If you take away the narratives and just look at the teams, there's not much between them. Which isn't to say it's all doom and gloom, but we've got some glaring holes and a bunch of young kids who we don't know what they're going to be yet (except for Tholstrup).

 

[omit]

Kozzie is getting off easy in this thread. His disposal hasn't been great this year but yesterday was ****ing awful. 28 touches for 10 turnovers with 48% disposal efficiency. The 2nd lowest on the entire field. It's easy to blame the regular spuds, but they played about as well as they always play. We rely heavily on Pickett and his disposal absolutely killed us

 

[schmuttt]

He's copped a bit already but actually what is Tholstrup. Sorry being asked to tag in your 3rd season is basically the coach admitting you suck and boy does he suck. Feels like a massive case of ' he was a high pick so let's see if he can play anywhere' job at the moment because I can't see any AFL traits. As average as I think Lindsay and Windsor are they have some qualities, Tholstrup is Jordan 2.0 but worse.

To be fair to Jordan he regularly gets a game in a much better side than ours. I like Tholstrup for his intangibles but agree there isn't much obvious talent.

 

[Topkent]

Kozzie is getting off easy in this thread. His disposal hasn't been great this year but yesterday was ****ing awful. 28 touches for 10 turnovers with 48% disposal efficiency. The 2nd lowest on the entire field. It's easy to blame the regular spuds, but they played about as well as they always play. We rely heavily on Pickett and his disposal absolutely killed us

Haha yeah this ain't it. There's contrarion and there's whatever this is.

 

[Charlie_s123]

As soon as I heard Tholstrup being touted as a potential 'cult player' I had a bad feeling. Like personality is great and everything, but you have no elite attributes it's not enough to earn you a spot in a successful footy side.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Kozzie is getting off easy in this thread. His disposal hasn't been great this year but yesterday was ****ing awful. 28 touches for 10 turnovers with 48% disposal efficiency. The 2nd lowest on the entire field. It's easy to blame the regular spuds, but they played about as well as they always play. We rely heavily on Pickett and his disposal absolutely killed us

Kozzie was the only one with any dare and run. Yeah his disposal was terrible at times, but 21 pressure acts and 8 tackles suggest he was one of the only blokes working hard defensively as well. 2 goals as well as over 600m gained, i thought he was easily our best.

 

[Daemon]

Kozzie was the only one with any dare and run. Yeah his disposal was terrible at times, but 21 pressure acts and 8 tackles suggest he was one of the only blokes working hard defensively as well. 2 goals as well as over 600m gained, i thought he was easily our best.

I concur. He was trying to make things happen all the time.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Koz is an odd choice for a whipping boy

Only bloke that played with any intent and tried to make things happen

 

[Lord Nev]

Kozzie is getting off easy in this thread. His disposal hasn't been great this year but yesterday was ****ing awful. 28 touches for 10 turnovers with 48% disposal efficiency. The 2nd lowest on the entire field. It's easy to blame the regular spuds, but they played about as well as they always play. We rely heavily on Pickett and his disposal absolutely killed us

Kozzy for us is currently:
#1 for retained metres gained.
#1 for metres gained by foot.
#1 for ball use equity.

Big picture - Yeah he has some turnovers, but the good vastly outweighs the bad in terms of useful disposals atm.

 

[Topkent]

omit I'll happily continue this here, you said if a first or second year player played like that you'd let them off but not Koz, ain't no first or second year players coming close to touching that game for us.
His turnovers came from trying to hit targets and create scores, for every turnover of his he created a goal or an awesome passage of play with another.

No one else did that.

 

[Charlie_s123]

Koz is an odd choice for a whipping boy

Only bloke that played with any intent and tried to make things happen

He basically tried to single handedly get us going like he did against Carlton. Can’t expect him to be able to do it in his own every time.

 

[omit]

Kozzie was the only one with any dare and run. Yeah his disposal was terrible at times, but 21 pressure acts and 8 tackles suggest he was one of the only blokes working hard defensively as well. 2 goals as well as over 600m gained, i thought he was easily our best.

I don't disagree that he tried and worked hard. So I don't think he was the only one putting in defensive work. Sparrow 24 pressure acts and 6 Tackles, Steele 21 and 5, Windsor 20 and 3. I think pressure act numbers are always going to be high for midfielders, especially when the opposition dominates possession. Gawns 6 pressure acts to Wrights 12 is particularly damning

Meters gained hard to properly analyse because the AFL website doesn't define it anywhere. Is it raw, effective or net meters gained?

I want to see the retained meters gained for Pickett. Wheelo does seem to track it, you can see the season average for players, but I can't find it for individual games.

 

[Lord Nev]

I don't disagree that he tried and worked hard. So I don't think he was the only one putting in defensive work. Sparrow 24 pressure acts and 6 Tackles, Steele 21 and 5, Windsor 20 and 3. I think pressure act numbers are always going to be high for midfielders, especially when the opposition dominates possession. Gawns 6 pressure acts to Wrights 12 is particularly damning

Meters gained hard to properly analyse because the AFL website doesn't define it anywhere. Is it raw, effective or net meters gained?

I want to see the retained meters gained for Pickett. Wheelo does seem to track it, you can see the season average for players, but I can't find it for individual games.

Kozzy for us is currently:
#1 for retained metres gained.
#1 for metres gained by foot.
#1 for ball use equity.

Big picture - Yeah he has some turnovers, but the good vastly outweighs the bad in terms of useful disposals atm.

As for the Essendon game, Kozzy was the 3rd best on ground for Wheelo's ball use metric.

 

[omit]

Kozzy for us is currently:
#1 for retained metres gained.
#1 for metres gained by foot.
#1 for ball use equity.

Big picture - Yeah he has some turnovers, but the good vastly outweighs the bad in terms of useful disposals atm.

Yes he's been one of, if not our best player this year. But specifically against Essendon yesterday he was far more bad than good

 

[Topkent]

I don't disagree that he tried and worked hard. So I don't think he was the only one putting in defensive work. Sparrow 24 pressure acts and 6 Tackles, Steele 21 and 5, Windsor 20 and 3. I think pressure act numbers are always going to be high for midfielders, especially when the opposition dominates possession. Gawns 6 pressure acts to Wrights 12 is particularly damning

Meters gained hard to properly analyse because the AFL website doesn't define it anywhere. Is it raw, effective or net meters gained?

I want to see the retained meters gained for Pickett. Wheelo does seem to track it, you can see the season average for players, but I can't find it for individual games.

Or you could just watch the game and see Pickett was our best. ****ing paralysis by analysis in here

 

[Lord Nev]

Yes he's been one of, if not our best player this year. But specifically against Essendon yesterday he was far more bad than good

See above mate. 3rd best on ground as per the ball use metric. So completely disagree.

 

[danster168]

Koz is an odd choice for a whipping boy

Only bloke that played with any intent and tried to make things happen

yeah, I'm more forgiving with a guy who offers so much elsewhere but his foot skills have been deplorable this year. He doesn't do the basics well. He does the exceptional really well so we all look the other way. If there was a stat for grub kicks that hit the ground 5m at the feet of his teammate, he'd be leading the league. But he's a jet so whatever but I think we can still acknowledge the flaws in his game.

 

[danster168]

I don't disagree that he tried and worked hard. So I don't think he was the only one putting in defensive work. Sparrow 24 pressure acts and 6 Tackles, Steele 21 and 5, Windsor 20 and 3. I think pressure act numbers are always going to be high for midfielders, especially when the opposition dominates possession. Gawns 6 pressure acts to Wrights 12 is particularly damning

Meters gained hard to properly analyse because the AFL website doesn't define it anywhere. Is it raw, effective or net meters gained?

I want to see the retained meters gained for Pickett. Wheelo does seem to track it, you can see the season average for players, but I can't find it for individual games.

dude, don't back down just coz of some whacky Wheelo site. Stick to your eyes. Kozzie has been a poor user of the ball for at least a year now. He can become a good kick but he does everything at a million miles an hour and he often doesn't steady before kicking and that's where the poor kicks come from to me.

And that's just field kicking. He's missed about 3 basic snaps on goal from set shots that should be 90% kicked and he's kicked all of them thin. Real thin. Like stop kicking them thin dude. Make the adjustment.

 

[Keith Knox]

When the intensity is as low as it was yesterday, it kind of makes everything look awful but one thing I know beyond a certainty is that I never, ever, want to see king of the spuds Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

in the forward line again. I'm 99% sure I never want to see his ridiculous scone again in any context. I've reached my tipping point with this potato.

 

[Lord Nev]

An alternative take here to some (most)...

The other Demon I’ll single out is Koltyn Tholstrup. This is a young man still finding his way in the game, but today was undoubtedly the best performance of his young career. Playing mostly as a roaming half-back, Tholstrup gathered 22 disposals, with just two turnovers, had eight intercepts and four defensive rebounds. Efforts like that should ensure that Tholstrup remains firmly entrenched in Melbourne’s best 23 going forward, because he has all the tools to make himself a long-time AFL star.

Gather Round - Essendon v Melbourne... Live! - The Mongrel Punt

The Bombers chalked up their first win in 18 tries, running over the Dees at Adelaide Oval in Gather Round. Matt Oman was there to witness it

themongrelpunt.com

 

[Jamurp]

Bit of a weird few weeks. We were 40 odd down early against Carlton and looked shocking, incredibly lucky to end up winning despite a good effort, then a very good win against Gold Coast, and now a really bad loss to a bottom 4 Essendon.

Been some pretty shite footy amongst a really good performance against the Suns. We’re just not there yet, I still hope we don’t spend the next few years in bottom 6 wilderness though, wouldn’t mind challenging for 10th and a wildcard.