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I don't see the point of mocking the match committee in 2012.

Who would you have dropped to play Stevens and Swift?

Who would you have dropped to play Brown?

Who would you have dropped to play Lycett?

We're pushing for a flag, there's little need to develop our kids just for the sake of it, at the expense of the tried and tested first 22 players.
we couldnt have done much more, especially pressing for top 4.
i think stevens was stiff on a few occassions to not get a full game.

i remember a few times when teams came out thinking
"koby is going to be fuming!"

should have been in front of mcginnity, swift and newman on a few occassions,
but the MC proved right showing how good McGinnity was in the finals.

i take some solace in the fact brown is contracted and st kilda will need to pay overs to get him
 

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The fact that none of them were good enough to secure a spot in a team that didn't make a prelim probably tells you they aren't the stars that some on here rate them as.
Lynch did.

And Brown couldn't get a spot over Glass, MacKenzie and Schofield but he showed when he was called upon late in the season that he was definitely up to the task.
 

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So far this offseason, pretty much anyone that might have thought they'd have to fight to get a spot in the team next year has just bailed out. This is going massively tits up.
As disappointing as it is I'm not sure what we could do to prevent it though

Lynch, Stevens, Brown and Swift are all just outside the best 22 so there's no way we could guarantee them games and with the exception of Swift they are all looking to go to clubs that will give them that game time and likely on better money.
 

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The fact that none of them were good enough to secure a spot in a team that didn't make a prelim probably tells you they aren't the stars that some on here rate them as.
I certainly didn't rate any of them of stars, but having four people that were all very close to the starting team, and at worse important depth, leave within a couple of weeks leaves a bit of a hole in our list.

Our midfield is now shallow as hell, and with Brown going the defence will be equally as strife ridden. We're going to have do some very good work over the next few weeks to cover these holes.
 

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The part I don't understand is how other supporters in both this thread and the one on the drafts and trading board think they know our team better than we do.
 

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OK, so here's a question. You're all saying that he is going to replace Glass, but Glass doesn't play at FB on the "gorillas" any more, does he? Whereas Brown is more likely to be suited to FB from what I've seen (of he and Nathan Brown).

If that is the case, you really only need someone like say Tayte Pears, who could play that "3rd key defender" role that Glass seems to be playing. I reckon he'd be better at that than Brown anyway, wouldn't he? Whatever you get for Brown you could then on-trade to Essendon for Pears, if he is up for grabs, which I imagine he would be.

One thing is for sure and that is that if your recruiting staff are in any way competent, they will find someone else suitable by the end of trade week/s to replace Brown, if he does in fact leave. There are also some very good options looming in the draft that you could target to develop as back-up for Schofield, MacKenzie and Pears. You could also get someone from the state leagues to be immediate back-up for the next year or so, on top of Pears and whoever you get in the draft.

This "if we lose Brown we'll have no back-up" stuff shows very little faith in your recruiting staff.
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1) You have misread the role Glass plays - he an McKenzie take the 2 big forwards
2) Agree with your assessment of the way WC's team will operate if Brown leaves.
3) Brown is under contract and a "lucrative 3 yr deal" (read guarantee of regular games) does not equate to a 2nd round selection. Regardless of whether you agree of not, WC will be looking at a 1st rounder for Brown as a minimum, as they may need to us this pick to draft brown's replacement. They will communicate to Brown that they will 'attempt to do the trade' but if its isnt to their (WC's) liking then he will be at WC next year
 

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Unless we end up with pick 13 by trading Brown, I would just flat out refuse to trade him. He is contracted and very much required.

Furthermore, he seems to be the kind of bloke that would just cop it on the chin, put his head down and work harder.
 

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i hope this is a lesson to our match commitee who play players who are decent but wont improve. whats happening this trade period is a direct result of the conservative nature of our match commitee. dont expect lycett, shepherd and the like to stay to be backups.
i might have missed something here but players still have to earn a game dont they??If they want to stay then they need to play better in the WAFL.Lycett was drafted to replace cox when he retires,he knew that from the start.Im sure shepperd would be 1st picked in the team every week if he was our best player,right now he isnt.Hopefully the fact that he was drafted with such a high pick(wrongly i believe) hasnt filled his head with delusions of granduer
 

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If they didn't want to stay and fight, let 'em go.
i dont think thats the case. its amazing how different standards are applied to others than ones-self. I'm surprised brown lasted this long without opportunity. Personally would have been gone a year ago at least.
 

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They/we probably don't. But we don't have an emotional attachment to them which may distort our opinions.
Sure, being a West Coast supporter may affect our view on the trade value of Brown but that isn't the debate i was commenting on. Our emotions don't come into it when we say that Brown is the replacement for Glass.
 
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As Saints supporters, we know he's a tall back who's in and out of your side and wants to come to us. That's enough to get us excited, because we really, REALLY need tall backs (as everyone who follows the sport would know). But losing Cripps, a former (late) first rounder, is a big price, the idea that we'd also have to throw in a first rounder on top of that is an inconceivable price to pay for a player who - from our opinion - is surplus to requirements for your side. But considering in most deals tall players prove to be worth exceptionally high draft picks, (I remember us trading a first-rounder for Fergus Watts who, if you don't know who that is, is proving my point. Seriously, we ****ed that one up big time, but I digress.) we know that we'll have to throw in some steak knives.

So, Cripps + ? = Brown.
 

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i dont think thats the case. its amazing how different standards are applied to others than ones-self. I'm surprised brown lasted this long without opportunity. Personally would have been gone a year ago at least.
I do hear what you are saying, but there's 40-odd players on a list, half(ish) are going to miss out on selection every week. And in Brown's case, he was fighting for one or two positions, one an AA captain and the other who has developed more/been less injury prone over the journey. So he knows he will have to wait, in another year or two when Glass goes he's possibly straight in there. Or on the other hand, work harder to replace EMac, or the third option is work on another part of your game (i.e. there was talk of him playing forward again next season).

Maybe all this seemed too hard? Or maybe he wants to go home, who really knows!
 

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He's contracted for next season. If we don't reach a deal with St Kilda or another Victorian club is he going to move back and play amateurs for a season?
Yep he wants out , heard it this morning on 6PR . Eagles told him limited opportunities next season on Saturday made his mind up , I dont agree he should go but it is an opportunity to get home to family etc .
 

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As Saints supporters, we know he's a tall back who's in and out of your side and wants to come to us. That's enough to get us excited, because we really, REALLY need tall backs (as everyone who follows the sport would know). But losing Cripps, a former (late) first rounder, is a big price, the idea that we'd also have to throw in a first rounder on top of that is an inconceivable price to pay for a player who - from our opinion - is surplus to requirements for your side. But considering in most deals tall players prove to be worth exceptionally high draft picks, (I remember us trading a first-rounder for Fergus Watts who, if you don't know who that is, is proving my point. Seriously, we ****ed that one up big time, but I digress.) we know that we'll have to throw in some steak knives.

So, Cripps + ? = Brown.
Brown + what they get for Stevens (#27/28?) for Cripps and one of StK's 1st rounders - is where WC will start & probably finish
 
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