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Not sure there are many realistic targets that would solve all our problems. But Garlett is an elite talent and footskills and line-breaking ability are areas of relative weakness for our midfield. I could also see him playing most games next year and making an impact. I'd prefer him over Sheed at this point in time.
With his last 12 months - would you use a 1st round pick on him ? Do you think WC would take that risk?
 

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With his last 12 months - would you use a 1st round pick on him ? Do you think WC would take that risk?
Hard to say. I really don't know enough about his situation. Personally I believe and have heard it extends beyond a habit for alcohol and cigarettes but I can't really speculate to any great extent. He also doesn't seem to interview too well.

If I was satisfied that his behaviour wouldn't become a major issue I would happily pull the trigger (who wouldn't?). If our first pick ends up around #10 I would be comfortable with us overlooking someone like say, Sheed, for him. In terms of talent I think he would probably slot into the top 5 of this draft. The added appeal is he is relatively ready-made and could impact straight away.

It would be a ballsy move but I would do it, personally.
 

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Hard to say. I really don't know enough about his situation. Personally I believe and have heard it extends beyond a habit for alcohol and cigarettes but I can't really speculate to any great extent. He also doesn't seem to interview too well.

If I was satisfied that his behaviour wouldn't become a major issue I would happily pull the trigger (who wouldn't?). If our first pick ends up around #10 I would be comfortable with us overlooking someone like say, Sheed, for him. In terms of talent I think he would probably slot into the top 5 of this draft. The added appeal is he is relatively ready-made and could impact straight away.

It would be a ballsy move but I would do it, personally.
Reckon Mr Vozzo would have his balls served up to him on a plate if he did. Speculative choices like this aren't for single digit draft picks
 

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Reckon Mr Vozzo would have his balls served up to him on a plate if he did. Speculative choices like this aren't for single digit draft picks
Fair point. I guess it may just be a matter of how 'speculative' Garlett as a prospect is by November.

Garlett in the second round would be fantastic.
 

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Reckon Mr Vozzo would have his balls served up to him on a plate if he did. Speculative choices like this aren't for single digit draft picks
I agree, think a lot of clubs would hold this view. Suspect he will go in round two. Who do you think we might target with our first pick? Still a long way out so I understand it's all pretty speculative.
 
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With his last 12 months - would you use a 1st round pick on him ? Do you think WC would take that risk?
The question should be, with any player, not just Garlett, can they play footy? Understand the concern over behaviour by clubs, but you've got to have some faith in your mentors and structures that you can grow a person. I acknowledge it's a tough decision, but sometimes you've got to put your balls on the line if you want to improve.
 

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I agree, think a lot of clubs would hold this view. Suspect he will go in round two. Who do you think we might target with our first pick? Still a long way out so I understand it's all pretty speculative.
Hard to tell without knowing where we land.
Not many of the top end mids are exactly what we need.
Many of them are outside, which isn't any good for us ATM.
That's why Sheed is the obvious choice.
Tsitas and Crouch, Cripps, Merlo and Dumont are all worth consider.
Crouch and Sheed probably being at the top of our list for their inside play.
 

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The question should be, with any player, not just Garlett, can they play footy? Understand the concern over behaviour by clubs, but you've got to have some faith in your mentors and structures that you can grow a person. I acknowledge it's a tough decision, but sometimes you've got to put your balls on the line if you want to improve.
yep agreed you could go the" safe option" like shepperd in single digits or get a garlett who could really help the team
 

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Sheppard is a bad comparison. He was a slight reach in a weak and compromised draft.

If the gap in talent is that acute then by all means take Garlett in the first round. If it isn't then risk is to great.
 

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Sheppard is a bad comparison. He was a slight reach in a weak and compromised draft.

If the gap in talent is that acute then by all means take Garlett in the first round. If it isn't then risk is to great.
it was a weak draft but I really would have liked someone with a few more elite attributes.Having said that they have taken risks with a few picks and they haven't turned out
 

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I get the feeling that the whole in-depth investigation into our culture problems that the AFL instigated over the Cuz rumours has had a negative effect on our on field performance as well, by causing us to go for vanilla types over the flashy, more risk associated players. Obviously there are some drafts that are weaker than others, but it just seems to me that we have gone for good blokes first, good players second. I'd really like to say how it baffles me that a certain other club has not had the same sanctions thrown up against them including the disrepute charge and a QC investigating them, but i believe thats not allowed to be spoken about on here at the moment. Apologies if i have overstepped the mark.
 

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Hard to tell without knowing where we land.
Not many of the top end mids are exactly what we need.
Many of them are outside, which isn't any good for us ATM.
That's why Sheed is the obvious choice.
Tsitas and Crouch, Cripps, Merlo and Dumont are all worth consider.
Crouch and Sheed probably being at the top of our list for their inside play.
I hope we don't go for Crouch, despite his ball winning ability would like someone who is also damaging by foot.

 

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I get the feeling that the whole in-depth investigation into our culture problems that the AFL instigated over the Cuz rumours has had a negative effect on our on field performance as well, by causing us to go for vanilla types over the flashy, more risk associated players. Obviously there are some drafts that are weaker than others, but it just seems to me that we have gone for good blokes first, good players second. I'd really like to say how it baffles me that a certain other club has not had the same sanctions thrown up against them including the disrepute charge and a QC investigating them, but i believe thats not allowed to be spoken about on here at the moment. Apologies if i have overstepped the mark.
this is the cost we pay for being a leader and not part of the melbourne club

I do agree although Darling shows an intent.
 

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The question should be, with any player, not just Garlett, can they play footy? Understand the concern over behaviour by clubs, but you've got to have some faith in your mentors and structures that you can grow a person. I acknowledge it's a tough decision, but sometimes you've got to put your balls on the line if you want to improve.
the little bit of garlett I have seen on the ABC shows his ability. He looks to work hard.

He looks more a smaller forward than a mid. Is this so or is it a factor of age and fitness at this stage.

Coaches grow people - we should be well place to understand if he is coachable, you can not make a horse drink.
 

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The question should be, with any player, not just Garlett, can they play footy? Understand the concern over behaviour by clubs, but you've got to have some faith in your mentors and structures that you can grow a person. I acknowledge it's a tough decision, but sometimes you've got to put your balls on the line if you want to improve.
All can play footy - its just a matter of what they bring to the club (net value of +'ve less -'ve).

Recruiters don't operate in a vacuum. They are aware of what the head coaches style is like and subconsciously look for players that fit the characteristics. They also prefer footballers that fit the mould of what a footballer is supposed to be and anyone that falls outside these parameters can be discarded/ignored.

As someone with a bit of an idea of what happens in these situations - if a recruiter had a choice in the 1st round between Player A whose ceiling is lower but would give you 150 games at a B+ level or player B who would give you 30 games at an A+ level, 40 games at a B level and 80 games where he's a C at best, said recruiter would pick player A EVERY time.

Its why all teams passed on Darling in their 1st round picks and despite acknowledging he was a miss, they will almost certainly do the same thing again with a player like Garlett. Its more of a issue for a recruiter to miss a kid who turns out to be a gun, than to pick a dud in the 1st round. 1st rounds picks are just too important to get right.
 

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With his last 12 months - would you use a 1st round pick on him ? Do you think WC would take that risk?

Bond 007 I'am hearing yes WCE would be prepared to take that risk.
It just depends on where the club thinks other clubs think he will go.
At this stage there is thought he is second round.
 

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Bond 007 I'am hearing yes WCE would be prepared to take that risk.
It just depends on where the club thinks other clubs think he will go.
At this stage there is thought he is second round.
I would be happy with going with a 2nd round pick for him.

Do you have any inkling as you who we would go for a first round?
 

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this is the cost we pay for being a leader and not part of the melbourne club

I do agree although Darling shows an intent.
Darling is a good example IMO that you need to have a bit of mongrel in you to do well at aggression related sports such as footy. I'm not a big fan on judging players on what they do off field (within reason), but more of what they can bring to the club in terms of winning games. Obviously they still need to be able to take direction and work with thier teammates, but we dont want choirboys who are too afraid to win the contest.
 

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Bond 007 I'am hearing yes WCE would be prepared to take that risk.
It just depends on where the club thinks other clubs think he will go.
At this stage there is thought he is second round.
was this before season started when our first pick was going to be like 14-18, possibly even higher dependant on priority picks/compos/free agency or now, where it looks like it could well be top 10?

i think noone argues garlett has talent. everyone knows it. everyone knew it last year. clearly, ALL clubs thought he wasnt worth it. its not like anyone is surprised at how well he is doing.

people talk about club sorting a player out as though clubs are miracle makers. they arent. what can they do? i mean seriosuly, deep down, what can they do if he wants to get pissed etc? people this far out of control dont give a shite.
 
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The more I read of this, the more I think of the Crazy/Hot scale from How I met your mother
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We shall call it the Talent/Personality scale:
If a players talent outweighs potential personality flaws, then it may make sense to draft them, as opposed to an individual with a better personality, yet noticeably less talent. With that said, I'm personally hoping we manage to snare Sheed with our 1st pick and Gartlett slides to our second rounder/Pick we get for Brown/ Whatever.
 

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I'd have no problems taking Garlett first round, especially if we only had a late first round pick somehow. Extremely talented, and I think we have learnt a lot in the past about player support, and given I assume we know his shortcomings that we can provide a support structure that will get the best out of him. We have about a bazillion people on staff, after all.
 

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Can we please offload Mckenzie at last?? If not seeing him impersonate a footballer against Pav last year was enough, tonight we saw once again how a road cone would make a formidable opponent against opposition.
 
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